Looks like we're leaning towards "regime change" as the reason then.
So what about Bozo's very first reaction . . . "he was going to hit me first"?
Is there a single Trumpanzee among you who will admit Bozo was lying when he said that?
Just one?
Just as he was lying about "obliterating" Iran's nuclear capabilty in 2025.
How is it you Trumpanzees can't see through this bullshit?
Okay so I ask Chat what a tight spend only in Europe number would be:
? $20 billion per year
This is the portion of U.S. defense spending that:
So we reduce the $100 billion to $20 billion….which reduces the gift to $ 7.5 trillion. But if we use actual returns rather than real returns we get this:
? $187 trillion
If a $5.9 B payment in 1945 (growing with inflation to about $100 B today) had instead been invested in the U.S. stock market each year through 2025, the accumulated value would be roughly:
? $180–190 trillion
So using actual returns we get $180 trillion at the low end…..divide that by 5 to use only US money spent in Europe and we get….$36 trillion.
The gift is $36 trillion using stricter expenditure definitions.
But of course that doesn’t really give the whole picture does it? With the NATO alliance and common interest both parties benefit from some part of any dollar spent. And here’s what’s been spent since the war:
This means:
$20–25 trillion (2025 dollars)
A vast number…and while this has been spent in US interest, Europe has always been far more at risk. Take that differential in spending and invest it in the US economy and you get multiples of $35 trillion.
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So no, even though you reach out to Chat to make all your arguments. We come back to the same place. The US has funded European security with every dollar spent. And that expenditure vastly outweighed European expenditure.
If Europe paid its fair share, displacing US payments….the minimum benefit is $35 trillion and all the security benefits for the West stay intact.
Perhaps you should try to think for yourself, you are asking Chat the wrong questions. Garbage in… garbage out
Mozart, forget Chat for a sec and tell me why you think your country is at war?
Not what's being told or said, what you really think.
Ou Maaik, why do you think the US is at war?
Let me guess . . . it's all Biden's fault, right? Spare me that and tell if you think the US is waging war because they want regime change, because there is an imminent threat or because Bozo thinks it will help him win the mid-terms?
Or just plain oil . . . again.
Holy shit...people scalped the bajeezus out of the oil price over the last 24 hours.
At 4am it was up to $115...it's now just under 20 hours later and it's down to $90.
Tell you what Stavie, you should put your money where your mouth is because if you're predicting $150, then a nice little 5x leverage trade from here could see you cash in quite nicely.
I'm thinking it's going all the way back down to $80.
Just gone 94.7.
It's going to rocket.
Most Europeans want America's army to leave Europe. We dont need them.
Europe has been in its most peaceful period in history - at least until Putin invaded Ukraine.
America has bases all over the world. This is not some charity service. It gives America a strategic position all around the world. For example, America attacked Iran from bases all over the Middle East.
America is also the largest arms dealer in the world, and they make a lot of money on the back of military bases in various countries.
Under Biden, America initially committed resources towards Ukraine
Under Trump, that ended very abruptly. Europe now purchases weapons from America for Ukraine.
Trump supports Putin over Ukraine- and repeatedly tries to get them to agree to Putin's terms (e.g. surrender the Donbas - with no security guarantee.
Trump/America need to step out of the European negotiations. We will deal with Putin.
As it stands now, Europe will soon have its own Army. Trillions have been invested.
European countries are now getting their own nukes with their own independent charters from NATO or even the EU.
European countries (and others like Canada) are now cancelling their negotiations/contracts for American weapons, preferring self-sufficiency. Soon, we will ask America to remove its nukes from Europe.
Okay so I ask Chat what a tight spend only in Europe number would be:
FFS man, can you ever stop trying to divert. Whinge all you want about Europe, the US-Israeli attacks on Iran have nothing to do with Europe expect how knock on effects are gonna screw Europe.
The US elected Trump. I said back at the time he won the election, the US was gonna have to own the consequences of electing him, because the American public knew what he was from the first term, all the flaws, all the stupidity, all the incompetence, all the horrendous personality traits, all the vulgarity, but they didn't care what the consequences would be for the other half of America and the rest of world by electing arguably the singularly most unsuitable man on the planet to the office of US President and making him the most powerful individual on the planet . They just thought they Trump would make them better off financially and nothing else mattered.
So now here with are with Trump taking the US to war with Iran for no clear reason and no clear objective. Well if the US breaks the middle east, they can own this mess. I suppose the Trump supporters don't care about the damage this is doing to the US reputation, or how anyone could place any trust in them when they are such an erratic destabilizing force around the world, If the US was just a middle ranking country in terms of power and wasn't a lynchpin of the world economy were everyone had to trade with them and was trying to act like they are present the rest of the world would be treating it like North Korea, an absolutely basket case of a country that is dangerous and would need to be isolated.
