Jul 16, 2020, 10:34
"Crazy that by the end of this week, we will probably officially be in the top 5 in the world"
We just overtook Spain to number 8th position.... and we are only just 26 675 cases behind number 5th spot.....
We are not wasting any time...…. straight to number 6th spot
My calc's say another 3 days before we crack 5th, but we South Africans overachieve in the stupidest of things..., so it might even be sooner.
I agree Draad, that has to be a pretty close and accurate assessment
My own sums predicted that we would hit 329 154 cases by the 31st July.... boy was I way off
Then it's a small break, whilst we gather our momentum to chase Russia down in 4th place.
To think that our "peak" has not even arrived yet......
Well 5th we are...watch out Russia, here we come.
I think the Western Cape is just past the peak...our curve looks different than the rest...but it's a bit early to say for sure.
What is crystal clear though is that our government is doing a bizarrely poor job at curbing this. It almost look like they are making a deliberate effort to make things worse and profiteer from the chaos.
Evil bastards. The taxpayers and middleclass almost being targeted by stupid regulations while the taxis run rampant in spreading the virus...looks like deliberate incompetence.
Yep, it didn't take long at all..... Russia, here we come
If anything, what this has shown most people around the world, is the complete lack of anything good or decent.... that this government has done for it's people.. since they took power over 20 years ago.
It has also put a huge magnifying glass onto the utter corrupt nature of the ANC
I genuinely feel for the disadvantaged people of SA.... those without a voice...…. but at the same time, I wonder in amazement why the "people" who can actually say and do something, would willingly still continue to vote to keep them in control... all the time..... the fear of the past must be incredible, which is so sad
Proof that actual brainwashing is a reality.
"Proof that actual brainwashing is a reality."
Very much alive and well in Sunny South Africa
Let's hope, that as a country, we can perform like our national cricket side often does, and not chase down this big target
William Saunderson-Meyer says the President's weaknesses have been mercilessly exposed by the epidemic
JAUNDICED EYE
Covid may be set to claim its biggest victim
Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro contracted Covid-19 last week.
He joins a select albeit unfortunate international club: the prime ministers of Britain, Russia and Guinea-Bissau; the president of Honduras; a sprinkling of cabinet ministers and top politicians in virtually every country in the world; and a brace of blue bloods, the princes Charles of Wales and Albert of Monaco. President Donald I-don't-wear-masks Trump has, so far, escaped infection, to the rue of at least half of the world that has been secretly holding thumbs.
None of these leaders has succumbed. The biggest casualty, so far, has been the dented pride of Bolsonaro, who finds himself laid low by a virus that he denies exists.
Astonishingly, given that the assembled ranks of this African National Congress administration’s Cabinet look like a medical poster for dangerous comorbidities like obesity, none aside from Mineral Resources & Energy Minister Gwede Mantashe has contracted the virus. The explanation no doubt lies in their abstemious habits as regards alcohol and tobacco. (Oh, for those halcyon days when a previous health minister would bribe the nurses to smuggle her bottles of whisky while she lay recovering from a liver transplant necessitated by her fondness for the demon drink.)
There is, however, one top South African fatality potentially lined up. It’s President Cyril Ramaphosa himself.
Not a medical casualty, but a political one. After a promising start by the president when the pandemic first surfaced, Ramaphosa’s performance is, at last, coming under some critical examination.
After scoring a perfect 10 from commentators for speed out of the blocks and initial form, Ramaphosa's execution has tapered off and his administration has flailed around the pandemic. Sluggish, unfocused, ineffectual, and erratic, are all adjectives that spring to mind to describe the president.
Admittedly, the crowds still love him. Polls consistently show Ramaphosa to be one of the most highly regarded leaders by the voters, anywhere in the world. A recent News24 poll of 52,000 readers scored him 7.34 out of 10 for his handling of the Covid outbreak.
But internally, within the African National Congress and its alliance, it's not so rosy. It's obvious that despite two and half years in power, he has still not managed to stamp his authority over the Zuma-remnants. On the contrary, the pandemic has emboldened them — with an additional 3m unemployed since the March lockdown, the populist and racist mantras espoused by the fascists in the Economic Freedom Fighters and the hard-left in the ANC will likely find a ready electoral ear.
During the past four months of the pandemic, some of his Cabinet ministers have been overt in their disdain towards Ramaphosa, especially Police Minister Bheki Cele and the president's arch-rival, Co-operative Affairs & Governance Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma.
