So America bombed a Girls school killing 150+ in Iran?

So essentially.... that summary from sharkbok is precisely what I have been saying about Iran from the beginning

Anyone who thinks that they can trust a country that for decades lied to the entire world about their nuclear projects and ambitions... are incredibly naive

I don't care at all that Iran stopped their nuclear projects by 2003, and also had some residual nuclear projects leading up to 2009 ... the very fact that such an incredible amount of evidence was collected .....pertaining to a country that swore to the entire world for decades.... that they have never ever tried to push for nuclear armament is all I would need to know about trusting that country from that moment on.

Let's also keep in mind that in 2022 Iran also removed all cameras and JCPOA related monitoring at key Iranian nuclear facilities and has been limited or eliminated for years now.

Online enrichment monitors, centrifuge production, inventories and all other related activities can no longer be monitored in any way

But it’s nice Europe is finally increasing its military budget, $36 Trillion from the US tax payer is enough.

And other than quoting Chat which was stuck on the logic of the US also benefitted from it’s support of Europe…..rather than it would have have had the same benefits if Europe paid their fair share, plus the funds that could have accumulated to $36 trillion….you haven’t made one rebuttal of the argument. Other than squealing like a stuck pig.

The cameras should only be on Mr. Discombobulator and his Israel Bibi…those are the two you shouldn’t trust.

What a sad state of affairs the world has become, where you actually have people supporting those two.

Why would I need a rebuttal, it's just a garbage argument designed to deflect, which is pretty much all you do these days.

I guess even you can't defend Trump and know it's a lost cause, but it's too humiliating to admit America has become a basket case under Trump and even more humiliating when it's pointed out by a lowly Mick. Hence we just get these constant Europe bashing diversions.

"What a sad state of affairs the world has become, where you actually have people supporting those two."

Opposed to Iran, Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela, NC ANC-SA? ...any day of the week and twice on Sunday... fence sitting on this issue will lead to the destruction of the West as we know it... there's a clear pattern for those who are willing to open their eyes... I've seen the cANCer destroy my country...God help us if that happens in the US...a world in chaos which will make this conflict look like a picnic.

"What a sad state of affairs the world has become, where you actually have people supporting those two."

Supporting who does what... and supporting what they actually do ....are two very different distinctions.

I guess even you can't defend Trump and know it's a lost cause, but it's too humiliating to admit America has become a basket case under Trump

Nice deflection….you know and I know America has made a huge financial sacrifice keeping Europe intact since WW2 , with Russia poised in East Berlin.

Any Western leader who doesn’t go along with the Woke agenda is automatically a fool and a Neanderthal ….meanwhile there was another bombing attempt at the NY marathon. Another case of radicalized young men:

‘In court documents, investigators said Balat allegedly wrote on a piece of paper that he had "pledged allegiance to the Islamic state." In interviews with police, Balat also allegedly said he wanted to carry out an attack "bigger than the Boston Marathon bombing" in 2013 that killed three people’

DB, it's easy putting all issues into the same drawer. Firstly, there’s no proof that Iran is creating nuclear weapons. Secondly, there was no proof that Iran was planning an attack on anyone.

Thirdly, Iran didn’t start the bloody war. Fanatical Trump and Bibi started it, and they clearly have their own agendas!!

Russia attacking Ukraine is wrong and I’ve said that before. China may not be the most innocent country, but they are not attacking anyone right now. Yet everyone keeps assuming China is going to do this or that.

The same goes for Cuba. Just because there are a couple of Coke dealers in Cuba doesn’t make the whole country bad. Most Cubans are good, honest, hard-working people.

The same with Venezuela. You also mentioned the ANC. Yes, the ANC leadership has done huge damage, but that doesn’t mean that every black South African is bad.

Most people here are just normal people trying to live their lives. Good black people, good white people, good coloured people, good Indian people. They want to work, look after their families, maybe go to the sea on holiday, visit friends and live a normal life.

