Ice Agent suffered internal bleeding

"There is no ways in hell that you can predict that it will "never happen to me or I will not find myself in that situation". Then suddenly you"re not so sure about obeying anymore are ya??"

I'm trying to figure out what that means.

SA has some of the worst policing of any civilised country and even with our totally low grade corrupt policies officers, as long as you follow their instructions there is very little chance of them using deadly force on you.

I guess you could imagine scenarios of mistaken identity, misunderstanding or some other sort of confusion that could get you killed by the cops, but those instances are very rare. And even in those instances, the vast majority of the time you would still need to present some sort of threat to life or limb or cause actual harm before they would take fatal action.

I know of a single instance in my life of something like that where SA cops stopped a friend who is a gambler when he was coming from a casino in the early morning hours. They were sure he would be drunk, but he doesn't drink...and so they tried to get him angry and into an altercation so they could arrest and blackmail him. But that's actual corruption and nobody agrees it should be taking place.

I like that you are talking about "context" because it's worth looking at what the context is. As far as I can tell, it's one where Democratic mayors and politicians are actively promoting their constituents involving themself in ICE operations. Where police and other agencies are being prevented from intervening when a lot of these protesters are actually breaking the law, fighting with, spitting on, driving into, harassing and abusing ICE agents. And it's causing all sorts of chaos.

It's within that context that people are supposed to carry out a difficult job, and then be expected to respond correctly even after harm had been caused to them.

Anti-government protesters being killed by pro-regime government agencies.

That could describe what's happening in the USA just as easily as it could describe events in Iran.

Same thing . . . applauded when it happens in the USA and condemned when it happens anywhere else.

Now I see Bozo wants to slap tariffs on any country opposing his bid to seize and take over Greenland.

Is this the behaviour of a statesman or a schoolyard bully?

Bozo is a loser's idea of what a winner is and a winner's idea of what a loser is.

Rooinek and Mpower

I am alsoa gainst murder of epople and if the officer was fond guilty of murder he must be enstenced, However - the rig ht tosef-defense is alsso applicable,

Hpw amny police officers have been murdered bym t he riotous scum oganized by the Democrats to riot. Not one but atn leasst 80 in the past two years.

So Mpower do you reallmy believe that Police s hould bot act in self-defense?

What I condemn outright is riots oprganized by politicans like is a hppenin g in the USA at present, What is ithe ritos in aid of. Biden por the A utopen oppened the border and 16 million illegal migrantns floowd into the USA. A mogtn them were 497 000 criminals guilty of murder m drug and people smugglinng - as well is serious crimes in the USA/

So the aim is tp keep the criminals in the US A at all costs Among st th them were more th an 450 000 iunaccompanied children - most of th em ending up in crothels in USA cities, The Democrats are defendin g these criminals with everything in their power - riots are part of it. Not clear why the DP leadership love criminas and ilelgals in he country, Probably tp do ith fake voting in elecgtions.

Do yu two believe attacks on and murder of Police Offices are jusfified?

By your comments uit seeems that you h ate TNrump and that you spread all kinds of BS about any situatuation on site/ If Boden cannot find he toiet de to dem entia Trump is bamed for it.

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Anti-government protesters being killed by pro-regime government agencies.

That could describe what's happening in the USA just as easily as it could describe events in Iran

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? Known individual or related incidents

1. The shooting death of Renee Good by an ICE agent in Minneapolis sparked protests, but this is a single fatality with broader implications; there’s no comprehensive data showing additional protester deaths tied directly to protests across the country in 2025

Credible Reported Figures

1. Verified official and independent estimates:

1. At least ~5,000 people killed — according to Iranian government-verified figures cited by Reuters (which includes civilians and some security personnel).
2. Over ~3,000 deaths confirmed — reported by the U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRANA) with data shared by multiple outlets including Reuters coverage.
3. HRANA specifically noted roughly ?3,097 protesters among that count.

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Well done Vaccine, you have just set a new record for sheer stupidity. The scary thing is you actually believe the rubbish you write.

How does an adult, claiming not be suffering from TDS, even dream of making a comparison like that!!!???

I'm starting to think that TDS is actually completely overriding normal faculties of logic in a lot of people.

I can't think of another time in my life where I have heard people say this amount of absolutely bonkers rubbish and be that serious about it.

It's actually becoming creepy.

...the new world wide religion.

I see.

So the first one is okay?

