So America bombed a Girls school killing 150+ in Iran?

That's why the insane claims to Greenland.

Of course.... because the world is just so black and white to you ... so you are either a full on peace proponent or you are high-fiving every bomb drop with a side of "oopsie daisy" on any civilian casualties...

Clearly there is no room in that messy middle ground where people can support a conflict for very complex reasons, but still get upset by any innocent lives lost.

How dare we navigate the nightmares of these kind of wars with actual human complexity.

Well done M.....you have cracked the code on compassion..... but at least try and keep it honest

Very well said.

There are some very clear choices here.

There is no grey area when it comes to invading another country or not. There's no middle ground where you "sort of, kind of half-invaded".

You support this invasion. I don't.

Your country's Congress didn't approve this war. Nor did they sanction Venezuela. This is all Bozo. Your hero. It's all on him . . . and the people who voted the dangerous clown into power.

Operation Epic Fail.

So don’t invade any country because there will always be casualties. Which means if there is an alliance between the military and a radical minority party, probably based on religion as in Iran, that situation is memorialized.

M

Use google to look up what an ESS is. If you're too lazy, then read below.

Imagine a group of pigeons. They compete for mating rights. Currently, that population of pigeons has a strategy whereby the males scrap it out and the one that is the most dominant and wins his fights gets to mate and pass on his genes.

The pigeons that are the biggest normally win the most. Over time, a ritual develops where the males will do some display before they fight and instead of fighting, the one that is shown to have the biggest biceps generally gets the other pigeon to forfeit the fight without either of them risking actually fighting. Slowly, this becomes the main strategy. Now the pigeon population no longer fights for mating rights but instead they pose and flex their biceps. So, size is now selected for instead of fighting ability.

They went from a population of fighters to a population of posers.

Right when the pigeon population is fully saturated with posers, along comes one pigeon that isn't the biggest and wouldn't win in a posing battle, but he wont just lay down either. He decides he's gonna fight. As the larger pigeon begins his posing routine, the smaller pigeon gets stuck into him and fucks him up. On doing so he now wins mating rights. And so the pigeon population moves back towards become one that fights for mating rights.

Why am i telling you this?

I'm telling you this because of this statement...

"My opinion, I condemn war far more than you."

The ESS, swinging from one strategy to another and then back to the first is a dynamic that plays out in biology, economics, psychology, geopolitics, commerce, fashion...basically everywhere. As one strategy becomes dominant it creates incentive to utilise a previously successful strategy. Back and forth.

When you proclaim how much you despise war, it's as though you somehow think the rest of us love it. We don't. Nobody does. We just understand that war is a part of being a human. Now, you can swing your peace loving credentials in front of us as much as you like, but at the end of the day, what happens when the entire world becomes a population of peace lovers who never want to fight?

Yep, you guessed it, along comes a little country that doesn't give two shits about your peace loving ways because they are willing to go to war for what they want. And because you have been so peace loving for so long, and you are so out of practice in fighting and making war, that that little country rolls up and kicks your country's arse to kingdom come.

What's is the solution?

Well, you are forced to re-learn how to fight, how to make war and how to protect what is yours.

..or stay peaceful and cry about how much you hate war and forfeit your existence.

When you so proudly virtue signal about how much you hate war, I wonder if you think the rest of us are of lower moral than you are and I also actually wonder if you know anything about human nature.

Plum, I get your analogy, but you’re missing the point. I’m not saying peace is weak or naive. I condemn wars started for fake reasons, for greed, for power...wars where innocent people die unnecessarily.

That doesn’t make me a pacifist who won’t defend what’s right. I see the morality and the intentions behind actions. I don’t reduce human life and decisions to a pigeon game of strategy and survival.

Just because I oppose wars with false agendas doesn’t mean I can’t fight when it’s righteous or necessary. Don’t mistake my condemnation for weakness.

I hear you M.

This war is all about Bozo.

All the news broadcasts are talking about the widening war.

Didn't the clown say it was won already?

"That’s pure contradiction. You can’t have it both ways. If you truly cared about civilians, you’d condemn the war from the start instead of shrugging and saying “accidents happen" or "War isn't Perfect" or "Human lives is Collateral Damage""

...and if you truly cared about civilians you would care about stopping the regime that was murdering them.

We've established that negotiations and sanctions have not and will not work.

So give us an actual strategy then.

What is your solution?

"That is why this war and every War is a fuck up! Just another unfortunate statistic, what utter BS...I don't buy it. Trump and his Cronies are conscienceless tyrants."