That is the same for ordinary people in Iran or anywhere else. Most of them are not the regime. They are just people trying to survive. When bombs fall, it is those people and their children who suffer and die.

So when people cheer for war and talk about “destroying the regime,” they forget who actually pays the price. The regime leaders usually survive.

The innocent people and children are the ones who die. Negotiation should always come first. Maybe my ideas are not perfect, but war should be the last option, not the first.

The Bible even says a soft answer turns away anger. In other words, calmer and stronger negotiation might achieve more than bombs.

Right now the regime is still there anyway. So what was achieved??!! FUCK HOL!! More destruction, more dead civilians, and the problem is still there...Great.

And DA, you say supporting who does what and supporting what they do are different things. Maybe in theory.

But if what they are doing is bombing a country where most of the people are innocent civilians, then supporting those actions is still supporting something wrong.

Most Iranians are not the regime. They are ordinary people who never asked for this Fucking war.

But now they are all gatvol and hate America and anyone who supports that Oranje fool…so be careful what you wish for.

"DB, it's easy putting all issues into the same drawer. Firstly, there’s no proof that Iran is creating nuclear weapons. Secondly, there was no proof that Iran was planning an attack on anyone.

No, they use their proxies for that ...BTW, how do you know what proof there was or wasn't?

Thirdly, Iran didn’t start the bloody war. Fanatical Trump and Bibi started it, and they clearly have their own agendas!!

Iran has been at war with the USA, Israel and the West for decades...this is but a battle

Russia attacking Ukraine is wrong and I’ve said that before. China may not be the most innocent country, but they are not attacking anyone right now. Yet everyone keeps assuming China is going to do this or that.

There are different ways to wage war than only military conflict.

The same goes for Cuba. Just because there are a couple of Coke dealers in Cuba doesn’t make the whole country bad. Most Cubans are good, honest, hard-working people.

And they are living under a harsh dictatorship and actively oppose the USA right on their doorstep.

The same with Venezuela. You also mentioned the ANC. Yes, the ANC leadership has done huge damage, but that doesn’t mean that every black South African is bad.

Never said or imply anything of the sort.

Most people here are just normal people trying to live their lives. Good black people, good white people, good coloured people, good Indian people. They want to work, look after their families, maybe go to the sea on holiday, visit friends and live a normal life.

That is the same for ordinary people in Iran or anywhere else. Most of them are not the regime. They are just people trying to survive. When bombs fall, it is those people and their children who suffer and die.

So when people cheer for war and talk about “destroying the regime,” they forget who actually pays the price. The regime leaders usually survive.

Well most of the Iranian top leadership is already no more. The long term consequences of leaving the status quo is even worse.

The innocent people and children are the ones who die. Negotiation should always come first. Maybe my ideas are not perfect, but war should be the last option, not the first.

They've been negotiating for decades...with an intensified effort during the past year ...it went nowhere ... sometimes one should recognize that it's time for decisive action..

The Bible even says a soft answer turns away anger. In other words, calmer and stronger negotiation might achieve more than bombs.

Well, they don't really care for the Bible now, do they?

Right now the regime is still there anyway. So what was achieved??!! FUCK HOL!! More destruction, more dead civilians, and the problem is still there...Great.

It's not done yet, but they're in a much worse place than 2 weeks ago.

And DA, you say supporting who does what and supporting what they do are different things. Maybe in theory.

But if what they are doing is bombing a country where most of the people are innocent civilians, then supporting those actions is still supporting something wrong.

Most Iranians are not the regime. They are ordinary people who never asked for this Fucking war.

But now they are all gatvol and hate America and anyone who supports that Oranje fool…so be careful what you wish for.

Some are celebrating...they have suffered much worse from their own government....when is enough enough?

Nice deflection….you know and I know America has made a huge financial sacrifice keeping Europe intact since WW2 , with Russia poised in East Berlin.

Latest trick from the Tump/MAGA playbook is it, accuse the other side of doing exactly what your doing?