Killing two protesters is slightly worse than killing just one and killing three or four is probably just okay but starting to get a bit worrying. Killing a 100 or a thousand is clearly very bad so we need to look between those ranges for the acceptable limit. Somewhere between 4 and 100? Yes?

What is the acceptable number of protesters that can be killed before we get concerned, Moffie? We know 1 is okay and we know 100 is not okay. So what is the number? Just have a guess.

Renee Good, a 37-year-old American citizen, was fatally shot by ICE agent Jonathan Ross on January 7, 2026, in Minneapolis during an immigration enforcement operation. This incident sparked widespread protests in Minneapolis and other cities like Chicago, New York, and Washington, D.C., under banners such as "ICE Out For Good," with thousands participating and some arrests but no protester fatalities reported.?

Known Incidents

A second ICE-related shooting occurred on January 14, 2026, in Minneapolis, where a man was shot in the leg during a traffic stop and altercation; the injury was non-life-threatening, and no deaths resulted. No other fatalities tied to ICE agents or these protests appear in available reports, and Good herself was described by family as a legal observer rather than an activist, not a protester at the time.?

Broader Context

Protests involved clashes with tear gas, pepper spray, and minor injuries (e.g., one police officer), alongside political responses like lawsuits against DHS and calls to limit ICE operations, but comprehensive data confirms no additional protester deaths nationwide in 2025 or early 2026 linked directly to these events. The claim holds as a single fatality with national implications, lacking evidence of wider protester killings.

See what I mean, the TDS is rotting these freak's brains.

There is so much wrong with your logic that it doesn't even warrant a response, RooiTit.

Seriously, snap out of it, man!

Ice = Trump's Gestapo. Renee Good was murdered.

BP ffs just ask your missis.

You're yet another shameful dom drol.

You keep calling people “freaks” and “bonkers”, "creepy" but you still haven’t explained what logic justifies shooting a slow moving driver who was turning her wheels away from the officer and posed no immediate threat.

He could've just backed away from the moving car...

She wasn’t attacking anyone. She wasn’t armed. She wasn’t even part of the protest. She could have been followed, arrested, and prosecuted. Every human being has that right.

Instead, an officer chose lethal force and a mother of three is dead. If questioning that is “crazy” to you, then your problem isn’t logic, it’s empathy.

Funny thing is Plum, even the AI systems you obsess over are being programmed and trained to show more empathy than you do, and they already do.

When a machine shows more concern for human life than a grown man cheering authority, with all due respect, you really need to get your head checked.

"You keep calling people “freaks” and “bonkers”, "creepy" but you still haven’t explained what logic justifies shooting a slow moving driver who was turning her wheels away from the officer and posed no immediate threat."

I explained it very clearly to you, in a line by line reply above. Perhaps you missed it, scroll up.

And I never said I agree or disagree with her killing. You simply interpreted it that way because I disagreed with you. I explained, in pretty general terms, how the law would likely look at that incident. I also explained how I tend to keep myself out of those types of situations and how I respond to law enforcement so that if I did get into a situation then the law would likely be on my side.

You never provided an explanation or argument that is consistent with the law. What you did was look at the situation from an emotional perspective. That's cool, but they're your emotions and don't mean much to me. I'm not here to morally one-up you.

As for a machine having more compassion than I do. Here's a bit of code that will take any input and return a loved filled message of peace;

def peace():

txt = input("Type anything: ")

print("You typed:", txt)

print("Same result:")

print("Peace, love and teddy bears bears")

peace()

So, according to you I don't have much compassion, but I made some code that "has" compassion, but doesn't that mean that I have compassion? And if I spread that code far and wide then even though I have no compassion I have still spread more compassion than you have. Does that make you a worse spreader of compassion than someone with no compassion? And does that put you above or below me on the morality hierarchy?

If Truimp nuked a country, the Trumpanzee species would be cheering him on, while claiming his critics had TDS. The irony is that TDS is supporting him, or even being aberrant to him . A bit like Nazi sympathisers...

But so far he has only clinically damaged the Iran nuclear program and removed a dictator with a price on his head increased by sleepy Joe Biden. By all means criticize him for what he’s done, but criticizing him for what he may do is…..wait for it….TDS.

He can get some credit for the Iran bunker buster. The Venezuela operation is more of a joke than constructive efforts.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/17/minneapolis-twin-cities-ice-dispatch

Trump's reign's like a tv reality show going/gone tragically rogue & the only comeback from his muppets?..... TDS.

