So America bombed a Girls school killing 150+ in Iran?

I'm still waiting for an actual answer as to an alternative...

"diplomacy"...but when I pointed out the clear diplomatic failures that lead to Russia invading Ukraine, then the argument was that you can't negotiate with a psycho, even though Putin had show himself and Russia to be far more open to negotiation that Iran ever was. Actually, Putin's terms were relatively mild and pretty much amounted to "putting nukes on my doorstep is a red line". But NATO basically said "Eat shit! We'll do as we please."

"sanctions" ...and who will suffer if harsher sanctions are placed on Iran? The same bloody civilians that are suffering under the regime because China would keep buying Iranian oil and the regime would remain funded...for ever.

"UN" ...can we agree that relying on the UN is a bloody joke. They can't even prevent massacres in shitty African countries that don't even have a military.

"many things" ...well name one and back it up as viable with little bit of logic FFS!?

So, can we stop the damn virtue signalling and pie in the fucking sky bullshit for a moment and actually present a plausible alternative solutions? Or if you don't actually have one then just say "I don't know."

Oh, Rooi

I nominate we exclusively use Ko and, when it arrives, Sai as our alternate names for AI.

Posted by: Mpower (4824 posts)

Mar 11, 2026, 19:07

"Alright, let’s think this through carefully and speculatively, step by step, because this is a huge “what if” with countless ramifications. I’ll stick to plausible consequences without drifting into pure fantasy: "

Moz, this was ChatGPT's response on Plum"s query...I have the normal free Version of ChatGPT.

An alternative solution to what and to do what.

It is very funny as liberals keep operating the same way: trying to hide their selfish motivations under the guise of serving higher purposes.

Of course, there is no other alternative as liberal countries want to seize control over the trade area and the Iranian government is a road block. The road block must be removed.

The goal dictates the means.

"diplomacy"...but when I pointed out the clear diplomatic failures that lead to Russia invading Ukraine, then the argument was that you can't negotiate with a psycho, even though Putin had show himself and Russia to be far more open to negotiation that Iran ever was. Actually, Putin's terms were relatively mild and pretty much amounted to "putting nukes on my doorstep is a red line". But NATO basically said "Eat shit! We'll do as we please."

"On the negative side, the accidental bombing of the school is very sad and will be spoken of 50 years from now Other civilians have accidentally have been killed."

- I am trying to wrap my head around this, but there should have been zero chance of hitting that school, especially considering the advanced targeting systems they use.

This is exactly why this war is already a disaster, and it has only been ten days.

- Militaries normally use precision-guided weapons and several layers of targeting.

US Military use:

1. GPS-guided bombs (JDAM type)

The bomb is given exact coordinates before release.

It uses satellite navigation to guide itself to those coordinates.

Accuracy is usually within about 5–10 meters if the coordinates are correct.

2. Laser-guided bombs

A laser “paints” the target from a drone, aircraft, or ground team.

The bomb homes in on the reflected laser spot.

Accuracy can be within a few meters.

3. Electro-optical / camera-guided weapons

The missile or bomb has a camera and locks onto a visual target.

The operator can guide it or confirm the target during flight.

There are also cruise missiles and loitering drones that combine GPS, terrain maps, and cameras.

A strike usually goes through several steps:

Intelligence collection (satellites, drones, signals, human sources).

Target identification (what the building or location is believed to be).

Legal / command approval depending on the target.

Weapon selection to limit collateral damage.

So Mozart, I guess if the world's greatest military power is up against a country whose "military incompetence is on full display" that this shouldn't take very long, right?

I just hope with each day you realise just how much propaganda you must have swallowed to make that post.

I'm not saying Iran's military is competent mind you . . . but let's see how competent the world's most powerful military is with a conceited buffoon as the commander in chief and a talk-show host as the secretary of defence.

