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SEX SELECTIVE ABORTION: New Zealand Prime Minister Used Wuhan Virus Pandemic to Sneak World’s Most Radical Abortion Legislation Under Kiwis’ Noses

Started by Beeno152 REPLIES740 VIEWS· 27 Apr 2020, 12:21
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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
28 Apr 2020, 15:46
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28 Apr 2020, 15:46#41
clevermike

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Apr 28, 2020, 15:07

English is not your strong point is it?   The 20 week issue and in fact all abortions contained in legislation are based on  prescribed conditions where abortions may be made - it was not and never intended to be a free-for-all.  

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What does this have to do with English? It is a question of morality and legality. Just because one country has a 20-week rule- it does not mean that it is ethically correct or incorrect. Laws themselves change over time which proves they cant always be correct. 

20 weeks is far into a pregnancy - it is halfway through. (seems pretty much free for all). If you think abortion is murder, what is the difference between 15 weeks or 25 weeks? 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
28 Apr 2020, 15:57
#42
28 Apr 2020, 15:57#42

There we go again. Change direction. Back to religion. I have told you my position. You are the one who do not have the balls to make a stand. 

Check your very first post. 

“ 1. A condom. This prevents fertilisation of an egg. Is this an abortion? Probably not...


2. Monthly Birth control pill. 
3. The day after pill. If women have sex and take a pill the day after, the egg has been fertilised - and the pregnancy has begun. Technically is this an abortion - albeit an early one. 
4. Different stages of development of the egg into a baby. 
5. Anytime before a baby is delivered from the womb.

Certainly, a contentious issue... “

You did not have the balls to take a firm stand on any of those issues, yet you have the audacity to stand and tap your foot at me. 

Then you take what I said and make your own fucked up interpretation of what it and once again start tapping your foot for an answer, like an angry nanny again. 

You are a joke. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
28 Apr 2020, 16:11
#43
28 Apr 2020, 16:11#43
Finally some direct honest answers to questions, instead of pussyfooting around. It took some time but were are finally here.
 Read this thread - my opinions on the matter are very clear. I do believe abortion should be allowed within the context of the world population growing too fast for economies to sustain, and for making sure other life on earth does not go extinct as the result of overpopulation of one species.
I explained the answer is eduction to help reduce unplanned pregnancies - the third world, especially Africa has a major problem here. The medium-term goal is to develop third world societies to use contraceptive - instead of resorting to abortions as the solution to an unplanned pregnancy. 
I especially believe the morning after pill should be allowed - but contraceptive is a better option as it means no form of abortion. 
I said it is a tough call - but I have made my call - and I have been honest and direct about it. 
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XaviPro1,924 posts
28 Apr 2020, 16:21
#44
28 Apr 2020, 16:21#44

One abortion worldwide every second.

https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

May as well let Covid19 run its course if you're worried about over population.

People=Shit

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
28 Apr 2020, 16:32
#45
28 Apr 2020, 16:32#45
@Xavi, not right yet
However lets say in 200 hundred years if the whole earth has become the third world or worse - a 10th world - and most other life is extinct to feed one species- then I do believe a virus killing most to all of humanity is a better option. 
With evolution, there is bound to be other intelligent - or more intelligent life in the future. It has taken over 1 billion years for life to get to the current stage, but only 5 million for humans to develop fro m chimps. At one stage human ancestors were rats, so anything could happen in the future.That aside, why should other life be going extinct for one species... 
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Apr 2020, 16:59
#46
28 Apr 2020, 16:59#46

Shark has a stupid habit of calling people Christians when their arguments have nothing to do with religious beliefs.

Basically, disagree with Shark and you're a church goer. 

Disingenuous indeed.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Apr 2020, 10:29
#47
29 Apr 2020, 10:29#47

There won't be any more evolving as far as humans are concerned.

Evolution requires natural selection through selective pressures.

Very few of those still exist. Medical science and engineering have seen to that. With time, instead of growing immunity or naturally eradicating genes that are suceptible to ailments or situations, medicine and engineering will continue to breach the gap until it's closed completely. From an evolutionary standpoint anyway.

The next steps for humans are transhumanism and genetic selection. You select your child, with exactly the features you want,  from a pool of billions of fertilised eggs and then upgrade it with a plethora of chips, circuits, plugins and peripherals. 

"I'll never do that. It's evil."

Cool, but your neighbour will. Which means your kid will forever be at a disadvantage. It won't be about wanting to. It'll be about having to.

Follow that through to it's natural conclusion of an unlimited IQ society fitted with as many extra senses as is affordable and as much processing power as Intel can supply, then you realise that the human future is nothing at all like the human present.