The above is the reason I brought up the ESS and you moral grandstanding. You literally say every war is a "fuck up".

So, if you live in your dreamy peaceful country on your utopian continent where peace rules, and then some country attacks you, or another country, and starts killing people...and now you are forced into war. Is it a "fuck up" and do you become evil the moment your forces accidentally kill a civilian?

China and Russia's disregard for international norms and practices has resulted in them growing their economies while the West are picking up the bill....if nothing is done about it, they will grow strong enough to just subvert anyone without firing a shot...Imagine that...having your way of life been taken away from you and having the majority's way forced on you?...oh wait, it's already happened in the whole of Africa...

"Trump is running from the Epstein files, delaying midterm elections, and after the oil. His administration admitted in a statement, claiming it should be out of terrorists’ hands.

That will never happen ... I'm not a betting man, but I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is...

Recent developments, the new Ayatollah vows to fight and avenge the martyrs while in Michigan, a car drives into a synagogue. If there was a bomb, thankfully it didn't go off.

Oh and at the time of writing, Iran is deciding which ships are allowed to sail through the Straits of Hormuz.

So much winning!

Plum, if my peaceful country, let’s call it the Republic of Marijuana, was attacked and people were being killed, then of course we would defend ourselves. That is a defensive war.

Protecting your people is not the same thing as starting wars for political games, power, land, or resources.

My problem is with wars driven by hypocritical leaders and hidden agendas, not with genuine self-defense.

And even in a defensive war, civilian deaths are still a tragedy. I would try to keep war away from civilian areas as much as possible.

That’s one reason I dislike bombing so much, because it happens right in the middle of civilian infrastructure.

Ideally, if governments were serious about protecting people, they would first remove ALL civilians from combat zones before fighting.

This is officially one of my solutions from now on for future wars.

Then the two militaries can Fuck each other up if they must, without turning ordinary people into “collateral damage”.

So no, I’m not saying never defend yourself. I’m saying wars for dishonest reasons and wars that casually accept civilian deaths are where I draw the line.

"Recent developments, the new Ayatollah vows to fight and avenge the martyrs while in Michigan, a car drives into a synagogue. If there was a bomb, thankfully it didn't go off.

Oh and at the time of writing, Iran is deciding which ships are allowed to sail through the Straits of Hormuz.

So much winning!"

He was probably already calling the shots...his father was a sick old man ...and Iran has been plotting terror against the US and their allies for years...yes, there will be consequences, but rather now than later when God forbid, they get their hands on a nuke...if there is any chance of neutralizing them now, it should be taken.

M, why do you think there was a arms depot right next to a school?

Attack is the best defence.

"Protecting your people is not the same thing as starting wars for political games, power, land, or resources."

So you'll only defend yourself once trouble comes right to your door?

"Ideally, if governments were serious about protecting people, they would first remove ALL civilians from combat zones before fighting."

Are you suggesting that the US ask Iran nicely to clear the area? Or do you think the US has the ability to move Iranians out of the way?

In real-world situations, it’s entirely possible to fight wars away from civilians.

I know that because nowadays, with everything so mixed together in populated areas, it’s harder than in the olden days with open fields, but nothing is impossible.

A designated area for warfare can be set if proper planning is done. Modern warfare has become cowardly...dropping bombs instead of facing the enemy directly...and that’s what kills civilians.

My suggestions, like all my other points, are my ideas and opinions, on how it could be done better.

Regarding self-defense, if I have credible and solid information that another country or an rogue group is planning to attack me, then yes, I can prepare or strike before they strike me.

But that is not the case with the Iran war. There is no proof that Iran was going to attack Isreal or the United States.

In fact, America wasn’t even directly involved. The attack was driven by Netanyahu that has been targeting Iran and Palestine for a long time already. We all know there has been on going war in those regions, for a long time already.

Trump was roped in because I believe Netanyahu has dirt on him because of the epstein files. Also the IDF couldn't do it alone.

History shows Isreal has always expanded through violence. AI research: show that Maps from the 1930 - 1940 show that what is now Israel was originally Palestine.

And all of the other Arabic countries was part of that huge landmass Palestine.

There: Arabs, Jews, Muslims, Arab Christians, Druze, Bedouins, Kurds all lived together peacefully.

Then in 1947 thru help from the UN, Isreal broke away and formed Isreal.

And as soon as they did that, they declared war in 1948 and started there long lasting feud against all other Muslim and Arabic countries.

Netanyahu sees these areas as Isreal territory and conquering them, is his biggest motive.

Using war for ulterior motives, like land grabs or political power, is completely different...and that is where I draw the line.

