Crash goes scumbag John Dingell and Cloudy Clown!

My GUESS is this evvl man vs looking up but we shall have to see.

DETROIT (ChurchMilitant.com) - Democrats and a handful of Republicans are piling on President Trump for suggesting that deceased Michigan Rep. John Dingell, a self-identified Catholic, may be "looking up" from Hell.

At a campaign rally in Battle Creek on Wednesday night, Trump slammed Rep. Debbie Dingell, who took her husband's seat in Congress after his 2015 retirement, for voting for impeachment.(MORE ABOUT THAT)

"Debbie Dingell, that's a real beauty," the president quipped, recalling that he gave her husband an "A-plus" memorial after his death in February: "She calls me up: 'It's the nicest thing that's ever happened. Thank you so much. John would be so thrilled. He's looking down. He'd be so thrilled. Thank you so much, sir.' I said, 'That's OK, don't worry about it.'" 

"Maybe he's looking up, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe," the president joked. "But let's assume he's looking down."(Nah Donald you are too generous as usual)

On Thursday, Democrats trumpeted indignation at the president for his "shocking" and "hurtful" comment.

They failed to note that on Oct. 12, 2016, in the lead-up to the election, Congressman Dingell tweeted: "Please take two running jumps and go to hell, Mr. Trump."

John Dingell Retweeted Andrew Lawrence

On behalf of so many of my fellow veterans: Please take two running jumps and go to hell, Mr. Trump.

Dingell was the longest-serving lawmaker in Congress, having spent 59 years on Capitol Hill. The Dearborn Democrat was extremely influential, celebrated for his work on Medicare, civil rights and the environment.

He was also a relentless promoter of the Culture of Death. 

In his six decades in Congress, Dingell blocked pro-life protections for the unborn, advanced embryonic stem cell research, fought for federal funding for contraception, voted against restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions and voted against a ban on federal health coverage that includes abortion.

Before stepping down in 2015, he voted against the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, which would have banned abortions after 20 weeks — the point at which the unborn can feel pain as they're suctioned or poisoned to death. 

The congressman's backing for abortion was so egregious he was rated "100% pro-abortion" by the National Right to Life Committee. 

In his final years in the House of Representatives, Dingell also embraced LGBT ideology, co-sponsoring in 2013 the Respect for Marriage Act, which would have federally recognized same-sex "marriages." 

On Thursday, Dingell's like-minded colleagues lambasted Trump for implying that Dingell is damned. 

2020 Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden took to Twitter to hail Dingell as "a patriot," adding that Trump's joke was "cruel" and "pathetic."

It is "beyond unconscionable that our President would behave this way," said Biden.

Well Trump generously concluded that this scumbag would be looking down so they are wrong on simple fact. The possvbvlty of this exceedingly evil man being in Heaven are remote. Unless there was a late repentance etc.

Cloudy Clown of course shamed again. 

Cloudy Clown of course ducked the Windpomp's challenge to provide context to President trump's comments after she had called Trump a loathsome human being. Cloudy Clown just loves Crooked Hillary who supports abortion up to term. What does the death of 63 million unborns in the USA matter! Supporting LGBT is great too in her eyes.

But oaks it gets worse for the demonrats:

As House Democrats prepare to unleash a full-court impeachment press on President Trump, Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Mich., claimed she was put under “enormous” pressure to change her stance and support the impeachment inquiry.

“I Was One Of The Most Recent People To Come Out Under [An] Enormous Amount Of Pressure,” Dingell Told “CNN Newsroom.” “I Was The Focus Of Ads By Both Tom Steyer And Moveon.Org, But I Was Worried About How Divided The Country Is. And Frankly, We’re Continuing To See How Divided [It Is]. Though, You Can’t Be Divided On [The] Rule Of The Law.”