Nope Trump is executing his campaign promises faithfully. And those campaign promises got him elected. The group that has gone rogue, defying the national elections are the Dem mayors and governors. This is not unusual.

When the animus they stir up goes beyond protests and becomes an insurrection, bad things are bound to happen.

Mozart, you're either pissed or you're taking the piss .

LOL we're back to Trump is Hitler.

Since we've covered Trump very well.

Let's discuss Minnesota, Blo.

Tell us about the corruption happening there, who is responsible and who presides over it?

Nope Trump is executing his campaign promises faithfully.

Of course, of course. Or anything Trump does is reframe to match his campaign promises. It is another funny situation as it exhibits the liberals' absence of autonomy. They can no longer dissociate from Trump and are validating anything he does. The line not to be crossed though remains Trump's treatment of brown and black people. If this was to change, Trump's support will dwindle.

LOL we're back to Trump is Hitler.

For liberals who can not accept Trump is a liberal. Trump is obviously not Hitler. Hitler was a nazi and Trump is a liberal. While nazism and liberalism have significant points of convergence, they also have major divergences. So Trump is not Hitler. Trump is a liberal.

This all raises an interesting question.

What is an acceptable error rate when carrying out vital action at scale?

As everybody here knows, El Salvador built a mega prison and basically chucked anybody that has anything to do with crime, and some people they know, into jail. The philosophy was to cast the net wide, remove the crime problem almost entirely, and then work through a backlog of a percentage of the arrests the were unjustified - for argument sake, lets say its 30%.

Upside - El Salvador becomes incredibly safe and and the crime rate plummets through the floor.

Downside - A percentage of people spend unnecessary time in prison.

Is that an acceptable outcome?

Before you answer, consider that the murder rates went from 53/100k to 2.4/100K...a 95% drop in murder rate. Think about what the does for tourism and investment.

I get it, the natural instinct is so say, well lets settle for a reduction of 80% instead of 95% and decrease bad arrests as much as we can.

But that's not the question I am asking you. I am asking whether the outcome as stated is acceptable to you.

To me, it is acceptable. And the guys that spend time in prison while being innocent, will also be able to benefit from the living in a safe country once they are released.

Liberals and statistics... Their big love to dehumanise people... The greater good and stuff... It is very funny... Only 250 years and liberalism is over... It is not so bad put a part of humanity in slavery as long as another part benefit from it. It is not so bad to deprive people from their one god's given rights as long as another segment benefit from it...

It is very funny as it explains liberals' obsession with demographics and their inability to spread liberalism. As some point in the day, when liberalism mindset is spread, others will do the same claim and start denying their one god's granted rights... except white people are going to be on the receiving end.

Injustice is sweet when one is the good side. When one slides on the wrong side, suddenly, that is the scramble...

This is all well above your head Trad and, in light of that, I would rather rip my own eyes out than read whatever response you wrote above.

Sure, sure... What an example of magical thinking... Very funny.

As a reminder, liberals can not address issues when they put in front of them. It is over for liberals.

Yeah, it's actually despicable what people are currently doing in Minnesota ..... and people want to ask why "some" activists / agitators / criminals get roughed up or even shot.....

Stupidity of the highest order

I have now looked at all the videos available. A few things emerge. The one they are showing from the back left looks benign. This is the one they always show…..in slow motion. Crucial point as we know from our rugby experiences.

The one from the right side shown at regular speed is hard to find, it’s way down in the Google order. But it shows something different. The car takes off suddenly and the agent is forced back in a sudden jerk. He could have fallen in front of the car if he wasn’t as agile

It’s obvious from the stationary position and angle she was trying to block the road. She was also pressing her hooter continuously and before she took off she was revving her engine. In an automatic car this is a deliberate aggressive signal. She failed to obey the order to get out of the car.

And separately we know she and her female ‘ husband’ have been active in the anti ICE efforts. I’m guessing variations of this scenario have occurred many times without serious consequences. In this instance the history of the officer and the fact that he was actually struck by a car as it lurched forward, resulted in a fatal response.

The resistance to ICE encouraged by political actors is what’s putting untrained people at risk…elevating their actions from protesting to balking and in some cases assaulting federal officers. Everything ICE is doing is subject to legal review, which is fine. Protests are fine. Encouraging protesters to do more is to put their safety and that of these ICE agents at risk in uncontrolled situations,

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Applicable laws and applications explained without taking a side either way.

