Ice Agent suffered internal bleeding

Just so you all know, I know who Trad is.

PS - I have proof.

PSS - You really should use a VPN, Trad.

"Only firing 3 rounds actually showed great restraint from the officer."

I'd call that a bit below the belt, xavi.

Looks to me like the US is in a complete mess internally and externally. If saying that makes me a TDS sufferer then so be it. I'd wear that badge with pride rather than being a brainwashed Trumpanzee sucking up all the alt right tripe he reads and hears.

Calling anyone who criticises Bozo "deranged" actually gives some insight into the mind of a Trumpanzee.

I'm not saying Bozo is America's Hitler (yet) but there are very strong similarities when it comes to their respective support bases. Stupid and brainwashed people defending their great leader's right to grab land that doesn't belong to him, supporting his use of government forces to silence resistance and applauding his demonizing of minority groups based on race, culture and religion.

Bozo may not be in Hitler's league yet, but his supporters are right up there with the German people who supported the Nazis and believed so fervently in what Hitler was trying to achieve.

Acrrtuaallym murder of police and ot her people are promoted on site by Rooidoos and similar mentally retarded BSters.

Thankfully the video evidence proves conclusively that the Officer had a right to defend himself. With the officer standing right in front of the car she decides to accelerate into him. Lucky he wasn't killed.

Renee Good seems to me to be a figure a lot like George Floyd. Floyd turned out to be a real scumbag much to the embarrassment of the far left lunatics. A drug take, wife beating, multiple times convicted criminal who tried to resist arrest. It is now established the real reason he died was the incredibly high levels of drugs in his system.

Good was a heavily brainwashed fat left lunatic. Thus she was able to leave her state of Colorado and her children and travel all the way to Minneapolis. IT has been established she is part of a group training others on how to obstruct ICE in what are LAWFUL activities. She valued her unlawful activism against ICE above her children.

Doubtless the resident pervs here love the fact she is married to a woman. That elevates her to Sainthood in their perverted eyes.

This book will be out today. It shows why a muslim invasion of the US is taking place, why the Mexican Government has 50 consuls in the US and what they are doing and why China is infiltrating the USA etc. But guess who they are all against. Yes its the man batting for America and fighting tyrannical globalist rule President Donald J Trump.

You can also go to Breitbart news were extracts from the Book are being discussed..

Foreign powers have been pro open borders and mass immigration as they are hoping to change America from within. They have imported, voters activists and protestors. But oaks and mamparas the jig is up. this whole issue is a 80/20 matter. Americans do not want to be over run and the country taken over by far left Globalist marxist and islam.

"Only firing 3 rounds actually showed great restraint from the officer."

"I'd call that a bit below the belt, xavi."

The meme is probably below the belt.

What I meant was that Law Enforcement in the States are trained to mag dump the threat, reload and then reassess. He only fired three rounds and likely cos he was running the risk of crossfire and the possibility of the direction of fire changing and the risk of hitting what was now behind the vehicle (the vehicle now being side on to him)

Oh please

And the constant sexualised AI images of Trump giving other men blowjobs is not below the belt

DumbAss, maybe where you come from, it's acceptable to make fun of the dead. Where I come from, that would be frowned upon.

You're trying to equate a blowjob with killing someone. Again, I'm not sure how people do things where you're from, but for normal people, sucking someone's dick and killing someone are two very different things.

Whatever you think of Renee Good, her death was tragic and avoidable. Celebrating her death like the Trumpanzees celebrated the death of John McCain is below the belt . . . as is suggesting she should have been shot more times than she was.

https://x.com/i/status/2013447476725063736

Kinda like people on the left justified and in some cases celebrated the death of a man who by all accounts was actually a decent person…..Charlie Kirk?

Kinda like people on the left justified and in some cases celebrated the death of a man who by all accounts was actually a decent person…..Charlie Kirk?

Spot on Moz.... that's why I don't buy into all this bullshit selective outrage....it's ridiculous and pathetic

https://x.com/i/status/2013447476725063736

A good clean shoot..... I hope that driver is dead, so that they can't do it to someone else later

If they aim their vehicle at any police official ..... I hope they shoot them.....and if they die, they die...

It's almost anarchy in some places in the US at the moment ....I'm with ICE

I see, so the shooting was justified in that video therefore it must also be justified in the Renee Good case?