Related: Putin reacts to sham impeachment,expose real reason corrupt democrats voted for Trump’s impeachment

Trump lawyers however have launched a full scale investigation into impeachment by house democrats to verify its legality,No crime was committed by the president,the whole drama is a stage play to hide whats backstage,the cover ups can only last but for a while,the swamp is getting drained….

How one can even think it's fine to abort after 20 weeks of gestation is absolutely sick.

Disgusting actually.

I'm all for contraception. Hell, I'm even for forced contraception in certain circumstances - heroin addicts, extreme hereditary diseases, 100% chance of infection of viral diseases like HIV, mental retardation and so on.

I have a niece that was born 3 months premature. She needed a lot of medical care but is now 32 years old, strong and healthy. She was a small human, even at three months early, and to think people rate it's fine to just have flushed her. Makes me angry actually.

Plum the pro abortionist lobby has also admitted they are losing the battle. Could be the USA etc is slowly returning to law and order and sanity.

But you get trans men suing beauty pageants cause they can't be contestants. A UK court said there were not two genders.and trans men insist they can use girls bathroom and participate in female sport. Still a way to go.

Our resident pervs and abortion advocates will feel very depressed.

Uncontrolled abbortion regardless of term is Evil. You either oppose Evil or you embrace it. You can't have both. It's time people wake up to the stuff they endorse in the name of "The Greater Good".

If you are voting for any politician endorsing late term abortion, you are endorsing it too and have blood on your hands.

It's a simple choice.

In a recent interview on TV an ex-Tampa Bay NFL'er stated that more black abortions are performed in NY than black children born in the state.

Cannot get my head around how this or any abortion can be happen in 2019, in the USA or anywhere.

Agree with Plum on the contraception statement.

Something must and has to be done to stop this MURDER of innocent children.

Speak up folks be vocal and active do not support murder of infants in any form.

AJ you won't hear much from our resident pervs unfortunately. 

...Bean Brain can one of you Trump dummies explain why abortion is legal in Israel....are'nt they God's chosen people acc ording to the Bible....it's obviously an evil practice so are God's chosen people the Israelis evil...

Brycie...deflecting much?

Sure Brycy, I'll explain...

After you explain why you are happy to see democracy being shat upon simply because you don't like a single person. 

Which is the bigger evil here? Trump on the one hand or on the other hand, the corrupt media, resurgence of communism, censorship of free speech, misuse of state entities...all with the aim of undermining democracy. You stand for democracy, right?

When America sneezes the rest of the world catches a cold. How any reasonable person can put their personal dislike of one person ahead of all the above is what you need to explain. Especially in the context of its potential to influence the rest of the world.

This isn't about Trump. It's about what his presidency has exposed. 

Surely you have realised that by now?

.....USA's biggest ally Israel practices abortion, so why don't the Trump dummies attack them ?? ....are they too chicken shit.....do they do abortions any differently in Israel....the end result is obviously the same....stop evading the question Trump dummies...

Yeah.

Avoiding the obviously pertinent point tells us that you know exactly how indefensible your position is.

...maybe Bean Brain can tell us why God's chosen people practice abortion...

Er Bricy this news may not have reached NZ but abortion is legal in the US and Israel. So why would Trump attack them? Is this some kind of new fangled NZ logic?

"Dec 22, 2019, 23:38

.....USA's biggest ally Israel practices abortion, so why don't the Trump dummies attack them ??....are they too chicken shit.....do they do abortions any differently in Israel....the end result is obviously the same....stop evading the question Trump dummies..."

I would like to challenge you in the same way that I did Cloudy.

Are you going to add the context or do you want me to do it for you?

I would like to add something, though. How do you, as a New Zealander, feel about abortion, compared to what the Dems and pro-choice campaign would like to see happen in the USA? Who do you, as a New Zealander, support in this issue, the pro-life side or the pro-choice side?

Hint. I would suggest you refer to the USA pro-life stance, the USA pro-choice stance, Israeli abortion position as well as the New Zealand abortion position.

See? Not as simple as asking a simple trolling question like "...so why don't the Trump dummies attack them (sic)??...." now, is it?