The president has been forced into humiliating flip-flops on cigarette bans and alcohol sales, wilting like an errant schoolboy before the imperious school ma’am, Dlamini-Zuma. At least, on health issues such as these, he can portray his weakness as evidence of an admirable openness to persuasion by expert opinion.
However, no such rationalisation is possible when it comes to his reflexive bending of the knee to Cele, the Cat in the Hat police minister, and the other securocrats. He has faced repeated challenges and each time he has backed down.
At the very start of the lockdown, Ramaphosa called on the military to treat citizens with respect, compassion and humility. “This is not a skop, skiet en donder [kick, shoot and beat] moment,” he told them.
The put-down came within hours from Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula. “It will only be skop, skiet en donder when circumstances determine that,” she said. “For now, we’re a constitutional democracy.”
Cele — who also overruled Ramaphosa ally Health Minister Zweli Mkhize on whether outside exercise would be allowed and later bizarrely decreed that motorists without till slips for their cigarettes would be arrested — speaks in similarly belligerent tones. With this overt encouragement of the defence and police ministers, the security forces have been predictably heavy handed in their enforcement of lockdown.
Consequently, there have been more than a dozen alleged deaths and close on 500 complaints of security force violence. Yet Ramaphosa has never unambiguously denounced their behaviour. Contrast this silent complicity to the speed with which he publicly supported the #BlackLivesMatter protests, following the death of George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis cop.
One can find examples of Ramaphosa’s timidity in virtually every area of his presidency. In law enforcement, there have been many presidential reassurances but as yet no high-profile arrests or prosecutions. In fact, he continues to tolerate in his inner circle several men and women implicated in state capture and corruption.
Appeasement, or social compacting as he would describe it, is the presidential watchword. Ramaphosa does not have the appetite for the kind of confrontation with the unions and the SA Communist Party that is necessary to close the national airline, secure alternative power generation, fire the crooks and fools that run most of the state-owned entities, and slash the public service wage bill.
Instead, he has let his Finance Minister Tito Mboweni do all the running on these issues, with the president taking a very silent backseat. How long Mboweni will be able to persist in his lonely battle is not clear. The end of the road may be near for him, too.
It is remarkable, then, how resilient has been media regard for Ramaphosa. It’s been a cosy political honeymoon, with the press doe-eyed before his charm. Even when the failures have become too glaring to gloss over, blame has accrued to his ministers but not him, the man who appointed them.
With Covid mercilessly highlighting the Ramaphosa administration’s ineptitude, this may, at last, be changing. Despite a lockdown to “buy time” to prepare for pandemic deaths, aside from the opposition-governed Western Cape, the preparations of the provinces have been disastrously poor.
Ramaphosa’s weaknesses are being mercilessly exposed. The most recent group to give his policies the up-yours — and see him immediately back down — has been the minibus taxi industry on the issues of passenger loading and interprovincial travel.
For Daily Maverick’s veteran commentator Ferial Haffajee, the final straw appears to have been the resumption of load shedding. She writes this week: “[It] is like an X-ray revealing the weaknesses of Ramaphosa’s presidency and his inability to deliver on his promises, no matter how well-meaning his intentions … No matter his greatest intentions and personal popularity, Ramaphosa presides over a broken state and patronage circles continue to expand.”
Business Day columnist Peter Bruce, who patiently endured vitriolic abuse for his support of a tactical vote by opposition voters for Ramaphosa in the past general election, is similarly disenchanted. He writes this week: “Ramaphosa’s ability to deftly finesse even the difficult trade-offs seems to have deserted him during this crisis. His government’s handling of the Covid-19 pandemic has been a lurch from one bumble to the next.”
“He may believe he is ‘standing with’ security and health hawks in Cabinet, but he may, in fact, be merely appeasing them, and for the first time I have begun to wonder whether, in fact, he will, in the aftermath of this crisis, be able to hold onto leadership of the party.”
I think Bruce is probably right. As I’ve written previously in this column, while it may be true Ramaphosa is the only person in the ANC who could save SA, his fear of the almighty internecine battle that such a rescue would entail, means that he won’t. He simply doesn't have the courage or the energy.
His enemies, the Zuma-ites in his Cabinet and on his national executive committee, circle him with hostile intent. To defeat them, he would probably have to split the ANC.