Before anyone reminds me that Pete Hegseth has a military background, the military has nothing at all to do with why or how Hegseth got the position. Neither Bozo or anyone else had heard of Pete Hegseth until he became a Fox News presenter who used to suck up to Bozo even more than Sean Hannity (if that can be believed) and he only got elevated to this position through fawning and licking Bozo's boots.

We'll see how this pans out. So far the bad outweighs the good by some distance.

Looks like it's been confirmed that it was a US missile . . . despite Bozo's blatant lies about it being Iran.

Seriously though, why was an investigation even necessary? Neither Israel or Iran have Tomahawk missiles. How did Bozo think people might believe "it wasn't our Tomahawk"?

Whose Tomahawk could it have been?

Trump’s appeal to the Iranian people to rise up and take their country back also applies to America…the irony is unbelievable.

Trump calls the Iran war a “short-term excursion”. Bloody hell, a country is being obliterated, people are dying, global markets are in turmoil, oil prices are skyrocketing…and the president of the United States is treating the whole thing like a primary school outing!

The convicted felon knows absolutely nothing about the Middle East, but seems to think that he can succeed where his predecessors failed and “fix” it. Although the chances of this unbelievably ignorant man and his ramshackle regime of arse-licking nincompoops fixing anything are non-existent.

They have lit a fire that could burn the whole house down.

:-)

Okay can the supporters of this war, just answer a few simple questions.

1. What is the rational for the war?
2. What do you think would constitute a success for the US and Israel?
3. And what do you think would constitute a failure for them or is their any potential negative consequences that would cause you too reconsider your support for the operation?

If a war has no clear objective, it becomes little more than an ethnic cleansing programme.

The only realistic outcome America could hope for would be to end the war quickly and reinstate the Obama deal. A prolonged war would be extremely costly and unlikely to lead to victory, and the next administration would probably end it.

So far, what has been achieved:

• A school was bombed, killing more than 150 children.

• The Supreme Leader was killed, allowing his more radical son to take over.

• Some of Iran’s more expensive military equipment has been destroyed, but this can be replaced.

• The global market has tanked because of Iran's counteractions. And that was after Trump’s “liberation tariffs” had already caused damage and were later struck down as illegal by the American government.

• Allied countries hosting American bases have been attacked, and their economies have suffered. It is now questionable whether having an American military base in your country causes more problems than it is worth.

• It has been shown that the most advanced weapons in modern warfare do not guarantee success against modern drone warfare. America went into this war without a plan on how to deal with drones, or not expecting that Iran would block much of the global oil supply.

• America also underestimated and misunderstood its opponents, and was exposed as having no plan. My gun is bigger than your gun is only going to get you so far.

• World sentiment toward America is in the gutter. (Except for the minority who support the orange pig).

• The MAGA movement is sounding more and more Nazi every day. Trump's polls are in the toilet, and the Iranian war has worsened them. Part of MAGA is not to get involved in wars.

• Putin is now benefiting from fewer sanctions.

• A nuclear arms race has accelerated. Countries know that if they have a nuke, they are safe from Trump.

• Iran will get a nuke; it is just a matter of when. That is a disaster, I would not want them having a nuke - but given what has happened to them, and if I were actually them, I would get a nuke.

• The hate in Iran for the West will have increased, particularly for America.

• A support group for Iran was going to march of this weekend in the UK, but was banned. So are we going to go through another Iraq when their supporters living in the West are going to start up the attacks again.

Propaganda from both sides...time will tell...

Time will tell nothing: the only accountable side in this matter is the Iranian side so...

Allied countries hosting American bases have been attacked, and their economies have suffered. It is now questionable whether having an American military base in your country causes more problems than it is worth.

It is another funny part of this story. The Iranian government, as horrific it is, is more respectful of laws and conventions than liberals who are supposedly all for the rules of law.

It is inscribed in a long series of interactions showing Iran's commitment to rules and laws established by liberals themselves.