Once you have considered all four positions above, I would like to see you choose between the Pro-life and Pro-choice sides in the USA. In other words, who do you side with? The Pro-choice side, which is probably as far left as you can go on this issue, the Israeli position, which is very much in with many of the Western countries or the New Zealand model which is almost directly in line with the Pro-life side in the USA?

Not as simple as you thought, isn't it?

Finally, I would like to ask a trolling question of my own. 

"Considering the position of your own laws on abortion, why don't you New Zealand anti-Trump Dummies attack the Pro-choice lot and the left in the USA?"

To save you some time:

Israel:

Abortion in Israel is permitted when determined by a termination committee under limited circumstances such as rape, concerns about the age of the woman, or birth defects, with the vast majority of cases being approved as of 2019.[1][2][3] The rate of abortion in Israel has steadily declined since 1988.[1] Compared to the world, abortion rates in Israel are moderate. According to government data, in Israel, abortion rates in 2016 have dropped steadily to 9 per 1,000 women of childbearing age, lower than England (16.2) and the United States (13.2). 99% of abortions are carried out in the first trimester [4]

Abortion in Israel had been illegal prior to 1977. It became legal subject to termination committee approval under the penal code of 1978.[5] Despite raging controversy in the United States, no American aid money is used for abortions in Israel [6]

Prior to 2014 approval for an abortion in Israel by a termination committee was given under limited circumstances, such as if the woman was unmarried, because of age (if the woman was under the age of 18 - the legal marriage age in Israel - or over the age of 40), the pregnancy was conceived under illegal circumstances (rape, statutory rape, etc.) or an incestuous relationship, birth defects, or risk to the health or life of the mother. Subsequent to 2014, abortion up to the age of 33 can be provided for under the nationally funded health basket.[7]

New Zealand:

Abortion in New Zealand is legal in cases where the pregnant woman faces a danger to her life, physical or mental health, or if there is a risk of the fetus being handicapped in the event of the continuation of her pregnancy. In cases not protected by these grounds, performing an abortion on a woman or girl is a crime in New Zealand under the Crimes Act 1961 (the woman or girl is not a party to the offence). Regulations in New Zealand require that abortions after 12 weeks gestation be performed in a "licensed institution", which is generally understood to be a hospital.[1]

Abortions must be authorised by two doctors (referred to as "certifying consultants" within the legislation), one of whom must be a gynaecologist or obstetrician. However, doctors can refuse to authorise the procedure, in which case the woman must find another doctor and plead her case with them until she has the permission of two doctors, and also a qualified surgeon if neither of those doctors are licensed to perform the operation. Counselling is optional if the woman desires it, but is not mandatory under current abortion law. There is no statutory definition of fetuses or embryos as "unborn children" within New Zealand abortion law.[1]

Pro-Life (United States Anti-Abortion Movement)

The United States anti-abortion movement (or the pro-life movement or right-to-life movement) contains elements opposing induced abortion on both moral and sectarian grounds and supports its legal prohibition or restriction. Advocates generally argue that human life begins at conception and that the human zygote (or embryo or fetus) is a person and therefore has a right to life. The anti-abortion movement includes a variety of organizations, with no single centralized decision-making body.[1] There are diverse arguments and rationales for the anti-abortion stance. Some anti-abortion activists allow for some permissible abortions, including therapeutic abortions, in exceptional circumstances such as incest, rape, severe fetal defects or when the woman's health is at risk.

Pro-Choice

It is difficult to get a simple, fairly short description of what the Pro-choice movement stand for, simply because there are so many different views Their basic grounds though, are more or less seated in the Roe v Wade case. Only problem is that they have now expanded so much on Roe v Wade that it is a different kind of beast altogether. Some of them, and a large number at that, go as far as advocating for the mother to make an abortion decision even at birth. They proposed that in such a case, of an abortion decision at birth of the child, the baby is born and left on its own with no further survival support. That sounds a lot like downright fucking murder to me, don't you think?