Then in 1947 thru help from the UN, Isreal broke away and formed Isreal.

And as soon as they did that, they declared war in 1948 and started there long lasting feud against all other Muslim and Arabic countries.

1. Independence and War (1948): Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, and the surrounding Arab states invaded on May 15, 1948, officially beginning the interstate war. Wikipedia +5

Just keeping it real.

• In 1947, the UN proposed dividing Mandatory Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jewish leadership accepted; Arab leaders rejected it.

Encyclopedia Britannica

• When the State of Israel was declared in 1948, war broke out between the new state and surrounding Arab armies. Large numbers of Palestinians were displaced during that war.

- Ah OK I see...A simple correction would've worked fine, Mr. Keeping it real:)

Nope again, war didn’t ’break out’ the Arab states invaded the new State of Israel the day after it was approved in the UN. They also invaded 7 other times.

Major Instances of Arab Invasions and Attacks:

1. 1948 Arab-Israeli War (May 15, 1948): Immediately after Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, following the British withdrawal, five neighboring Arab nations invaded. These forces included Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon.
2. Pre-Invasion: Arab paramilitary forces and irregular troops (e.g., Arab Liberation Army) initiated attacks in late 1947, blocking roads and attacking Jewish convoys.
3. 1956 Suez Crisis: While initiated by an Israeli invasion of Egypt, the context involved an ongoing, 1950s-era "Fedeyeen" insurgency, where Arab guerillas infiltrated from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria to attack Israeli civilians and soldiers.
4. 1967 Six-Day War (June 5–10, 1967): Following the buildup of Arab forces, blockade of the Straits of Tiran by Egypt, and a defense pact between Egypt and Jordan, Israel launched a preemptive strike. In response, Egypt, Jordan, and Syria launched attacks on Israel.
5. 1973 Yom Kippur War (October 6, 1973): On the Jewish holy day, Egypt and Syria launched a surprise, two-pronged attack on Israeli forces in the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights.
6. 1982 Lebanon War: Following sustained rocket and terror attacks on northern Israel by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) based in Lebanon, Israel invaded Lebanon to expel them.
7. 2006 Second Lebanon War: Hezbollah, based in Lebanon, launched a cross-border raid and rocket barrage, resulting in a 34-day conflict and a significant Israeli ground offensive into southern Lebanon.
8. 2023–Present Israel-Hamas War: On October 7, 2023, Hamas (operating from the Gaza Strip) launched a large-scale, coordinated attack into southern Israel, leading to a massive Israeli military response.
9. Britannica +4

Moz honestly, now you just being pedantic...I literally copy and pasted that off Google, it's not my own words...so no need to act like you’re correcting me on a technicality.

Why are my opinions lying and despicable, and yours not? We are debating,

Simple....because you said that Trump supporters in particular were not displaying much or any dissapointment or expressing condolences or sympathy regarding the school bombing, or some words similar to that, which was an outright lie from you.

You call my words “empty” or “drivel" yet you don’t even debate my points. You dismiss what I say instead of answering, and you decide it’s lies.

Because you basically accused the Trump supporters as uncaring or unsympathetic people regarding the accidental bombing of that school, saying that they did not condone it, or something along those lines....which was absolute bullshit....so yeah, that is drivel and lies...... it is what it is.... and if you need to start resorting to doing that in a simple debate, I start losing interest because of the dishonesty.

Who’s really talking drivel here? And you have the audacity to preach to me about Honesty??

If the shoe fits

And now you tell me I show no sympathy or empathy? Really? Last night I posted all those figures, Hiroshima, Iran, Iraq, etc. I left out Nagasaki and the Holocaust, but i condemn those atrocities to.

It was sarcasm M...... meaning, if I don't see that you have posted something about it somewhere on this forum, it does not now mean that I can accuse you of not showing any sympathy or empathy towards a certain cause.... I thought you might have caught on to that.... but clearly not.

My opinion, I condemn war far more than you. Your opinion, I don’t have emotions for fellow human beings.

Well that was exactly my point.... just because I don't openly condemn something on this forum, does not mean I don't condemn or agree with it at all..... it just means that I have not yet posted an opinion on that specific subject or topic......which is precisely what my sarcastic comment towards you was aimed at doing

Well, that comes from a person who showed little to zero emotion for René Good, who was Murdered by that ICE agent.

Well..... I didn't see you show any emotion at all for George Floyd, Charlie Kirk or Iryna Zarutska either, so you must be a stone cold human being with no feelings whatsoever.

Also, in this Iran war, you’ve always sided with authority and war. Yet again, it’s a contradiction to call me a liar.