Is that what you're saying, DumbAss? It sure sounds like that's what you're saying.

Batshit Craaaayyyeeezzzzeeee!

"I see, so the shooting was justified in that video therefore it must also be justified in the Renee Good case?

Is that what you're saying, DumbAss? It sure sounds like that's what you're saying."

No, but it illustrate what ICE is dealing with daily, so it puts the other shooting in context...these people are getting "training" on coordinated chatgroups to do these kind of things...funded with millions from who knows where...professional agitators...domestic terrorist using middle aged women to garner sympathy when things go wrong...almost as sick as using kids to carry grenades to soldiers...FUBAR...the orchestraters should be prosecuted.

The comparison with Charlie Kirk doesn’t make sense. His death was tragic...I feel compassion for him. I didn’t read the Charlie thread on here, yet there are many posts in this thread, framing Renee Good’s death as if it doesn’t really matter.

If you can't literally distinguish between condoning and not condoning her or Charlie's killing, then what are you on about?? It's either or...

If it's left or right, Renee's life or Charlie's life, we need to view life as precious and show respect for it. If not what are we then actually? Don't play clever word games and use irrelevant comparisons to convolute your agendas and intentions.

I respected Charlie Kirk as a person. He was an upstanding citizen with strong arguments and a clear moral structure. He didn’t vilify or demonize anyone, he focused on human values.

And I bet 100% he would have mourned Renee Good and her three children. He would have also condemned the masked ICE lunatic for his excessive force.

In contrast, the way this woman’s death is being discussed on this forum is disturbing. Authoritarian fascism is the general thesis here... and you so conveniently forget that it might just impact you too... what if your brother, uncle, auntie, lover or good friend gets shot dead??

Are you still going to say, well, authority acted correctly when you are personally involved? Context matters with everything in life.

If there is one thing this video shows, it is that she was driving slowly. Her wheels were turning away from the officer slowly. He could have easily backed away, but instead he stood firm in the way of the moving vehicle.

Officer training 101: protect life...both your own and the life of the people. Moving out of harm’s way would have ensured both lives, not shooting.

She did not accelerate, act aggressively, or run him over as some posters are claiming. She could have been chased down, arrested, and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Every human being deserves that right.

Misrepresenting what happened doesn’t honor her life, it distorts reality. On this Forum discussion her life has turned into a technicality, a political discussion, that is extremely irrational.

Some people are also saying that just because she was lesbian, some posters are pervs and have perverted minds?! How narrow minded is that. Acceptance is key. It’s none of our business what sexual orientation other people have and it's not our place to judge them.

Just because some posters here are religious fanatics or don’t accept lesbians and homosexuals, they can't use that as a excuse to justify her death. Besides, if you claim to be a Christian you should not partake in death discussions or condone people dying. All you are then is a fake Christian.

Trying to justify actions by comparing them to unrelated cases or framing them as acceptable because of other incidents is misleading. Human life should not be treated selectively.

Respect and accuracy are essential when discussing someone who has lost their life. Authority doesn’t automatically grant the right to misrepresent facts or disregard human life. The officers behavior, including wearing masks to hide their faces, raises questions that deserve attention.

Another thing that’s sickening is this left and right ideologies. Why does it have to be classified that way? Why can’t people just focus on central values and human decency? They need to do some real self inspection and think about what they stand for in life.

If people can't even show a small portion of empathy for her life or for her children, then they are no better than animals.

Ultimately, the core point is simple: human life is precious, and its loss should be acknowledged with respect and honesty, regardless of politics, personal views, or fanaticism.

" yet there are many posts in this thread, framing Renee Good’s death as if it doesn’t really matter."

Really, like where?

"Ultimately, the core point is simple: human life is precious, and its loss should be acknowledged with respect and honesty, regardless of politics, personal views, or fanaticism."

Yes, but the ICE officers' lives are just as precious...these people are breaking the law and putting their lives and other peoples lives in danger with their actions...you cant drive at an armed cop and be surprised if there are serious consequences...even if he made a serious error in judgement, these people are under serious threat of lethal violence being used against them. If she simply complied with the legal instruction, none of this would have happened...and still people in authority are escalating their rhetoric and creating an even more dangerously volatile environment for these peoply to carry out their duty. 70% of the illegals arested committed serious violent crimes...rape, murder and sexual violations against minors...this is people being radicalized against law enforcement.