Is the morning after pill considered contraception or abortion? If a fifteen-year-old girl had sex, should she be allowed to obtain the morning-after pill? (or the week after etc) . Or a rape victim etc. 

Abortion is certainly a contentious topic. The ideal situation is that birth control is used and that pregnancies are planned by both parties, which would avoid abortion in any form. 

There is also the consideration of other life here on earth, and the planet should not be overpopulated by the human species. This is particularly true in the third world where population growth is higher than economic growth- which is not great for future generations or other life here on Earth. 

Interesting lecture on why the world's population won't exceed 11 billion

"Is the morning after pill considered contraception or abortion?"

I don't know. Probably. There is an Afrikaans expression back in the day that was often used to troops, mostly on the day that they have their first weekend pass. Hou jou ding uit die gate uit dan hou jy jou gat uit die dinge uit. It doesn't have the same comical effect when you translate it into English but it boils down to something like "Keep your 'thing' out of the holes and you will keep your arse out of the 'things' (troubles) ". Same goes for any sex, I suppose.

"If a fifteen-year-old girl had sex, should she be allowed to obtain the morning-after pill? (or the week after etc) . Or a rape victim etc. "

That is exactly one of the valid considerations for an abortion in the view of the Israelis (and most of the western world, NZ and the Pro-Life movement in the USA).

"Abortion is certainly a contentious topic. The ideal situation is that birth control is used and that pregnancies are planned by both parties, which would avoid abortion in any form. "

Yes, yes, yes. Although, I don't think that it is quite accurate to say that it would avoid abortion in any form. You would still have the issues of rape, incest, the health of mother and/or baby, etc.

"There is also the consideration of other life here on earth, and the planet should not be overpopulated by the human species. This is particularly true in the third world where population growth is higher than economic growth- which is not great for future generations or other life here on Earth. "

The "developed world" has a huge task to educate the third world. That is one of the areas that they should concentrate on instead of CO2 emissions and other BS about climate change. Man is not going to alter the course of climate change one iota. 

Shark, like I said, it's a simple question. Are you OK with 3rd trimester abortion? Yes or no?

Not an easy question to answer in just one go, and to those that make it sound like an easy decision, I don't see how it can be

If a 12 year old girl is raped by someone, up until what point does she have to make a decision on keeping the baby or aborting.....

If she is forced to keep the baby, her life as a teenager is completely over

Her normal life as she knows it, including schooling and career would be drastically altered, hampered or changed

What if it's a mixed race baby because the rapist is not the same race, bringing with it, so many other issues

What if it was a crackhead junkie that raped the girl, causing potential development problems to the baby

What if the rapist was HIV positive

What if I was talking about your own daughter or grandchild here...… I just don't see it being a easy decision..... and I am referring to right after the rape here, not waiting until the 3rd trimester

Hear d of adoption, Shark?

Devi. We are talking about 3rd trimester abortion here. Let me ask a counter question. At what point would you consider it to be murder or infanticide?

Some politicians are propagating "post birth abortions ". I kid you not...wait till the baby is born and then you decide to keep it or kill it.

This isn't a religious question for me. Personally, I'm against it, even in the case of rape, but this view can't be forced on the general public...it will create even more problems in the long run. 

I cannot see how anyone would need more than 10 to 12 weeks on this issue.

In the States, women are sent back to think about it, if it's too early in the pregnancy...absolutely unthinkable that there are people OK with this horrible practice. 

There will always be exceptions and their are ways to deal with it, but using it as an excuse to kill babies is just wrong.

If we are gonna agree to third trimester abortion then we should, on balance, also agree to the execution of people that bring no value to society. 

Seriously. The baby would be aborted because keeping it live might pose a problem for the parents. So if someone is a lazy shit, externally on social benefit and has a history of anti-social behaviour...well, there is proof that such a person is a problem as opposed to the baby which might be a problem.