The bullet hole is on the left hand side of the windscreen. The officer was right handed, so he would have been in front of the car when he shot if it the shot was straight or at a slight angle. The angle of the shot will be determined by forensics. They will be able to do an exact 3D model of the events from the physical evidence as wel as the various camera angles. Also note that he was close to the car, so he would not have been able to see the direction the wheels were pointing when he made the decision to shoot. This all happened in the blink of an eye...and then there is the muscle memory from training and experience, adrenaline, experience and various other factors...not an easy call to make in a millisecond when your life is on the line...it's easy to judge after the fact in front of a laptop watching things in slomo, different kettle of fish when you're in the boots in front of a car with an unhinged person behind the wheel.

It is very funny. Liberals cling to their fantasies. It is one of the powerful forces that will make them unable to change course. Training of what? Stopping a car moving toward you by killing the driver? Police officers are trained to put their safety first. There is nothing good to stay in front of a car.

The car takes off suddenly and the agent is forced back in a sudden jerk. He could have fallen in front of the car if he wasn’t as agile

That very agile liberal could have stepped aside instead of drawing his gun. No one killed. Liberal police could have claimed to be able to handle agitators without spilling blood.

Good was murdered by Trump's Gestapo.

Shot in the face.

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No new news, just a long labored piece of self promotion.But he says at the beginning because of the findings in the New York Times article it’s imperative that a fair investigation be made….the findings generally favor the Ice Officer. There is a wound on the right side of the victim’s body…..but other than that….nada that isn’t already known..

The inept murderer shot himself.

Good's own ex-father in law absolutely sang her praises as a fantastic person, and a good mother , whilst at the same time also admitting that he was saddened by her current state of mind at the time of the incident, and he also acknowledged that the ICE officer was struck by the vehicle.

Says a lot

And now there's this guy, Kieth Porter, who was "celebrating" the new year by firing a rifle outside his apartment complex.

It's worth remembering that unless it's for self defence, or in a designated facility, firing guns and rifles in a build up area is a crime.

Here is the type of comment from BLM that the plebs won't see any problem with;

""You don't just get to murder people, because you don't like what they're doing or how they are doing or how they're celebrating," said Melina Abdullah, the co-founder of Black Lives Matter Los Angeles."

1) The off duty ICE agent hears gunshots in a built up area.

2) He goes to invatigate

3) Porter aims and fires at the ICE agent and fires three shots at him.

4) The ICE agent kills him.

Of course BLM are all over it with comments about him being a family man, about how it's all so racist, blah blah blah.

So, TDSers, I'm gonna guess that you also think this was racist, Nazi-like, Trumps fault...

"Good was murdered by Trump's Gestapo.

Shot in the face."

Only firing 3 rounds actually showed great restraint from the officer.

Very funny. Liberals cling to their flawed pattern of thought, no matter what. They have lost any kind of autonomy. They have painted themselves into a corner. Which means they are predictable. They are going to kill hundreds of millions of people.

Trump may be involved in the Epstein case. In this branch, a direct explanation is provided: Trump is fighting against the files release because he is involved. Trump not being involved in the Epstein case is the worst case scenario. Because there is no direct explanation to Trump's behaviour. Contrary to the allegations made on this board, the very situation Trump is not involved is the worst case scenario for liberals.

Same here, the very fact the collision happened is the worst case scenario. It removed any room for speculation about the outcome of the collision. The collision was not lethal, the collision was not crippling. The situation is so bad that now liberals are now calling for mental distress to be included as a factor for use of lethal force by police forces.

It is a very funny point as liberals kept lowering the bar for the use of lethal force and reject the consequence of it: they are making the job more and more attractive for people who want to kill. Criminals want something: impunity. And liberal societies are setting into place various jobs that are slowly by surely ensured impunity. This causes a large societal selection scheme: people who want to kill and join the police force ranks and people who want to kill but are not so smart and turn criminals.

Remember, peeps, humanity is diverse, people come with various projects, various ways of enjoying themselves. People who want to have sex with under-aged people do exist, people who want to kill people exist and so on. And it has been established by liberals themselves by the way that those people prefer to use society structures to fulfil their objectives. Liberals themselves.

So, TDSers, I'm gonna guess that you also think this was racist, Nazi-like, Trumps fault...

Oh, no, unneeded.

LOL we're back to Trump is Hitler.

Since we've covered Trump very well.

Let's discuss Minnesota, Blo.

Tell us about the corruption happening there, who is responsible and who presides over it?

