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Poor Stav! Boris Johnson is right: Britain is facing a golden age!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Dec 2019, 12:06
#41
26 Dec 2019, 12:06#41

Yes know about that. Who the 10 kings are is difficult to know. Sir Isaac Newton wrote a book dealing with this. He tried to figure out who these 10 kings might be. Was hard to do as borders had changed. Conquests had happened. He lost me after after a few chapters. 

The iron and the clay do not mix though CC. Endless problems. 

The failure to have a united States of Europe doesn't square with what the globalist are trying to do  - Dest roy the sovereign nation states of Europe. If that happens these ten kings can't be European countries which Newton argued they were. 

What is certain right now is globalist control over Europe is crumbling. 


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
26 Dec 2019, 23:57
#42
26 Dec 2019, 23:57#42

More outrage by the Irish towards the English. Probably because of Brexit. 


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
27 Dec 2019, 00:04
#43
27 Dec 2019, 00:04#43

More from Farmer Michael on Brexit. 


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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
27 Dec 2019, 00:10
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27 Dec 2019, 00:10#44

@Stav, I realise that not all Irish have benefited directly from American corporations. The income tax, for example, is high. The richest Irish no doubt has a way to get off without paying this high-income tax.

I do feel that Digital Sales tax does have a relation to Brexit. Like I mentioned, the fact that the EU cant agree on applying digital tax across the EU is a failure of the system. For me, this is one of the best reasons for the UK to leave the EU. 

It is not clear what will happen over the next few years. The UK economy may decline, or the Irish economy may decline. However, chances are, that it will not be both that improve - ie. One will probably improve at the expense of the other. I do see digital sales tax as a big factor because it may end up being cheaper to be in the UK or in Ireland- depending how it is applied in the EU, Ireland - or within the UK


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Dec 2019, 13:22
#45
27 Dec 2019, 13:22#45

@ceradyne

Hadn't seen that guy before. Quite amusing.

@sharkbok

Whatever you feel about digital sales tax. Brexit has nothing to do with it. It simply never came up in the debate. The financial benefits of EU membership via trade would far outweigh money lost from corporate tax evasion via other countries.

Economic forecasts are for cotinued growth for both countries assuming a trade deal is struck. Growth will be less than if the UK remained in the EU though. A no deal Brexit would be a disaster for both countries short to medium term.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
27 Dec 2019, 15:16
#46
27 Dec 2019, 15:16#46

@Stav. He's really funny. Check out his channel. He's a guy who became paralyzed through some accident. I seem to recall it was a bike accident and he used to have these funny skits that he did and his friends persuaded him put it on YouTube. 


Check the one about Ireland losing to the Japs in the RWC.


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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
27 Dec 2019, 15:54
#47
27 Dec 2019, 15:54#47
@Stav,
Certain members of the conservative party in the UK appeared to want to leave the EU as soon as it became clear that tax evasion was going to become more difficult for EU states - both personal and corporate tax. The timing was pretty much instant- so Brexit and tax do appear to be related. The reasons given might not actually be the real reason the superrich want to leave the EU- and it was just a marketing campaign targeted at people with average incomes. 

Is this why Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees-Mogg want a fast ...


https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk › top-stories › is-the-anti-tax-avoidanc...

28 Aug 2018 - The EU's forthcoming anti-tax avoidance rules could be a big boost ... Is this the real reason why Farage and Rees-Mogg want a speedy Brexit? ... Thanks to ATAD this tactic won't work as member states can levy tax on the product before it is moved. ... The big Lib Dem mistake was not to focus on the Tories.
If the Irish had a choice between EU membership or continue to be a tax haven, it is obvious the Irish would prefer to be a tax haven. More than 50% of Irish GDP is from doing tax evasion. 
The Irish apparently receive double what they give the EU in membership fees. This membership fee itself is probably funded by taking the tax money from EU countries. However, this is still peanuts compared to what the Irish get for helping the US companies shaft the EU.
When the digital tax comes into effect, my guess is that the Irish may try to leave the EU- as they will no longer be able to be a tax haven. However, it may be a futile exercise as the digital tax will ensure that each EU country is given its fair share of the corporate tax from US countries. So if countries base themselves in Ireland, they would have to pay corporate tax twice. It may actually be cheaper to be based in the UK which is outside of the EU jurisdiction. 
Various think tanks have their opinions about EU membership, however, they are just guesses. These financial experts cant even predict when a recession will happen, so it is just guestimates. 
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Dec 2019, 18:05
#48
27 Dec 2019, 18:05#48

@ceradyne

Cheers for that, I'll keep an eye out for his stuff in future. I see he's a Connacht man as well

@sharkbok

I'm aware that EU tax regulations due to come into effect in 2020 where cited as a reason for some Brexiteers wanting to get out of the EU this year even without a deal as they wanted to keep their tax dealings under the table.