Gas them. Right?

I agree with Db and Ceradyne on this

There are obviously far too many scenarios that could play out in instances like this, but I do believe that a woman should 100% have the authority to terminate a baby, if the reason for that baby has come about due to rape, incest etc etc..... in other words, if she became pregnant..... and she had no way or say whatsoever in how that baby was conceived.... in other words totally out of her own personal control. 

Even then, it would have to be an immediate solution, not a decision made after months of being pregnant...… who would be sick enough to do that?

"At what point would you consider it to be murder or infanticide?"

The age old question of when consciousness starts or when life really begins at that stage...….

When can the fetus feel pain...….

I don't know, and I will never profess to know, because it is such an incredibly hard subject to discuss, because I can imagine people on both sides of the spectrum who have maybe been through something like this, could possibly provide a lot of other insight that none of us would know about or ever imagine

I will say this..... if any of my friend's daughter's were raped by some sick individual, and that little innocent baby girl fell pregnant.... I would fully support their decision to immediately terminate the pregnancy

If that same girl and her family decided to keep the baby due to personal, religious reasons, I would fully support that decision as well...….

One cannot ever know all the different scenarios and issues that are involved, to make an informed decision on behalf of someone else, or judge another person or family when something like this happens...…. I cannot even imagine it, and just the slight thought of it ever happening to any family member of mine, makes my blood boil

Yes DA, but we have to draw the line somewhere. ATM there almost is no line. Abortion shouldn't be used for contraception or convenience....fine with me if you don't want to be the one drawing this line...I don't want to either.

 Like you say, it's a difficult topic...so what is wrong and what's right? Well, I'd rather err on the side of life than death...rather safe than a baby torturer...like you said, there is no need to continue an unwanted pregnancy for months.

 What I can't understand is that there are doctors and nurses who actually perform these horrible procedures. 

There should obviously be some cutoff point regarding the termination

Surely any person would know within hours or days that they wanted to keep the baby, if they were informed that their rapist impregnated them....

I cannot see any fathomable reason to keep a pregnancy going for longer than a few days without having to make a serious decision regarding termination or not...… I stand steadfast in my belief that any young girl..... should never be forced to give birth to her rapists baby..... never.

She should have full 100% control and authority on if she would want to keep the baby

The damage to that little girl on being forced to give birth.... and the potential damage and ridicule that that baby could end up enduring.... is just as bad...… growing up being told you were the product of a rape..... or the mother never ever loving the baby due to the circumstances that it was conceived.....

You cannot force someone to carry to full term and give birth to another human being, a child which came about...... without the input or acceptance or voluntary contribution from the lady

Imagine any man just wanting to carry on his bloodline, walking randomly around...... raping young girls, knowing full well that he had the law on his side...… and that all those young girls will have to birth his seed to the world.....

Nah man, it ain't fucking right...….

“ What I can't understand is that there are doctors and nurses who actually perform these horrible procedures. ”

I think I have posted this clip before. 

OK, great! DA, so we can tic you down as being against late term abortion but pro abortion early term for terminating unwanted pregnancy of whatever nature. 

Not that anyone needs my approval, but I can live with that. I still think it's wrong in most cases, and it's sometimes difficult to do the right thing, but it's a start at determining some kind of middle ground.

Vlag, I only got 1:20 into that. I can't watch it....too horrible 

Db, in what cases are you saying abortion is not acceptable?

It's unacceptable. As is LGBT, PEDOPHILIA AND THE PREYING ON OUR CHILDREN BY THE PERVS. 

These progressively insane twits are pure evil. 

Beeno, there are still very legitimate reasons for abortion

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Db, in what cases are you saying abortion is not acceptable?"

If it's only for convenience after irresponsible behavior it's dead wrong, but I would be able to live with it if it's done within up to 8 weeks. I wont like it, but it's unfair to force my faith based morals on others...but it remains a terrible deed that weighs much more on most mothers than they anticipated....but that's another story.