Any Western leader who doesn’t go along with the Woke agenda is automatically a fool and a Neanderthal ….meanwhile there was another bombing attempt at the NY marathon. Another case of radicalized young men:

‘In court documents, investigators said Balat allegedly wrote on a piece of paper that he had "pledged allegiance to the Islamic state." In interviews with police, Balat also allegedly said he wanted to carry out an attack "bigger than the Boston Marathon bombing" in 2013 that killed three people’

So what, being against bombing Iran is woke now?

Is there any sense of self awareness here, has it crossed your mind that dropping f**k ton's of bombs in the Middle East might be contributing to the rise of radicalised young men. Accidental or not sending two Tomahawk missiles into a girls school isn't going to help in stopping young men getting radicalised.

Also the sheer level of ignorance you display here. Are you trying to justifying the bombing of Iran by pointing to the actions of a man who pledged allegiance to Islamic State, a Sunni Islamic terrorist group that are sworn enemies of Shiite Iran. What is one Islamic bad guy the same as any other?

Latest trick from the Tump/MAGA playbook is it, accuse the other side of doing exactly what your doing?

Just be honest for a change and admit the scale of US critical support for Europe during the Cold War and afterwards.

So what, being against bombing Iran is woke now?

Name a woke person on here that isn’t anti the Iran war and pro fighting on in Ukraine. Civilian deaths notwithstanding.

Is there any sense of self awareness here, has it crossed your mind that dropping f**k ton's of bombs in the Middle East might be contributing to the rise of radicalised young men.

Probably but not as effectively as the Hamas attacks on Israel. One way or another they are going to be radicalized. That’s why allowing these people to flow into your country is a mistake. And as we see again in NY the next generation is always vulnerable.

Also the sheer level of ignorance you display here. Are you trying to justifying the bombing of Iran by pointing to the actions of a man who pledged allegiance to Islamic State, a Sunni Islamic terrorist group that are sworn enemies of Shiite Iran. What is one Islamic bad guy the same as any other?

Classical Mick dishonest debating. This is what I said:

‘meanwhile there was another bombing attempt at the NY marathon. Another case of radicalized young men’

Does that say anything about Iran motivations. No of course it doesn’t. Are they radicalized Muslims …..of course they are. You assume ignorance which is not revealed at all in the passage you reference.

Try, to be more honest Mick.

Just be honest for a change and admit the scale of US critical support for Europe during the Cold War and afterwards.

Just be honest and admit you're deflecting.

Name a woke person on here that isn’t anti the Iran war and pro fighting on in Ukraine. Civilian deaths notwithstanding.

Woke doesn't exist, it's a term spoon fed to moron's and people incapable of critical thinking. If they don't like someone or something, just say they/it are woke.

Probably but not as effectively as the Hamas attacks on Israel. One way or another they are going to be radicalized. That’s why allowing these people to flow into your country is a mistake. And as we see again in NY the next generation is always vulnerable.

I'd imagine Israel's response to the Hamas attack was even more effective. Yes a very small minority will be radicalized but the risk of that has to be appropriately weighed, the US has had maybe 78 killed by Islamic terrorist attacks in the last 15 years and this in a country with a Muslim population of about 4.5 million people.

Classical Mick dishonest debating. This is what I said:

I'm knew you would deny it.

meanwhile there was another bombing attempt at the NY marathon. Another case of radicalized young men’

So you just randomly brought it up along with a dig at people being tolerant to Muslims, in a thread about the US blowing up a girl's school in Iran. Sure you did.

Does that say anything about Iran motivations. No of course it doesn’t. Are they radicalized Muslims …..of course they are. You assume ignorance which is not revealed at all in the passage you reference.

Try, to be more honest Mick.

If you weren't trying to make a connection between the two in some sort of ham fisted attempt to defend Trump's action you wouldn't brought up an unconnected event.