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Tell you what Stavie, you should put your money where your mouth is because if you're predicting $150, then a nice little 5x leverage trade from here could see you cash in quite nicely.
Well it's not my prediction it, that's what some experts are predicting if the war drags on till the end of the month.
If Trump stops the war in the next few days then I'm sure oil won't got to $150. But it will remain at an elevated price for some time.
However if Trump stops the war in the next few days and declares a 'very complete' victory, what's he achieved cause it's as sure shit won't be regime change.
Operation Epic Fail.
America used to be a Democratic government where decisions were spread out over multiple people to gain consensus. This helped ensure the correct course of action was taken. Now this bumbling idiot has appointed loyalists like Putin, so Trump gets to control every decision.
Now Trump is panicking as he has seen his war against Iran has screwed up the whole world economy.
He never anticipated that energy would increase so much, and so quickly. A bumbling idiot.
The air and missile attacks wil stop when the A yatollah Regime negotiate to stop terrorism worldwide, stop therr efforts to get nuclear bombs and stop their primative regime attack on the people of Iran.
America's two special military operation goals have been achieved:
What actually happened:
Now more than ever Iran will be motivated to get nukes. Ditto the rest of the world.
Trump wont invade North Korea or Russia because they have nukes.
America used to be a Democratic government where decisions were spread out over multiple people to gain consensus. This helped ensure the correct course of action was taken. Now this bumbling idiot has appointed loyalists like Putin, so Trump gets to control every decision.
Total BS fronm a supreme idiot,
Trump knowds more about th e impac of esrare has on the economy, He is not paniocking about anything .
I'm watching this clown talking now . . . Putin apparently told him he's never seen anything like this before . . . no-one has.
Now he's on about rigged elections again.
Now he's saying Operation Epic Fail was to remove their nuclear capability.
Didn't he "obliterate" that capability in 2025? Didn't he boast about that already?
Again, was he lying then or is he lying now?
He thinks the US is helping everyone. Russia, China, everyone. It's incredible. No-one's ever seen anything like ot before.
All the deceased American troops parents told him to "finish the job" . . . every one of them.
Let's not forget the guy in charge of Operation Epic Fail is not actually a military man at all . . . he's a Fox News co-host.
What is the likelihood of this happening:
"Retired Lt. Col. Tony Aguilar is basically warning that the current U.S. and Israeli military actions against Iran could spiral into something much bigger, potentially even involving tactical nuclear strikes.
He’s highlighting vulnerabilities like the limits of missile defenses and exposed carriers, while also pointing out the economic impact—oil above $100 a barrel and rising gas prices.
On the other hand, Pentagon officials are downplaying the nuclear risk, insisting strikes remain conventional, and many experts see Aguilar’s warnings as speculative.
It’s the kind of scenario where both perspectives have weight: Aguilar is cautious, emphasizing worst-case escalation, while officials want to calm markets and avoid panic.
The real concern is that in high-tension conflicts, miscalculations can have unexpected consequences."
The right plane for nuclear deployment is already there:
Current U.S. bomber deployments in the Iran war
• The B?52 Stratofortress heavy bomber has been sent and used to strike targets in Iran as part of the U.S. air campaign. It’s one of the long?range bombers hitting missile infrastructure and military installations.
• Along with B?52s, the U.S. Air Force is using B?1B Lancer bombers and B?2 Spirit stealth bombers in strike missions against Iranian targets.
defensenews.com +1
Defense News +1
About the B?52 and nuclear weapons
• The B?52 is technically nuclear?capable in U.S. service (meaning in other contexts it could carry nuclear bombs), but in this conflict it’s being used with conventional weapons such as long?range cruise missiles and bombs, not nuclear ones.
• It’s a very old but still active bomber that can carry a very large load of munitions over long distances.
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Not necessarily regime change, but getting whoever is in charge toe the line or face the consequences... Venezuela wasn't a regime change...just a change of leader.
Epic Fail….on the first day of the conflict Iran launched 350 ballistic missiles, yesterday they launched 15. On the second day of the conflict they launched 540 drone attacks, yesterday they launched 12.
The Iranian sponsoring of terrorism, murdering of their own people, attempts to get a nuclear weapon, role in the unprovoked attack on Israel by sponsoring Hamas……these are the things a functional UN should have addressed. But there is no such entity so it falls to the American tax payer,
That’s why the US is at war…we are the only credible participant. Polls say we don’t want to be. So most politicians wouldn’t have touched it. But Trump for whatever set of reasons, is determined to fix these regional powder kegs. It’s a short term political loser.