But Ramaphosa’s one consistency, amply illustrated during the pandemic, has been his willingness to put party before country. That’s unlikely to change now.
Ramaphosa will either go meekly — another early recall — or continue to lead timorously.
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Admittedly it's clear the ANC are corrupt and have stolen tons. No doubt a good few high up the present tier are also corrupt as hell. Ace is basically an out-in-the-open gangster at this point.
However...
There is a hella ton of work being done and services provided for the people. I'm partially involved in the public works field. As a result, I keep right on top of all the institutional and infrastructural work going on at any given time in SA.
In terms of COVID, they are presently building clusters of field hospitals around the country and in the most remote locations too. They're running only O2 to the hospital beds and pushing hard to get the work completed ASAP.
The ANC shoot themselves in the foot here. Government should be marketing their achievements a lot more than simply having a website that nobody visits. If they spent a tiny fraction of their budget on letting people know what's actually going on, public confidence would be way up. Confidence in both personal and economic senses.
Not to be too sentimental but I've visited sites where I had to drive 100kms through the mountains and on a dirt road to a remote cluster of villages. Nobody hears about the new school and clinic recently constructed there. One can't imagine how much it means to the people there.
I encounter more and more young black professionals that are way ahead of their older counterparts in terms of qualification and ability. No doubt most of them vote ANC. It must be mentioned that the coming wave of young people in the ANC are leaps and bounds ahead of oupa and ouma freedom fighter.
The downside is that all this infrastructure is being created on tick and it's future generations that will be left paying the piper. Let's hope they are able to.
I do agree with some of your points Plum, very valid indeed
The main issue for me is this...… with what the ANC have had at their disposal, since they took over, they have been abysmal in the grand scheme of things..... and by that I mean if even 50% of the money that was available over all this time, was used and directed to the correct areas for upliftment..... for the greater good of all South Africans, we would see a significant improvement, even today... by far.
State hospitals, clinics, are all basically disgusting places to visit, never mind go to, for medical reasons..... Water, Electricity.... nationally all under immense pressure due to little or not enough maintenance....no expertise....
Last year, the one main metro.... needed over 100 plumbers either in direct employ, or on the books, to service it's massively deteriorating infrastructure.......they officially had 2
More than 75% of our national municipalities are totally bankrupt.... and what has been done..... zero.
This next example below, happened just last week, and it made my blood boil, because this whole motorbike issue had made the national and international news for how utterly hilarious and ridiculous it was, that the EC minister of health was going to spend this much money on massively over inflated motorbike transport, in some under handed deal.
Check what her excuse is in this article...… after she herself had made the decision to approve this purchase, but she then got questioned by this purchase by other political parties before it got ratified..... just look at this longtime utilised excuse.... no surprise
Also, if you are involved in public works, you should be well versed on the national agreement with SMME's...… which basically equates to gangsters determining who gets what portion of what work is being done, at massively inflated pricing, for increased public spending.....for doing absolutely nothing..... nothing at all..
Then, try and tell them that you are keeping the work in-house, or that it is sub-contracted to some other nearby contractor or supplier which is actually cheaper or has proven skilled labour.... they threaten to kill you and your families..... burn down your premises or residence......or... as is the one case in the Eastern Cape, just assassinate the one SMME leader who posted the money all over Facebook, that he has just been given by a contractor
Another question...… why do black families have 4-8 kids, knowing full well that they cannot support or sustain themselves..... then they move to a very remote area in the country, set up residence, and then demand running water, electricity, schools .... whilst hardly contributing anything towards the country.
Even today, black families are on average 4 or more people to a household..... meaning direct family members.... not relatives...., and no other race does this in South Africa, on the same level of numbers that the blacks do.... not even close.
Most elderly black folk will tell you why they have, and still do have so many children....and the absolute truth is.... they have a lot of kids, so that they, the adults..... can be looked after in their old age, by their large number of children.... this is a fact.
I absolutely agree with the schools in the very rural areas not being recognised by the general public, which it should be..... but I would then also ask, why has that been done, yet the more needed resources for schools in built up urban areas, have been left in total ruins......
These are just some questions or frustrations that I see on a daily basis.
Until the ANC acts decisively to stop corruption and bring corrupt officials to justice, they will remain an organized crime institution as far as I am concerned. A few good deeds can't paper over the millions of cracks. Almost no municipality in the country gets a clean audit, they owe Eskom hundreds of millions each, but nothing ever gets done. The same corrupt fucks stay in charge year in and year out. This type of thing makes it hard to fall for the window dressing offered by small achievements.