Yes the regime in Iran are radicalized Muslims...who don't tend to carry out terrorism in the west or the US. Of course when we suddenly get radicalized Shiite terrorists in the west to go along with the Sunni ones, you will be like "you see I warned you of the danger of your wokeness" and not make any distinction.

I don't like the fact that the US has escalated the war with Iran...I hope that it comes to end soon. I don't need to know the exact reasons for why they're doing this now, I know something needs to be done to the rogue nations.

Just be honest and admit you're deflecting.

Very effectively, because even using Chat you have no answers.

I'd imagine Israel's response to the Hamas attack was even more effective. Yes a very small minority will be radicalized but the risk of that has to be appropriately weighed, the US has had maybe 78 killed by Islamic terrorist attacks in the last 15 years and this in a country with a Muslim population of about 4.5 million people.

Another classical bit of deliberate dishonesty, you choose your date to exclude 9/11 by just enough to think you are not transparent. You are.

So you just randomly brought it up along with a dig at people being tolerant to Muslims, in a thread about the US blowing up a girl's school in Iran. Sure you did.

The US blowing up a girl’s school, phrased as if it were a deliberate target. Very honest…but no as many threads do this covered several topics and I was in no way saying the one justified the other.

If you weren't trying to make a connection between the two in some sort of ham fisted attempt to defend Trump's action you wouldn't brought up an unconnected event.

I was making a connection, radical Muslims. The anti west beliefs are common, even if they are enemies. Try to keep up.

DB, you say they use proxies for that...but for what exactly? And then you ask how I know there was no proof.

I’ve read the articles, I’ve followed the reporting, and the specialists, government agencies on both sides, and media confirm there is no evidence.

So who supposedly has this proof?? That’s a weak excuse to support war.

Iran has not been the aggressor in these conflicts for decades. The real aggressors in these so called wars are the USA and Israel. You can check the history, it’s clear.

You mention “there is different ways to wage war than military conflict”...what exactly are you referring to? What is China doing that kills innocent women and children like bombs do?

By the way, you sit far away from the conflict, your family is safe, mine is safe, and that makes it easy to judge.

But we are not on the front lines. You’re not the mother, father, or child dying in these wars.

Then you say cuba is actively opposing the USA on their doorstep. Why shouldn’t they? I would oppose the USA too if they were constantly meddling in my country.

The USA’s actions in Cuba, Venezuela, Greenland, and Iran are all about oil, resources, and control...not saving anyone!

A small number of Iranians are terrorists, but the majority are innocent. The US is not the world’s savior; and they should stop acting like they are. History has shown that America always act with hidden agenda's. It's about high time they mind there own Fucking business!

Spin it which ever way, Supporting Trump’s war makes a person complicit in the deaths of innocent people. The majority of Americans are against this war. But yet these two fools act on there own accord.

About the ANC I never said you implied that. My point is that you keep focusing on the regime and ignore that most people are hardworking citizens, normal people.

You forget the innocent women and children suffering, the fathers dying, families digging through rubble, to find there loved ones. War and people who supports war, ignores that reality.

Claims that “leaving the status quo is worse” are a assumption based on bias. The old leader may be dead, but his son stepping in could create even worse conditions.

America must look at its own track record before judging others. There hands are full of innocent blood. This is all about oil, power, and greed...End of story.

Your point about suffering under one’s government does not justify suffering under another country. Americans and Israelis deciding to impose violence on Iranians because of their own suffering is absurd.

These so called negotiations were not genuine and functioned as dictation rather than discussion. Negotiation requires effort and respect for both sides, it cannot work if one party simply tells the other what to do.

No country, even the United States, have the right to dictate to the rest of the world. This includes the Trump administration and its allies, who have acted in ways that escalate conflicts rather than resolve them.

This war is illegal. Evidence clearly shows that it was initiated by leaders motivated by oil, power, and geopolitical interests, not by a genuine threat.