FFS man, can you ever stop trying to divert. Whinge all you want about Europe, the US-Israeli attacks on Iran have nothing to do with Europe expect how knock on effects are gonna screw Europe
Europe is doing a great job of screwing itself….and hey, you don’t need oil, wind and solar will solve it all….relax.
But it’s nice Europe is finally increasing its military budget, $36 Trillion from the US tax payer is enough.
The school was a tragedy Blob...epic failure of either intel or execution, but it pales in comparison to what the Iranians have done over the years...kill thousands of their innocents this year alone ... they've held the world hostage for too long...end this once and for all... interesting how people will rather side with the Iranians and other tyrannical countries than concede that not every thing Trump is bad... it's not about Iran oil, it's about a stable open global oil market... sanctions on these rogue oil producers hurt the West more than it does these monsters...Ou Bob ...the Iranians are tjommies with our Vlad from Russia and are actively supporting the Russian effort in Ukraine...this war is just as much about putting pressure on Russia as anything else...part of the whole problem...
"Let's not forget the guy in charge of Operation Epic Fail is not actually a military man at all . . . he's a Fox News co-host."
Lol!
"Born
Peter Brian Hegseth
June 6, 1980 (age 45)
Minneapolis, Minnesota, U.S.
Party
Republican
Spouses
Meredith Schwarz
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?(m. 2004; div. 2009)?
Samantha Deering
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?(m. 2010; div. 2017)?
Jennifer Rauchet ?(m. 2019)?
Children
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Education
Princeton University (BA)
Harvard University (MPP)
Occupation
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Signature
Cursive signature in ink
Military service
Branch/service
United States Army
Army National Guard
Years of service
2003–2006
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District of Columbia Army National Guard
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Iraq War
War in Afghanistan
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Bronze Star (2)
Joint Service Commendation Medal
Army Commendation Medal (2)
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And degrees from Princeton and Harvard, but you focus on the few years at Fox...very balanced view Rooi.
Having said all that, I don't like him much...his infidelity and irresponsible drinking habits points to weakness....but you can't say he's not a military man.
Let's not forget the guy in charge of Operation Epic Fail is not actually a military man at all . . . he's a Fox News co-host.
Operation Epic Fury is a U.S.-led military campaign directed by President Donald J. Trump and executed by U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), commanded by Admiral Brad Cooper
. Launched on February 28, 2026, the operation targets Iranian military, drone, and nuclear infrastructure. Secretary of War Pete Hegseth is also involved in directing the operation's goals.
Cooper has fought in the Gulf, Afghanistan and Kosovo wars and is a Harvard graduate.
I assume you mean Hegseth is not a military man. He did a stint at Fox, but only after serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is an argument that he was unqualified. I actually made that argument on here and I’m still not convinced, but the man in charge Cooper is eminently qualified.
" Blob...epic failure of either intel or execution, but it pales in comparison to what the Iranians have done over the years...kill thousands of their innocents this year alone ... they've held the world hostage for too long...end this once and for all... interesting how people will rather side with the Iranians and other tyrannical countries than concede that not every thing Trump is bad... it's not about Iran oil, it's about a stable open global oil market... sanctions on these rogue oil producers hurt the West more than it does these monsters...Ou Bob "
Db...???
Europe is doing a great job of screwing itself….and hey, you don’t need oil, wind and solar will solve it all….relax.
I love the sheer stupidity of this argument. Hey Europe you know that energy commodity that has a tendency to spike massively in price every few years due to geopolitical events you can't foresee or control that in turn causes the continent of Europe to have major economic problems...you guys need to invest in it more heavily.
Absolute moron on cocaine logic.
Speaking of which.
But it’s nice Europe is finally increasing its military budget, $36 Trillion from the US tax payer is enough.
The sequel to finding Nemo.... It is now finding ButtPlug somewhere in the crowd. He has gone to save the Iranians, a one man strike force to find every wife beater.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DaUG_R6-On4
They are celebrating the son taking over the Supreme Leadership.
Like Vegas, "What happens in Iran, stays in Iran" (hopefully).
Many, many Iranians support a religious despot. Sure the poll ratings go down when 30,000 people are killed, but overall if their was a Democratic election the majority would vote for him as supreme leader.
Look at Hamas, they were Democratically elected in Palestine.
interesting how people will rather side with the Iranians and other tyrannical countries than concede that not every thing Trump is bad
No-one is siding with the tyrannical Iranian regime......the issue as far as I'm concerned is how Trump suddenly ditched diplomatic efforts in favour of bombing Iran which leads me to believe that there was no sincerity in his diplomatic efforts.