You ask “really, like where?” It is all over this thread, open your eyes DB. If people reduce Renee Good’s death to excuses, technicalities, Memes, slogans like “she drove at police or ran over the offcer", that is disrespecting her life. You are doing it again right now.

Yes, ICE officers lives are valuable to. I have already said that, just read properly for goodness sake man.

Protect life means protecting your own life and the life of the people. That is not a contradiction. This is the mandate of a Police Officer or a ICE officer. Go read it up if you don't believe me.

The problem is that you are treating this as if protecting officer safety automatically justifies killing a civilian, even when the facts do not support an immediate lethal threat.

The video shows she was moving slowly. Her wheels were turning away from the officer. She did not accelerate. She did not ram anyone. The officer could have stepped back. That is a fact.

Saying “you can’t drive at an armed cop” ignores the actual context of what happened. Context matters.

There is also conflicting instruction. One officer told her to drive away. Another told her to get out of her Fucking car. In a high stress moment, that creates confusion. People panic. People make bad decisions.

That does not mean they deserve to be shot dead. She could have been chased, arrested, and charged. She would be alive right now. The Masked ICE officer is alive right now.

Also Masked officers create fear and confusion. When law enforcement hides their faces, it sends the message that they don’t want to be identified or held accountable.

A normal police officer shows his face because authority is supposed to be transparent, not anonymous. Masks make situations more tense, not safer, especially for civilians who are already scared.

Instead of calming a situation, it escalates it. People react differently when they feel they’re dealing with faceless figures rather than accountable officers.

Also DB Bringing up crime statistics about other people is irrelevant. And you know it. Renee Good was not committing rape or murder. She was not attacking anyone. Using unrelated crimes to justify her death is exactly the problem. It is a way to avoid empathy and shift blame.

You say human life is precious. That cannot be selective. If you mean it, then it applies to her too. A wife. A mother of three.

Her sexual orientation is irrelevant. Calling people perverted or demonizing them because they are lesbian has nothing to do with law, safety, or justice. It only shows bias.

This is not about left or right. It is not about slogans. It is about a real person who is dead.

When authority is treated as automatically correct, even when the facts do not support it, that is dangerous territory. That means they can do anything under the banner of authority...free raine to fuck normal citizens up.

Ask yourself honestly how you would react if this was someone close to you.

That is the point i am trying to make, and every attempt to deflect or generalize only proves it further.

Posted under the Kimmel thread for you to read M.

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Jan 20, 2026, 22:10

Okay M here’s one Charlie Kirk thread….there may be others. Check it out and see if one our left leaning friends express any sympathy for Kirk…they were far more concerned about the unfair treatment of Jimmy Kimmel.

And one case was a man passively talking to people being shot….the other a woman, blaring her horn, blocking traffic, revving her engine, making contact with a police officer, ignoring orders to get out of her car and prosecuting an anti ICE agenda….getting shot.

I’m sorry that happened to her, her offenses certainly weren’t deserving of that fate. ICE could have handled it better as I’m sure they have done with the thousands of similar confrontations they have already dealt with, although I don’t blame the officer. But the people that encourage these confrontations shouldn’t be surprised when one eventually ends in a tragedy

Just so you all know, I know who Trad is.

PS - I have proof.

PSS - You really should use a VPN, Trad.

Liberals have such a fragile ego. The tales they come to tell. VPNs are useful to prevent I.P tracking. That is all.

It is repeated: liberals are en route to kill hundreds of millions people. It will not happen for one cause but multiples causes. They are cornered. This board is by all evidences populated with hard core liberals (maybe due to the loss of power in South Africa but still...)

Moz I usually use Wayback Machine/Archive.org to find older threads on Ruckers. I am having no luck finding a thread called "Kimmel."

I sometimes wonder why the website doesn't have proper search functionality.

I refreshed it to the top of Mikes Gripes…called Grootbek Kimmel off the Air indefinitely.

"You ask “really, like where?” It is all over this thread, open your eyes DB. If people reduce Renee Good’s death to excuses, technicalities, Memes, slogans like “she drove at police or ran over the offcer", that is disrespecting her life. You are doing it again right now."