So bloody tru e Pakie
Classic examples below, in the news... just today
Black individuals have created another informal settlement, and they have proceeded to steal the electricity from the very same people, who have waited years for their own RDP houses, with electricity.....
See article here:
"“Our area is four years old. It has about 600 occupied shacks. All those households share four communal taps and 14 chemical toilets."
What the hell do they expect?.... these illegal informal settlements pop up every single day around South Africa..... and the government can't even finalise the basic necessities for settlements that have been around for 20 years already, never mind newly created ones now.
Then this articles:
A clinic with no proper electricity or water...… for 10 months
"A staff member, who spoke to us on condition that he not be named, said they have to drive 10km to fetch water in buck ets to use at the clinic.
He also complained that the clinic only had one pit toilet with separate entrances for men and women. Patients and nurses use the same toilet."
“There has been no electricity at the clinic since last September. In the morning the wards are dark making it very difficult for us to execute duties. We have to make fire outside to make tea,” added another staff member"
Why is nothing ever done, at all.... to whoever is in charge of these respective areas or organisations?
As I said, if you want to create some far away isolated community, why moan when you have to walk 10km for water...…. but, at the same time, who in their right mind in the government, would authorise and build a clinic, only to not provide decent, stable electricity and water supply...… and make the people walk 10km for water...…
It's seriously fucked up
How is this..... for epic inadequacy..... in the news last week
The pinnacle of corruption and mismanagement of funds.... how much worse must it get , for anyone at all to act......including our president.
33 people are implicated in the missing R870 million, and yet 6 months after these findings were finalised and released by a forensic auditing company, to the municipality and the results made fully available..... not one single person has even been disciplined...... never mind criminally charged.
This astounds me..... even in these times like now, where we are almost immune to hearing this on a daily basis
I agree with both of you. Corruption is allowed to perpetuate and it's frightening to consider how much money has been stolen from citizens. You'll find no argument from me there.
The problem is that institutional facilities are run by people local to the area. When you find a school with no electricity or hospital with no gas, it's very rarely because the government hasn't sufficiently subsidised the facility. More often than not it's because the person running the place treats the subsidy like it's his/her paycheck. Driving a big black Merc on a dirt road for 30km to the tiny school or clinic they run. I've personally seen that scenario more times than I care to remember.
Really it's a lack of oversight. And also the fact that people doing the overseeing are on the take since they're in cahoots with school principals and hospital managers.
I have a family member that runs an innercity school in JHB. When I say inner-city I mean...fucking downtown JHB. And the school runs brilliantly, they always have the money to pay their bills and have a very high pass rate. No special treatment or extra sum is given to them and they get the job done. My guess is that the same is possible for most of the facilities around the country with money that government provides to them.
All i'm saying is, there are lot of school principals buying Range Rovers and government can only be blamed in part for that.
"More often than not it's because the person running the place treats the subsidy like it's his/her paycheck. Driving a big black Merc on a dirt road for 30km to the tiny school or clinic they run. I've personally seen that scenario more times than I care to remember."
"All i'm saying is, there are lot of school principals buying Range Rovers and government can only be blamed in part for that."
Totally spot on Plum, hence why I posed this question earlier...
"Why is nothing ever done, at all.... to whoever is in charge of these respective areas or organisations?"
This, I do specifically blame the government for..... you cannot just keep issuing public funds out, without ever monitoring or following up on how and what those funds are getting used for and spent on..... that is precisely why the provincial and national ministers are in place, as well as their detailed provincial teams for Health, Education, Security, Tourism, Trade, Transport ….. and hundreds of other local and national portfolios
Hell, each one of these provincial portfolios have their own COO, Director general....assistants, directors etc etc who then report t o their national bodies.... somebody has to be accountable when R870 million goes missing and nothing has been done after 6 months of receiving the outcome of 33 individuals who were involved, to make one example
They should be following up on where the money is going to, what is getting built, in which areas.... who are the recipients of these financial benefits, grants, subsidies........
It's a free for all..... literally and figuratively...…..
It's rude to ask uncomfortable questions.
"It's rude racist to ask uncomfortable questions."
Fixed
DA,
Try this one on for size.
About six years back I meet an early twenties QS that was working for the DBSA. Guy was terrible at his job.