What I'm saying is that before and after the referendum no brexit supporting party or campaign, campaigned on the grounds that the UK should leave the EU because other EU states like Ireland where/are stealing tax money that belonged to the UK. It never came up and was never a factor in leaves victory. 

The idea that Ireland would leave the EU just to be a tax haven is madness. Think about it for just a second. Outside the EU even if Ireland set the corporate tax rate to 0% how attractive would Ireland be to put major investment into?. A market of 4.6 million instead of being in a market of 400+ million. Not to mention Ireland how badly Irish trade would be affected with the rest of the EU, tariff free trade with the EU gone and the loss of access to the EU's 50 or 60 trade deals it already has with the rest of the world.

Where are you coming up with Ireland receiving double what it gets in EU money than it pays in. In terms of  membership fee we are a net contributor now, but the fee is a complete and utter red herring. All contributing member nations more than make up for the membership free via unrestricted trade with the rest of the EU.

Sorry mate, try telling the average Irish citizen or politician that Ireland will leave the EU, due to potential changes to digital tax law in the short to mid term future. The majority would laugh and think your mad I'm afraid.

Your last paragraph is another variation of the Brexiteer classic "we are sick of experts". The whole world financial system is based on being able to predict the markets and the experts for the most part largely we do, the world couldn't be as it is now if they could not. The mass exodus of firms leaving the UK for elsewhere in the EU due to Brexit was predicted and is occuring. Everytime during the withdrawal agreement negotiations when it looked like a no deal may occur, the British pound tanked. Everytime it looked like a deal was likely the pound shot back up. Its no just think tanks, its international credit agencies downgrading the UK credit rating, its the UK governments own reports, its warnings from professional's in the health sector, its that both the leaders of the trade unions and employers have the same concerns etc.

If these same people where pro Brexit, the Brexiteers would of course have no issue with what they where saying. Its just the Brexiteers have so few experts in their corner backing them all they can say is the warnings are project fear and claim experts sometimes get things wrong therefore all the warnings should be ignored. Its not a very compelling argument in my opinion.



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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
27 Dec 2019, 18:35
#49
27 Dec 2019, 18:35#49
@Stav,Ireland may find themselves being thrown out of the EU if they continue helping the American corporates do tax evasion at the expense of the EU. If Ireland play by the rules they will lose more than 50% of their GDP, hence why I see conflict in the future. 
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Dec 2019, 18:55
#50
27 Dec 2019, 18:55#50

@sharkbok

That's why the EU was backing Ireland's Brexit position to the hilt, because they want to kick them out a few years down the road..hmm not likely in my opinion. 

There has been many disputes between the EU and the member states over various rules and laws. Just because there is a conflict between them doesn't mean a member state gets kicked out. If that was the case the EU would have long since collapsed.




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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
27 Dec 2019, 19:45
#51
27 Dec 2019, 19:45#51
@Stav, what do you mean backing Irelands position on Brexit. Brexit is to do with Britain, Ireland are irrelevant in the decision. Northern Ireland will become part of the Republic, and this could not happen sooner.
Ireland's tax evasion fun in the sun is near the end. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Dec 2019, 22:45
#52
27 Dec 2019, 22:45#52

@sharkbok

Ireland could never accept any version of Brexit that caused a land border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. That became the defacto EU position as well and it was the primary sticking point in withdrawal agreement negotations. Eventually the UK conceded on that issue and agreed to have the border in the Irish sea. The EU defended a members state interest above short term financial gain.


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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
28 Dec 2019, 01:36
#53
28 Dec 2019, 01:36#53

Its high time that Northern Ireland joined up with the Republic of Ireland.  This type of stuff should not factor in any deal that the UK agrees with the EU.  

If any trouble starts up again, it should between the Irish alone. The UK has bigger fish to fry, and there is no need to get bogged down by this tribal political stuff.  Once it is clear the UK has abandoned the Protestants, they will realise they have to decide their own future in NI. 

The primary focus for the UK should be ensuring that all tax money is collected from US Corporations. The EU will need to enforce digital tax and other newer laws which ensure US companies pay their fair share of sales tax based on their income each respective  EU members.

If Switzerland is not part of the EU because of its personal tax fraud, then the same rules should apply to the Irish for corporate tax evasion.

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