He'd struck a deal with Israel, going to war was a given.
"Trump suddenly ditched diplomatic efforts in favour of bombing Iran which leads me to believe that there was no sincerity in his diplomatic efforts."
He gave them more than enough time...it was going nowhere....they are masters of moving goal posts and buying more time...they had 45 years...same old same old...he warned the "Supreme Leader" months ago, maybe the next one takes the warning more seriously....notice how the Russian cohorts and allies is being taken out one at a time ...after Iran, Cuba, the ANC, Russia and the China will be next...China will be last... Russia in particular will be a dead duck as soon as the oil market has been stablized and Brent goes back to below $50...that will hit a dent in Russia's piggy bank as well as putting a stick in China's cheap energy competitive free ride....Cuba, SA and probably Brazil will get stung only to emphasize the message to Russia and China... they've been exploiting the effect of sanctions on oil for too long...this is gonna hit them hard economically....good.
I see Iran rejected an offer for unlimited nuclear fuel...wonder why?
"Db...???"
What was unclear?
"Many, many Iranians support a religious despot. Sure the poll ratings go down when 30,000 people are killed, but overall if their was a Democratic election the majority would vote for him as supreme leader."
And pigs fly...
We don't actually know if Iran would make the decision to build a nuclear bomb, and if the did the west would probably know about it before it's complete and could take steps to intervene then
Of course, we have absolutely no idea if Iran would ever build a nuclear bomb, it's just pure speculation.
After all, in 2018, Mossad agents literally walked into a Tehran warehouse like it was a library self-checkout, and cracked dozens of safes and walked out with over 100 000 documents of proof, including memos, videos and other files.
These files detailed their AMAD Project, complete with nuclear warhead designs, production plans, high explosive testing setups like the giant metal chamber at Parchin..... and also proof that they were actively pursuing atomic weapons until 2003 .... with all this knowledge professionally preserved and very carefully archived afterwards.
But sure.....Iran might never make "the decision" .....to build a nuclear weapon....... they just meticulously archived blueprints, videos and memos and files.... for a weapons program that they swore to world for decades... had never ever existed.
And the West would never 100% know the full extent of Iran's nuclear ambitions or progress, especially when you are relying on remote cameras to tell you what soil samples are being collected when nuclear inspections are being held....... I mean, how incredibly stupid and naive can you be, to trust someone who has just actively and continuously lied to the entire world about not following any nuclear program, and then telling them that you will take them by their word by monitoring their nuclear inspections via remote cameras...... fucking insane is what it is.
Good luck making an "honourable" deal with a country as dishonest as Iran.
"Good luck making an "honourable" deal with a country as dishonest as Iran."
Agree.
I also agree that you could just as easily say "Good luck making an "honourable" deal with a country as dishonest as the USA."
Wow:)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVsDw9kjjbb/?igsh=MWJtcGtzOG1sMzU0MQ==
Fack checking DA's comments. The evidence appears to suggest Iran stopped most of its nuclear weapons activity around 2003, and that it was not continuing during the Obama led deal
Parts of your comment are broadly aligned with what open sources say, and parts are overstated.
Yes. Evidence from the IAEA and the 2018 archive supports that Iran ran a structured weapons program (often called the AMAD Project) mainly before 2003, and preserved that know?how.
Key points:
So your description of the archive and of Iran having lied for years about never pursuing weapons is grounded in documented evidence, though the details (dates, extent) are more nuanced than “until 2003 and then nothing.”
On this point, your opening statement is essentially correct and matches current Western intelligence: we do not know Iran has decided to build a weapon.
So saying “we have absolutely no idea if Iran would ever build a nuclear bomb” is too strong – experts think Iran is keeping the option open – but we indeed lack firm evidence of a final decision to build and deploy weapons.
Here the situation is mixed. It is not as binary as “of course they would know” or “they’d be totally in the dark.”
What supports “we’d likely know”:
What undermines “we’d know in time and could easily intervene”:
So: the claim “the West would probably know something was happening” is plausible, but “would know enough, early enough, to reliably stop it” is not assured and is treated as a serious risk by most governments.
Your skepticism about trusting a state that has previously lied is understandable, but arms control is designed precisely for adversaries you do not trust.
So it is naive to rely on Iran’s word; it is not naive per se to use verification?heavy agreements as a way to constrain and monitor a hostile state you assume will cheat if it can.??
If you want, I can walk through what “breakout,” “sneak?out,” and “weaponization” mean in practical terms for Iran’s capabilities, and what kinds of signals would likely show up if Tehran did move toward an actual bomb.