A year later he rings me up. Says he's just started his own construction company, been nominated on a five project cluster and wants to nominate us to carry out some of the works.
Total value of the five projects - R1.1 billion.
I'm on very friendly terms with the consultants that oversaw the work. After six months it became clear the construction company was entirely incompetent. Despite ongoing efforts to have them removed, it took two years for the DBSA to cancel the contracts.
And then the kicker...
When the five projects went back out to tender, guess who got invited to price?
Yep, the same company that got kicked off site.
Three of the projects ended up being scrapped and the final two were eventually completed last year by a different company.
Reading between the lines, it's corruption at the DBSA which drives this type of thing.
The funny thing is that even if the guy subcontracted out all the projects in their entirety, he'd still have made no less that R50 million and then been able to do more public work in future.
For me, I'm looking at closing out some of our long term contracts by the end of this year and then getting out of SA.
That is, if the US economy doesn't collapse, which I think is going to happen.
Word is, the coming collapse will dwarf that of 2007/8.
Yeah Plum, that does not surprise me at all
I have seen municipal tenders go to the company who is R10 - 15 million more expensive
Nothing gets done about it at all
I have personally witnessed high ranking officials "requesting" (demanding) loan / courtesy / company vehicles... for their own personal private use, on the pretense that they need it for them to be "able" to travel and monitor the progress of a project....
These SMME's though, are just something else ...….. created purely to "provide" or generate income to previously disadvantaged communities, yet they know absolutely fuck all about how the job is done, how to price the job / tender..... what skills are necessary, what budget needs to be provided.... what timeframe to work on..... what materials are needed
They do not care at all about who is doing the work, as long as they get a portion or percentage....
If they were knowledgeable and skilled, I would say that it is a great initiative, to keep the labour and work amongst the local people... but no ways
If they don't get any work on a local project, they will threaten, disrupt, attack, vandalise, burn down... anything, and any property.... to get their way..
Much like the taxi guys always do
Check this one Plum.... in the news yesterday
How is this allowed...?
Who authorises this to happen... under their watch, and why are they both not disciplined?
She clearly reports to someone at a national level who signed off this expense
It's a fucking farce.... "not enough sunlight entering the house"
All taxpayers should band together and start withholding taxes...fat chance of that happening though.
Correct Draad
The one sad part about being white.....and it's a fact
We seldom ever stand together as a majority or as a joint collective force...… against anything that we feel very strongly about
I would also hope that the black tax payers would stand alongside the whites.... it would be interesting to see
Local communities need to protest against corrupt people in their community.
It baffles me. In most townships in JHB, if a criminal is caught, it's a matter seconds before people with petrol and matches turn up to crisp him.
...but if a school principal turns up in a brand new Range Rover while the school has no electricity, nobody cares.
"Local communities need to protest against corrupt people in their community"
Fully agree, the problem is, is that most communities don't even know what has been allocated and provided specifically for them.....
They don't see how much money was provided and to whom...... so half a school goes up, and they are told... that's all for now folks, but it's a start.... and you can see we are trying our best and getting somewhere.......... we are just waiting for more funding to come through for you...… it's apartheid's fault... don't shoot the messenger people
Meanwhile the money was moved to the headmaster's sister's daughter's account, to be spent on the entire extended family....
Some are stupid enough to buy that new R ange Rover, and flash it around, but most are just too "cleva" now...… some just can't help it
Nobody comes from the MEC's office to see the end project.... the built school..... nobody follows up, as is their job... to ensure that the public funds that were allocated to this region, went to the correct area and operation... nobody questions a thing......
I have seen just as much as you have Plum, if not more....and it sickens me.....but remember.... it's also a huge status symbol to have a BMW parked outside of a 2 - 3 room shack, to illustrate your success.... rather ride in style.....and display your "wealth" to your community..... but live with the occasional floods by living in that same shack..... or fighting for your RDP house for 10 years... looting, rioting… blockading roads.... and then renting that same RDP house out for R7 500 a month as soon as it is handed over to you..... and staying in that same shack that you have been crying about for the last 10 years...….
Yep.... seen it all
You must see the PPE the schools issue...I suspect similar BS...
"You must see the PPE the schools issue...I suspect similar BS..."
Nothing unusual.... the ANC making profit off the misery of others again....