Huh?

But ok, that’s your opinion and you have the right to it, just like I have the right to my opinions. Just don’t conveniently forget that and then call be dishonest or a liar, DA.

Read your own posts carefully, and then read the posts that Trump supporters have been making about that school bombing...... so yes....... you lied ....you were dishonest..... and I pointed it out to you......it really is that simple.

Ideally, if governments were serious about protecting people, they would first remove ALL civilians from combat zones before fighting.

This is officially one of my solutions from now on for future wars.

This honestly made me laugh ....just being honest

Nothing says they are serious about protecting their civilians ..... than teleporting millions of people out of their homes, jobs, schools, farms, hotels, hospitals....and even Grandma's basement, in advance of a war, just in case some politicians decide...."Ok, it's go time"

Governments around the world are already so well known for their flawless preemptive war relocation plans

From now on, let's just politely ask both sides involved in the conflict.... if they don't mind pausing the war, just so they can Uber everyone to safety first .....

DA, I don't think there's anyone who thinks you Trumpanzees are uncaring, unsympathetic, stupid or evil people.

We're just saying that you have put all your faith and trust into a person who is uncaring, unsympathetic, stupid and evil.

You've been brainwashed . . . indocrinated, groomed, taken in . . . whatever word you prefer. If you still can't see through Bozo's bullshit then I'm sorry to say, you're burying your head in the sand.

Doesn't mean I think you're a bad person. I don't. I have no doubt you're a very decent person and I know you're smart . . . outside of being a Bozo apologist, of course.

Gonna take some time to get used to a more reasonable Rooinek.

"You've been brainwashed . . . indocrinated, groomed, taken in . . . whatever word you prefer. If you still can't see through Bozo's bullshit then I'm sorry to say, you're burying your head in the sand."

We see through the BS, but we're also not blind to the positives...

Oh right . . . the positives. I'd forgotten about those.

Let's see . . . the war is costing the US $1bn per day, the only regime change has been to put an even worse (and younger and healthier) madman in charge, inflation is up, the price of oil is up, Americans are losing their lives, Iranian schoolgirls are dead, Tehran and Beitut are getting levelled, oil can't get through the Straits and the world is heading for a recession.

So many positives. So much winning!

Let's talk in 2 months time.

We see through the BS, but we're also not blind to the positives...

Correct

"We see through the BS, but we're also not blind to the positives..."

What positives are you actually talking about DB??

From news sources:

As of March 17, 2026, the US-based Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRANA) reports that 1,330 civilians have been killed, including at least 206 children, along with 1,122 military personnel. An additional 613 people have died whose civilian or military status has not yet been determined. (CNN)

Iran's Health Ministry puts the total at at least 1,444 people killed and 18,551 injured by US-Israeli strikes since February 28, including 11 healthcare workers among the dead.

(Al Jazeera)

Iran's government spokesperson has also said that US-Israeli strikes damaged more than 42,000 civilian sites across Iran, including homes, schools, and hospitals. (Al Jazeera)

This includes that pearl: of bombing a school where more than 200 school children died.

• Straight of Hormuz are compromised.

• Global economic impact.

• Younger more aggressive Regime leader.

• No end to this Illegal War in sight.

Ja Sure DB, keep selling the positives...

Now it seems like more and more evidence is coming forward that the school bombing was due to outdated intelligence from the USA, which resulted in them using a Tomahawk missile on the structure.......just incredibly sad.

China, never one to miss an opportunity, has been very quick on the propaganda side of things by already offering compensation for the victims and their families for the "indiscriminate missile attack" on the school.

I hope that these families do get some kind of compensation from the US, like what happend to some families in Afghanistan .....

What a real shame that this had to happen to all these innocent kids and their parents.

Where's the admission?

Where's the apology?

There won't be either because the clown responsible for these tragic deaths is an uncaring, amoral, pathetic little child.

Empowered by liberals who also are also apathetic, cruel and sadist. Donald Trump is no one without the transfer of power from his liberal support.

Liberals who play the card of financial compensation all paid in USD, that means Iranians are going to pay for the dead inflicted by the US. Very funny.

Let's talk in 2 months time.

Same answer as usual. With no speculation associated to it, it is empty. Things will happen in two months and liberals will paint them as positive, no matter what. This happened for every single occurrence the delay card was played. Wait for this, wait for that and liberals always come to the same conclusion: everything that happened was positive.

What to expect in 2 month time, what the expected benefits/drawbacks are. Simple to deliver.

On this board, one poster does it quite often. With success.