Off course a person will only see that, if you look at all facts without prejudice bias. I say again innocent Civilians...men, women, and children...are the ones paying the price. Families are losing loved ones and being forced to survive in destruction they did not create.

Claims that religion justifies these actions are irrelevant. The Bible’s teaching that a soft answer turns away anger is a call for diplomacy, not justification for war.

Likewise, the Qur’an encourages respect and peaceful communication. Nothing has been resolved by this war. The regime may still exist, but the human cost is immense.

Cheering military actions while ignoring the deaths of innocents is morally unjustifiable. Suffering from one government does not give others the right to inflict further harm.

It is time to stop this madness.There are better alternatives than war, and ignoring them in favor of violence only reinforces hypocrisy and undermines humanity.

Protecting innocent people should be the priority, and war should never be celebrated at their expense!!!

"Nothing has been resolved by this war."

Well no, not quite. Bozo has achieved one thing. He's replaced the older, more frail and generally less hardline Ayatollah with his younger, healthier and more terror-funding son . . . who wants nothing other than revenge for his slain father.

That is resolved.

That's what this gigantic clown has achieved so far . . . along with blowing up a girl's school.

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So Draad, are you with ou Maaik on this . . . Bozo waged this war to save the people of Iran?

Nope, that's an added bonus... he's doing it to reduce Iran's influence in the region and to balance the oil market...sanctions on Iranian and Russian oil is working in their favor because they can just sell it for a discount to China...and he's weakening Russian allies... there's a much bigger picture...BTW I don't like the risks involved in this conflict...I would have rather he didn't, but I can understand why they are acting now...

"he's doing it to reduce Iran's influence in the region and to balance the oil market...sanctions on Iranian and Russian oil is working in their favor because they can just sell it for a discount to China"

I see . . . so it's more like a business deal really?

Oh . . . okay, well I suppose if you generate enough money you can justify the occasional girls school or other collateral damage. As long as someone's making a profit. Right?

The financial benefits is the incentive to force the Iranian regime to toe the line...the liberation of the people is part of it...you can't separate it from the reasons for the intervention...the bombing of the school was an unintended tragedy...how many people must they kill and how much can they disrupt the energy market of the whole world before it becomes necessary to stop them? Regime change is secondary...forcing them to comply while crippling their military capability is the objective....and it will also weaken Russia's position...part of the larger objective...

Wow he's saying Operation Epic Fail was to remove their nuclear capability.

Didn't he "obliterate" that capability in 2025? Didn't he boast about that already?

Again, was he lying then or is he lying now?

Liberals do not lie to deceive: human being with no impaired cognitive capabilities can not be fooled by Trump's words.

Liberals lie as a statement of power and a gauge of submission. People who accept Trump's words are submitted and submitted to him only with no doubt. They are not submitted to a fact, to an event, to a situation, they are submitted to Trump. Anyone rejecting Trump's gauge of submission is targeted as an enemy to eliminate.

1776: all human being have an unalienable right not to be hold in slavery while having slaves.

Trump is lying now and back then in order to gauge submission. People who do not align are enemies (various monikers for them)

The financial benefits is the incentive to force the Iranian regime to toe the line...the liberation of the people is part of it...you can't separate it from the reasons for the intervention...the bombing of the school was an unintended tragedy...how many people must they kill and how much can they disrupt the energy market of the whole world before it becomes necessary to stop them? Regime change is secondary...forcing them to comply while crippling their military capability is the objective....and it will also weaken Russia's position...part of the larger objective...

It is very funny. There is nothing in this. Liberals can not advance on the base of their own interests. They must pretend they act on the basis of other people's best interests.

What disruption of the energy market? The current situation is the consequence of the US and Israel's aggression on Iran.

What is that whole world? Who is that?

It is very funny because Iran has been fighting for some time now against oil smugglers: there are people in Iran who keep trying to sell oil cheaper than the Iranian oil price... And of course, this is a report of a situation that has been happening way before this war....