No it's looking at the facts and giving an opinion on it...instead of convicting an officer, doing his duty under duress, of murder in the court of public opinion... like you are doing...the margin of error can be the difference between life and death...there are no second chances in these conditions...her actions were partly responsible for the outcome...if she complied to a lawful instruction she would have been alive today...it is that simple...her life would never have been in danger if she complied...even if she successfully fled the scene as you are asuming her intention was, she would have been arrested eventually anyway...she was aware of that...so it's probable that her intentions were more nefarious than you are assuming...the officers in the other video were further away from the vehicle had more time to get out of the way and look what happened to them...these are not rational people and ICE deals with them every day...

Moz, I had a look at what some of the guys said about Charlie Kirk, and I understand what you mean. That is actually the exact point I am trying to make.

Whether it is Charlie Kirk or Renee Good, left or right, it is still a human life. A death should be treated with basic respect and decency, regardless of politics or personal views.

Playing down someone’s death because you disagree with them politically is not something I agree with. I am not a fan of Jimmy Kimmel and I do not find him funny.

Celebrities getting involved in politics often push things too far and just cause tensions instead of actually making it better.

What bothers me most is that many of these deaths and confrontations happen under the banner of authority. Authority sits at the top and the people on the ground become puppets on a string.

Ordinary people and police officers end up losing their lives because of bad leadership and the misuse of power at the top. At some point, we have to draw that line and say, okay, that’s enough now. How much control are we willing to accept?

A big part of the problem is leadership. Leaders like Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Joe Biden, Cyril Ramaphosa, all of these old leaders are stuck in mindsets that no longer fit the world we live in today.

War and rigid ideology keep being justified when there is no real justification for them. I think we need leaders who think with the times, not leaders who just use aggression and power to solve issues. Personally, I do not see myself as left or right. I am more of a centrist.

I think there are good ideas and bad ideas on either side. People should be able to disagree without losing their humanity or respect for life.

That is my opinion, Moz.

Draad, you’re twisting the facts to fit your pro authority ideology. Renee Good wasn’t a criminal. She wasn’t a murderer or a rapist. She reacted badly, yes. She could have complied, yes. But that doesn’t give the officer the right to shoot her dead.

There is zero justification for his reaction...by the way, looking at that video again, I can make a very strong argument that this so called ICE officer, deliberately stepped forward into a car that was turning away from him.

Maybe he already made up his mind that he wanted to shoot her...that fits the comment after she was shot: " The Fucking Bitch"

You say the officer was under duress. What duress was he under?? A harmless woman in a car isn’t threatening him. One officer told her to drive off. The other yelled at her to get out of her fucking car.

She was more under duress than he was. Saying her actions were partly responsible is wrong. The officer is trained for these situations. They are trained for duress situations. He should have known better. He could have stepped back. Very simple. Problem solved.

Moving out of the way would have kept both lives safe. She would have still been alive. End of story.

The fact that these ICE officers are wearing masks, hiding their faces, shows they don’t want to be held accountable. And that comes directly from there leader...shoot first ask questions later.

Attitude reflects leadership...

She didn’t floor the car, run over him, or act aggressively. She was scared and confused. Any suggestion that her intentions were nefarious is nonsense. Where’s the facts for that??

That’s just assumption. Her wheels were turning away from the officer slowly. That’s what actually happened. Facts and context matters a lot.

Your example about other people not complying? Go on YouTube DB and look at all the Police officer interactions with civilians in America. Thousands of civilians don’t comply or don’t get out of the car. Do you see all of them dead? No, you don’t.

The officer’s training and judgment are supposed to prevent these outcomes. He failed. It’s that simple. You’re ignoring the facts and refusing to show empathy, for a mother of three. What if it was your wife?

Renee Good was not a criminal. She was not a threat. The officer had a duty to protect life, not escalate it. You’re defending a mistake and twisting facts. Step back, look at reality, and show some humanity.

Yes, Mpower, a solid analysis. It is true that one of the police officers told her to drive, and the other told her to get out of the car. How was she supposed to react. I don't think she intentionally hit the guy, and he did appear to try step in the way.

Bozo may not be in Hitler's league yet, but his supporters are right up there with the German people who supported the Nazis and believed so fervently in what Hitler was trying to achieve.