Much like the food parcels and the "door to door survey"
It has become hilarious, because now every little issue is making the news for a change
Look, I'm glad I finally quit smoking about 2 and a half years ago...but the ban on tobacco products instantly made criminals of about 11 million South Africans...and the alcohol ban added a few million more I suspect. Look, I get that these products create more than just a few social and health problems, but it also gives a livelihood for thousands (if not millions) of South Africans, taken away by a one-sided decision by an uncaring wasteful government....not to mention the massive tax contributions by these sectors...stupidest...nonsensical reasoning ever.
The time has come for all South Africans to start seriously protesting these draconian imbeciles running the country. The cANCerous vermin should all be kicked out. Their reign needs to stop ASAP. I see they want pension funds to bail out SAA again. They won't stop before they've destroyed everything. Enough is enough!
So its once again illegal to consume booze & tobacco ? Dagga must now be the Republic's no.1 recreational drug, of hoe?
"I'm glad I finally quit smoking about 2 and a half years ago"
Well done, I am now 2 years exactly
The "cANCerous vermin" cannot be stopped if the very same stupid people vote them in all the time.... it really doesn't matter how many protests there are, but yes, I completely agree with you..... but I just think that the concern and hatred of what apartheid brought, of which a lot of it is justified, this prevents people from voting the correct people in
Netso. I can get by without it. I have enough wine and beer to last a while and when it's finished...no skin off my back...but the poor people dependent on income from the industry is heartbreaking.
Imagine your way of making a living is suddenly deemed undesirable and suspended indefinitely...four months already....without any help from the government...even the aid is being looted by the scum.
I am very angry at what's going on ATM. I see a real revolution coming...one I will suppose the best I can.
"The "cANCerous vermin" cannot be stopped if the very same stupid people vote them in all the time...."
Unfortunately so, but we should somehow start "defending" ourselves by withholding taxes or something. They are destroying everything and even the opposition is playing at petty politics and electioneering rather than presenting workable alternatives and resistance. There is increasing talk of Western-Cape-Exit, but they will never get close to getting the votes....and even if, then what?
One gets the feeling that the whole process of transformation is predominantly about economic balancing. IE whites cede wealth.
The problem for most average people being that the process has and will take too long. Land changing hands takes time. Whites apparently own most of the land in SA.
Assuming that is the case, how does this sound?
A land exchange rate is negotiated on the basis of whites ceding much of their land but being allowed to get their own share of land together and in an area of their choosing.
SA = 1,220,000 Km2
Whites own = 878,400Km2
White population in SA = 9%
The Indian population, who are also settlers = 2.5%
Other 0.5%
Total =12%
12% of SA's = 146 400Km2
This would be prior to negotiating a higher percentage as a result of the amount of land being handed over from whites to blacks.
Negotiating up...
+5% = 207Km2
+ 10% = 268,400Km2
NOTE; The mixed-race population are excluded on the basis of being part naturally African. However, they're also European and should be allowed to decide on which side they fall.
Adding in the mixed race community 268,400Km2 + 8.0%...
292,872Km2 which is just under 1/4 of SA's landmass.
For reference, here are the sizes population and population densities of some countries.
France 551,695Km2 Pop 65M Population Density - 118km2
Germany 357,168Km2 Pop 82M Population Density - 232km2
Spain 505,990Km2 Pop 65M Population Density - 92km2
The proposition above puts SA at...
292,287Km2 Pop 12M Population Density 41Km2
Even if the ANC don't agree to such an arrangement, it may be an appealing prospect for another party to run on.
The draw being that land will be in people's hands sooner rather than later.
Yes, I'm well aware that this is likely apartheid 2.0.
And yes, I understand the perils of separatist movements.
What one can't ignore is that it is a solution of sorts for the present economic imbalance that SA faces. One that goes directly to a theme Ramaphosa raised at the outset of his presidency. That of the original sin and economic transformation.
"I see a real revolution coming"
Same, and I thoroughly welcome it
For the incredibly stupid people like Beeno, please take the time to read this short article on what Covid-19 did to this family recently, in Natal
Don't ever try and convince me that this is just the flu, and that it is nothing at all to be concerned about, as our resident infectious disease specialist would lead us to believe
This is very real.... its a reality.... and it's in our own back yard.
"It seems Beeno has disappeared from this thread. The same clown that said COVID was fake news..."
Yeah Sharkie, I noticed this a while ago, when he said that I was too lazy to get my facts straight on this particul ar topic....
It is astoundingly clear now regarding who actually got their faculties fucked up...…
Calling him a clown is being extremely polite..