It is funny how liberals are this urge to paint themselves as moral people, acting on moral, altruistic motivations, when they are essential amoral, cupid people.

.sanctions on Iranian and Russian oil is working in their favor because they can just sell it for a discount to China...

What a pearl.

Already stated but a funny thread to start and maintain would be one gathering all the claims that are outrageous by liberal standards.

No south african on this board does not condemn the Apartheid

Drug traders could not have figured it out that the boats are bombed if the US did not publish the videos

.Sanctions on Iranian and Russian oil is working in their favor because they can just sell it for a discount to China...

Liberals who enjoy voting face a tough vote.

Name a woke person on here that isn’t anti the Iran war and pro fighting on in Ukraine. Civilian deaths notwithstanding.

This would require a list of the people who are determined as being woke on this board.

List?

Who is woke on this board and who is not?

ny Western leader who doesn’t go along with the Woke agenda

But how old is this woke agenda thing?

. I've seen the cANCer destroy my country...

Same question as usual: the alternate policy. What is the plan for South Africa?

Yes, your birth.

What a comment. How liberals fail at humanity. Impressive. Dehumanisation is part of them. They can not do without it.

So we leave a country abusing 70% of its voters and sponsoring terrorism in place and call that a moral solution.

Is it about Venezuela?

Still waiting for a plan for Iran.

Still waiting for a plan for Congo, a conflict that has done way more casualties than Iran.

Are Africans on this board uninterested in the conflicts that plague their own continent?

Yet the whole world would benefit from a stabilisation of this part of the world. Maybe not the liberal part of the world...

But now they are all gatvol and hate America and anyone who supports that Oranje fool…so be careful what you wish for.

Ahhh I see..... ... so now they are all gatvol and hate America now and anyone who supports Trump......

Mmmmmmmm ok

Then you say this to Db........

You also mentioned the ANC. Yes, the ANC leadership has done huge damage, but that doesn’t mean that every black South African is bad.

Please make up your mind which way this works......

Yes the regime in Iran are radicalized Muslims...who don't tend to carry out terrorism in the west or the US

LMFAO ..... no they just actively arrange for international Hitmen to try and kill the sitting president of the USA..... more than once.

What a stupid statement

no they just actively arrange for international Hitmen to try and kill the sitting president of the USA..... more than once.

The common lack of universality among liberals is staggering. Both US and liberal Israel eliminated a large number of Iranian representatives by assassination and now that Iranians replicate and make threats of elimination over the US president, it is not proper. Adding to that, both the US and liberal Israel keep telling they will repeat what they have done: political assassination over the new elected Iranian representatives....

Liberals can not stand other people acting liberally.

DA, I said the ANC leadership has done huge damage, but that doesn’t mean every black South African is bad. That’s separating a government from the people.

The exact same principle applies to Iran. The regime is not the same as ordinary Iranian citizens. Most of them are normal people just trying to live their lives.

Now you try to twist my other statement where I said people in Iran will become gatvol and start hating America and anyone supporting this war. That’s not a generalization about their character.

That’s a normal human reaction when your country is bombed and innocent people, especially children, are killed.

If bombs fall on your city and kill your family, your neighbors, and children in schools, do you think people will say “thank you very much”? Of course not.

Most, if not all, are going to hate the people responsible. That’s not ideology. That’s basic human behavior.

Point one: governments are not the same as their people.

Point two: when innocent civilians are bombed, the population will naturally become angry at those doing the bombing.

Both things can be true at the same time. Your argument only works if you pretend that saying “people will hate the ones bombing them” is the same as saying “all people are bad.” It’s not the same thing. You’re twisting the point to make it look inconsistent.

So the logic still stands. Regimes are one thing. Ordinary people are another. But if you bomb ordinary people, don’t act surprised when they start hating you for it. That’s just reality.

DA, I said the ANC leadership has done huge damage, but that doesn’t mean every black South African is bad. That’s separating a government from the people.

The exact same principle applies to Iran. The regime is not the same as ordinary Iranian citizens. Most of them are normal people just trying to live their lives.