100 %

M I don’t disagree with many of the points you make about human life. But did you find one left leaning poster in the Charlie Kirk thread that showed that sensitivity for human life when it was Charlie Kirk’s life that had been taken.

Question to ChatGPT and Answer:

Is there truth to the idea that certain personality types are drawn to policing or develop certain traits on the job?

Studies show police officers often score higher on authoritarian attitudes compared to non?officers.

Some research found that officers tend to be more authoritarian than civilian groups, though it’s not clear whether they were that way before joining or became more that way through the job.

Springer Link

Researchers have compared police recruits to non?police groups and found higher levels of authoritarian thinking in those preparing for law enforcement.

Springer Link

? Research also suggests personality changes can happen during a police career. Long?serving officers tend to become more assertive, emotionally hardened, and more cynical or suspicious over time — traits that can shape how they respond under stress.

Office of Justice Programs

There is debate in the literature about whether policing selects for authoritarian personalities or creates them over time.

Springer Link

What about aggression, empathy, misconduct, and personality traits?

Some research looking at personality predictors of misconduct suggests traits like:

• aggression

• thrill?seeking

• impulsivity

• lack of empathy

• poor impulse control

may be linked to higher risk of inappropriate behavior in a small subset of officers.

Springer Link

This doesn’t mean all officers have these traits, but it suggests personality characteristics can influence how some officers behave in high?stress or power?charged situations.

Springer Link

What critics and some studies don't support fully

Not all research supports the simplistic notion that police are universally aggressive or drawn purely by a desire for power.

Some studies found that traits like conscientiousness or certain positive qualities also show up, and basic personality measures like the “Big Five” don’t always predict performance.

Office of Justice Programs

In other words, the research does not conclusively show that all police officers are criminals, violent people, or only attracted to the job because they want power. It’s more nuanced.

Bottom line (plain language)

• There is evidence that policing attracts or leads to certain personality traits, especially authoritarian attitudes, assertiveness, and emotional hardening.

• Some traits (like impulsivity or low empathy) are linked in studies to risk of misconduct in a minority of officers.

• It’s still unclear whether these traits come before joining or develop because of the job.

• Personality tests alone are not reliable predictors of who will behave badly on the job.

I get what you’re asking, Moz.

Yes, there were people who showed disrespect when Charlie Kirk was killed, and that was wrong. I didn’t agree with it then, and I don’t agree with it now.

But honestly, i don’t see this as an either or situation. One wrong doesn’t justify another wrong. Just because some people on the left mocked Charlie Kirk’s death does not make it acceptable to justify Renee Good’s death now.

I’m trying my best to be consistent on this. I believe human life matters, whether the person is left or right.

I’m also not willing, well trying not to put myself in a position where i play team politics. I’m just talking about basic respect for life. Especially from the Authorities ruling us.

For all we know Renee intended to cross over & park her vehicle behind the vehicle that she subsequently crashed into after being shot point blank in her face.

In the days after the shooting, various people—including teachers, firefighters, and members of the military and U.S. Secret Service were fired from their jobs for social media posts that celebrated Kirk's assassination or were seen as disparaging of his legacy.

Reprisals against commentators on the Charlie Kirk ...

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Charlie Kirk was assassinated on September 10, 2025, while speaking at Utah Valley University.

After the assassination of American political activist and commentator Charlie Kirk in September 2025, there followed widespread disciplinary and retaliatory actions against people seen as celebrating, justifying, or trivializing Kirk's death, encouraging further political violence, denigrating Kirk, or tarnishing his legacy. These efforts were promoted and directly engaged in by the U.S. federal government, with President Donald Trump explicitly condemning "the left" for the violence in his address to the nation in its immediate aftermath, and pledging to target left-wing groups and causes, monitor political speech, revoke visas, and designate Antifa and groups that might support it as domestic terrorists in response to the attack.

On the night of Kirk's killing, the Department of State announced it would penalize foreigners considered to be "praising, rationalizing, or making light of Kirk's death".[1] Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth announced an investigation into the reactions of members of the U.S. Armed Forces, as well as subsequent firings and dismissals of those found to have made obscene or blasphemous comments about Kirk. Commentary cited as reasons for firings and other reprisals included comments which openly celebrated Kirk's demise, spoke critically of his politics or political influence, or which appeared to justify Kirk's assassination through citing his own views on the constant of gun violence or otherwise reposting Kirk's words in ways intended to dishonor his memory. In some cases, criticizing the Republican Party's response to his killing—regarded by some as seeking to opportunistically capitalize on Kirk's death to target political enemies and engage in a broad crackdown on dissent against the Trump administration—resulted in termination of employment or other disciplinary actions.