There is one thing that myou all ignore and thatn is factul. Thee are eement in t he Demcoprtic Prty that has been radicalised, They have the support of the Part as a whole,

S o lets gt down to real facts. The riots organized by the D emcoratic Party in which they played a major role actually started in 2020 and the implementing bodies used to actually let the ritoers were both organizations Obama supported the implementation of BLM and Antifa,

Both are subsidiaries of the Democratic Party,

During 2020 the DNC received a donation from George Soros to organizzed proests aganst the Police based on the Floyd incident, The actul prganization was organized by BLM and Antifa, The following facts with regard to the riots were pertinent:-

1. The media claim it were peaceful protests - but it was violent.
2. The rioters came from all over the USA and was promised they could do as hey pleased and will not be proseuted and in teh case of looting they could keep and sell the loot,
3. In the case of breaking of the Law heyw ould not be prosecuted.

The riots did not take place all in all centers a the same time. The cties affected after the violence were abandone and the rioters moved to the enxt cties to be attacked, Transport and accommodaion costs were covered by the DNC from he Soros grant.

The fact is the riots had horrible consequences - with 46 people murdered by the rioters amongst t h killed people were 14 Police Officers. The rioters used firearms and Molotv Cocktails provided to them on an organized basis to attack the Police. There were more than 1 200 police officers sriously injured, In areas in some cities arsona tacks on building s were rife, In Milwaukie for isnatnce whole coty blocks were burned don nd 15 000 people fed from t and lot all t heir posessions. None of t he burned-down buildin gs has not b een replaced as yet, Total damage amounted to over $6 billion dollars,

The Police arrested over 1 500 criminals on charges ran gin g from Murder, violent attacks onm Police and private people and arsson and looting, While c arges was under review by the Justice Department and before anyhing could be done about chargies of the criminals Biden was inaugurated and on his instruction all arrested rioters - even those accused of murder - was released from rison and never charged on the isntructin of Garland.

What happened since was that under the Autopen Presidency attacs on Police was not punished and in the period 2021 to 2024 atatcks on and murder of Police Officers were not treatd as criminal activities and kept rising every year, But what was even worse was that the Democrats organized illegal protests at the homes of Justices about the potential ruling of the Supreme Court justices Homes, That is totally forbidden by law and Garland just ignored what happened, Rioters at the homes came from all over the USA and the hreat of ciolence was eve-present, In one case a Californian radical travelled to Virginia to murder Judge Kavanaugh.

What happened since was that in 2024 Antifa and BLM was invovled in riots at Collegres all over he USA, Again funding was provided by Soros - but his tuime to radiacals attached o teh releant isntirtution.. In places Synagogus were fire-bombed and damage was cased by the rioters. Students were not allowed to enter the Colleges and over 100 000 students lost a year and had to repeat their studies this year, The situation was volatile and in the end the Police intervened and strated arresting rioters - especially when ehy damaged buidings in he process, Their names was recorded and they were immediately aftewards released and never charged with law-breaking . At some colelges th authorities climed the rioters were not students at thir institutions and it as hen when the organizers were exposed as Antifa and BLM terrorists shouting "Death to Israel" and "Death to America".

After Trump were inaugurated as President a year ago - the Demcoratic Party turned ag ain to vioence as a means to undermine the Trump A dministration. This time the targets were Trump himself .- two assassination attempts by radicals were proof of that - ad then there was the murder of Kirk - acclaimedf on thsis ite as justified, There were real justification of the murder by the media. The oher aprt were outri ght terrorist attacks on Tesla again organized andopenly supported by th e DP politicians.

Aother fake organization was the so-called NO KINGS protests all preganized by the DP. There is zero indications that Trump was guilty of any undermini ng of the US Constitution and he si bound to retuire fronm politics at the end of his present term.

However - t he violent part of the present scenario is ramparnt. It also like in 2020 moved from city to city and entails he same things tht happened in 2020. Minneapolis became a target since the Minnesota Government was exposed as uterly corrupt and t he D P need a diversion from that story as a matter of urgency, So the rots followed again. The women shot in the city camefrom Portgland in Oregon and her family said she wa radicalized and violent, Same story with most of the Minnesota rioters, Vioence and looting was part of the process.

Sorry for the woman killed - but she went to Minnesota to rotest violently and the ICE people were aware of he dangers hhey face in the cae of such riots.

So my question to members is - Do you support terrorism in the USA?