Now you try to twist my other statement where I said people in Iran will become gatvol and start hating America and anyone supporting this war. That’s not a generalization about their character.

You see M, this is where you confuse people on here, because you actually twist your own words.... I did absolutely nothing of the sort.

You originally said that the ANC leadership has done huge damage, but that doesn't mean that every Black South African is bad....... to which I 100% fully agree.

But here is where you go wrong...... because you then go on to say straight after that, that because of what Trump has done, every Iranian now hates America and anyone that supports Trump..... so what's the difference between your two examples?

I have also seen thousands of Iranians around the world..... dancing and chanting in the streets celebrating what the US has done in Iran..... so how is everyone in Iran now gatvol of the USA and anyone that supports Trump?

Also, you relate what Trump has done for the US, to everyone in Iran now being gatvol of the US and anyone else who supports Trump, but yet the ANC hold the exact same position as Trump, but if they do something wrong, you say correctly that it's not every Black South African, but if Trump does something wrong, you include every American....

It's called double standards

Okay, then show me where I said all Americans. Hmm? What are you talking about? Also point me to this video where Iranians are dancing in honour of the Ilegal War that Trump started?

The only Video I see of them dancing, is when the new Ayatollah was announced.

It seems to me you don’t have an argument, so now what are you exactly doing other than twisting my words?

That’s exactly what this is...misrepresenting what I actually said.

Prove it, then. Otherwise, stop pretending there’s a double standard where there isn’t one.

Okay, then show me where I said all Americans. Hmm?

Sure... since you asked for it

But now they are all gatvol and hate America

Just FYI... this statement here of yours, includes every single American citizen.... not just Trump and his administration

The US is not the world’s savior; and they should stop acting like they are

FYI.....this statement includes all Americans

The real aggressors in these so called wars are the USA and Israel

FYI.....this statement includes all Americans

I would oppose the USA too if they were constantly meddling in my country

FYI.....this statement includes all Americans

The USA’s actions in Cuba, Venezuela, Greenland, and Iran are all about oil, resources, and control...not saving anyone!

FYI.....this statement includes all Americans

Point one: governments are not the same as their people

Then stop saying that it is the USA or America as a whole..... say Trump.

It seems to me you don’t have an argument, so now what are you exactly doing other than twisting my words?

Nope, just displaying your own words that you have posted in this very thread...back at you.....

That’s exactly what this is...misrepresenting what I actually said

Nope, I have literally just posted all your own words from this very thread, verbatim.... and you still want to deny that you are not referring to all Americans.......

Prove it, then. Otherwise, stop pretending there’s a double standard where there isn’t one.

Don't need to prove anything.... your very own words on this here thread prove that you have double standards M

Just look closely at what you have posted....

To summarise.....you correctly don't want to blame all the Black people in South Africa for something that the ANC does wrong, but you want to blame all the Americans for something that Trump does wrong......

That is the blatant double standard that I am pointing out, and all your own personal quotes or posts above prove it beyond any reasonable doubt.

"I have also seen thousands of Iranians around the world..... dancing and chanting in the streets celebrating what the US has done in Iran....."

That's called propaganda, DA. Lots of it around in these times.

Look closely: "Most Iranians are not the regime. They are ordinary people who never asked for this Fucking war." You only print this: “But now they are all gatvol and hate America" (the passage above, that you conveniently did not print, clearly shows I’m talking about the Iranians.)

Claiming I’m blaming all Americans where I use USA or America, is twisting my words and interpretating in a way that supports your narrative. You completely ignoring the context in all of my posts.

Everything I’ve said in this thread is about government actions...the U.S., Trump, Netanyahu ,Israel...not ordinary citizens. This is what the whole thread is about, DA.

Trying to turn it into a “double standard” argument doesn’t hold when the context itself proves I’m talking exclusively about government aggression, not Americans, Iranians, or Israelis as a whole.