Following Kirk's death, a number of prominent conservatives called for retaliation against or punishment of private citizens and government or military employees whose comments about Kirk were, in their view, likely to encourage additional political violence, or which were deemed insufficiently respectful towards Kirk and his legacy. They also called for investigations into left-wing groups, universities, and the military for putative anti-Kirk speech. On The Charlie Kirk Show following his death, Vice President JD Vance called for people heard to make remarks deemed uncivil to Kirk to be reported to their employers for termination. Trump later announced that any network that criticized him too harshly could be subject to a revocation of their broadcast license. Multiple analysts have regarded these efforts by the political right as a significant crackdown on political speech and dissent in the United States, and an effort to silence criticism of Kirk and the political ideology he promoted. The response was criticized as a form of cancel culture, government censorship, and of bearing similarities to McCarthyism.[2][3]

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If she simply complied with the legal instruction, none of this would have happened...

.her actions were partly responsible for the outcome...if she complied to a lawful instruction she would have been alive today...it is that simple...her life would never have been in danger if she complied..

She has it coming.

.even if she successfully fled the scene as you are asuming her intention was, she would have been arrested eventually anyway.

And killed eventually anyway. This liberal woman wanted to commit suicide, that's why she behaved that way.

I refreshed it to the top of Mikes Gripes…called Grootbek Kimmel off the Air indefinitely.

The usual deflection strategy has yet to work for this topic.

..instead of convicting an officer, doing his duty under duress, of murder in the court of public opinion... like you are doing...the margin of error can be the difference between life and death...there are no second chances in these conditions...

Killing the driver and the shots did not stop the vehicle immediately.

It is very funny. Liberals in this thread are all about the rule of the law, the rule of law.

It is very funny. So this woman fled the scene. She was killed. She had it coming. Yet of course, by rule of law, the punishment for fleeing a scene is the death penalty.

Liberals do it all the time: they cheapen police forces down to criminal status quite often. Liberals are forced to dismiss that police officers are not common folks. They belong to an organisation organised in order to prevent members from breaking the rule of law. They are not common folks. Common folks being criminal or breaking the rule tells nothing about the rest of common folks. Yet any time a police officer fails to respect the rule of law, it signals a failure of the police organisation. It also has a ripple effect as quite often, liberal institutions of justice have proven themselves unable to hold accountable police officers. Which also chips away at them.

All of this keeps destroying the credibility of liberal institutions in such a way that by liberal tenets, such institutions should be overthrown. See how it works, peeps: that is liberals' failure to deliver on their project that leads to an endless cycle of violence. Police can not live up to liberalism's standards, followed up by the institution of justice, institutions are cheapened and turned not credible, liberal tenets dictate to overthrown these kinds of institutions, police can not live up to their liberalism's standards. Rinse, repeat.

" I'm not mad at you "

those were Renee Good's final words before the Gestapo officer executed her

Guys, do you wanna know who Trad is?

I think he knows that I know who he is.

I've known for a while and it may not come as a surprise to most of you that the coward had to hide behind a fake persona in order to spew his dislike of whites.

That was the reason he made the account. He already had an account here, and wanted to say things that he couldn't say from his main account...so Trad was born.

Pretty sad, cowardly and incredibly stupid.

When I tell you who it is, it'll all fall into place.

TBH, I'm rather surprised most of you haven't figured it out yet.

It starts very strong. Another funny thing: were not the post supposed not to read? The story is going to be entertaining but liberals can not take it, they have a fragile ego. So, for once, acting as depicted would help.

There is one person on this board who has no troubles reading anyone else's posts. And therefore, who feels no needs to censor or distort. The others, many others have proven they can not read everybody else unless they are forced to (for moderation purposes for example)

do you wanna know who Trad is?

so his exposure & embarrassment might mean that we'll lose two members ?

Plum, spit it out...the suspense is killing me!

"so his exposure & embarrassment might mean that we'll lose two members ?"

Both alters can stay...were used to them by know...kinda missing StormingEd as well...and Card must hurry back too.