A 500iq person, fitted with hard drives and processing chips that allow for photographic memory and computer like calculation accuracy is already an intimidating prospect. When you add the ability to hear all sound frequency and to see and receive all other spectrums...then you start to see the picture of what is currently partly possible and will be entirely possible in the near future. What that generation comes up with and where they steer humanity is anyone's guess. The only certainty is that we'll have much more in common with rats than we will with what humans will be.

Evolutionary principles may only be valid as relates to bio-mimicry and simulation. Natural selection in it's pure form, as far as humans go...totally irrelevant.

Sounds like doom and gloom?

Not to me. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the idea of natural humans becoming extinct at all. The idea of cyborgs is as frightening to me as it is to everybody else.

It's when one looks the bigger picture, the much bigger picture, that things become vastly more acceptable.

Earth won't/can't sustain life forever. There is a deadline. The sun will kill us and everything else here. A long time from now, but that's the hard deadline. Between now and then, there will be many soft deadlines, each of which need to be overcome if we want our species to survive. Our habitat is, as far as we know, the exception to the rule in terms of what our galaxy and the universe at large is comprised of. We live in the 0.00000000000000000000......1%. Anywhere else would kill us.

Present humananity struggles to overcome challenges posed within our habitable environment, and that doesn't bode well for our chances against the universe at large.

While a transhuman future is not a pretty prospect, the innovation and advancement that it will bring may be our only hope at sustaining the species in the long term. Which is, I guess, the goal.

 





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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Apr 2020, 12:52
#48
29 Apr 2020, 12:52#48

Yes Plum, that's the purely naturalistic options at present...but what if there really is a God and he intervenes?...and what about other advances in science other than physicsandelectronics? Tesla is not even dead a 100 years. What will the next Tesla, Edison or Einstein discover? The possibilities remain endless and things can change in the blink of an eye...for better or worse...life is still a lottery...but it's time we get rid of the yoke.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Apr 2020, 13:07
#49
29 Apr 2020, 13:07#49

@Draad, Plum. The big challenge ATM, IMO, is to store as much electricity in as small a space/“container” for as long as possible. 

I don’t know what progress has been made with graphene. Last I knew it was still not quite an economical enough option. 




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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Apr 2020, 13:20
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29 Apr 2020, 13:20#50

If there is a God and he intervenes, then he does. Attempting to speculate on the consequences of such an eventuality is impossible, for me at least.

Einstein had an IQ under 200.  Tesla's was estimated around 200, give or take a few points. From memory, the highest on record was around the 250-275 mark.

Gene selection will make these types of IQs appear low. When it's cracked, nobody knows what the limit for IQ may be. Perhaps energy constraints, since the brain burns quite hot, may be a limiting factor. Momentarily anyway.

Once you add in artificial upgrades...Tesla and Enstein will be remembered as high achieving naturals.

It all seems like things for the distant future. When you visit the patent registry , you quickly come to understand that USBs connected to nervous systems, relevant calibration software and peripherals are already in the making.

I'm not for or against this because I don't know enough about it, but it appears almost certain that technology will be much more influential than evolution in terms of what humans become.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Apr 2020, 13:33
#51
29 Apr 2020, 13:33#51

Draad, here's one example of a case where hacking the nervous system is done. The motivation being medical in nature. So, in a sense, defensive.

These type of technologies will become offensive. Here, it'll be possible to use them to "improve" as opposed to simply maintain, through the use of peripheral add-ons.

Strangely, much of it flies under the radar. 

https://bigthink.com/ideafeed/medical-devices-plug-into-your-nervous-system?


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Apr 2020, 14:20
#52
29 Apr 2020, 14:20#52

Interesting article exploring noble ideas. Like everything else in life, it will probably be use for neforous reasons too horrible to imagine. I'ts difficult to draw the line between good advancement and "evil", even if you don't believe in a "Higher Purpose". 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Apr 2020, 17:08
#53
29 Apr 2020, 17:08#53

You are dealing with a double issue here - the one is birth control and the other one is abortion,  Abortion will always have moral question marks and for Governments to use abortion a means to control the world population could also mean it could lead to authorizing mass murder of people,  I do not trust Governments to do that.

There is the real necessity to reduce population growth and abortion is not what the Governments should be used as a means to achieve that,  A possible solution is to enforce sterilization after a given number of children - preferably not more than 2 per family, 

But how do one deal with it in places like Africa and  other similar areas?  And will it actually work?

I am more inclined to believe that nature have other means to deal with issues,   And there is also the issue of wars which  seems inevitable  when resources runs low,  With present weaponry and means hundreds of millions or even billions of people will die in such wars and the after effects of such wars, 

I do not think the present world leaders have any ideas how to deal with the problem and if they have they are too afraid to speak out in public about it and end up in an asylu m for doing it. ,   

   

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