Before the start of the war, they asserted their right to defend themselves, a right that was denied by liberals as the liberals painted their aggression as pre emptive defence. Thereafter, Iran took great care striking US military bases in the first stage of the war. US military bases hosted in a foreign country are US territory. So Iran led strikes on the US territory. Liberals immediately painted the move as Iran striking the hosting country. Which opens the door for Iran to switch their target on civilian energetic infrastructures.

Liberals can not abide by their own rules. Been reading much from countries outside the liberal world and the impression is that they have fully integrated it prevails. They know.

The whole sequence as planned by Iran is probably purposeful. They have done it on purpose to disqualify liberals. Liberals, more than ever, appear as respecting nothing but power. A common trait with fascists.

I take the below was also fully AI generated. Not that it's all incorrect, but if we're copy and pasting AI text can we at least state that it's AI?

"- I am trying to wrap my head around this, but there should have been zero chance of hitting that school, especially considering the advanced targeting systems they use.

This is exactly why this war is already a disaster, and it has only been ten days.

- Militaries normally use precision-guided weapons and several layers of targeting.

US Military use:

1. GPS-guided bombs (JDAM type)

The bomb is given exact coordinates before release.

It uses satellite navigation to guide itself to those coordinates.

Accuracy is usually within about 5–10 meters if the coordinates are correct.

2. Laser-guided bombs

A laser “paints” the target from a drone, aircraft, or ground team.

The bomb homes in on the reflected laser spot.

Accuracy can be within a few meters.

3. Electro-optical / camera-guided weapons

The missile or bomb has a camera and locks onto a visual target.

The operator can guide it or confirm the target during flight.

There are also cruise missiles and loitering drones that combine GPS, terrain maps, and cameras.

A strike usually goes through several steps:

Intelligence collection (satellites, drones, signals, human sources).

Target identification (what the building or location is believed to be).

Legal / command approval depending on the target.

Weapon selection to limit collateral damage."

This guy is probably one of the best analysts going at the moment. I tend to check in with him whenever stuff is going on.

No political views, no bias in any direction and simply lines facts up and gives them to you in a condensed way for you think about.

Good post Sharkbok. The negatives keep piling up. Not so much the positives.

You so self righteous Plum, it's anauseating...Do you always announce when you use AI? I know you don't. Practice what you preach.

But OK all this was AI, before you have a hissy fit:

"- Militaries normally use precision-guided weapons and several layers of targeting.

US Military use:

1. GPS-guided bombs (JDAM type)

The bomb is given exact coordinates before release.

It uses satellite navigation to guide itself to those coordinates.

Accuracy is usually within about 5–10 meters if the coordinates are correct.

2. Laser-guided bombs

A laser “paints” the target from a drone, aircraft, or ground team.

The bomb homes in on the reflected laser spot.

Accuracy can be within a few meters.

3. Electro-optical / camera-guided weapons

The missile or bomb has a camera and locks onto a visual target.

The operator can guide it or confirm the target during flight.

There are also cruise missiles and loitering drones that combine GPS, terrain maps, and cameras.

A strike usually goes through several steps:

Intelligence collection (satellites, drones, signals, human sources).

Target identification (what the building or location is believed to be).

Legal / command approval depending on the target.

Weapon selection to limit collateral damage."

- I am trying to wrap my head around this, but there should have been zero chance of hitting that school, especially considering the advanced targeting systems they use.

Your expectations for what happens in a war, are just way too much

This is exactly why this war is already a disaster, and it has only been ten days.

You do realise that over 5 000 bombs have already been dropped on Iran .... just by Israel alone.... since this war started.

As much as I hate the fact that the school was hit, because it really was an absolutely horrific tragedy....... you cannot expect every ordinance to perfectly hit it's target ... that would be very naive.

M, the reason i have a bee in my bonnet about it is because we run the risk of it becoming my AI versus yours.

If i wanted that, I could simply create Rooi, VisKop, M, Pakie, Moz, DA and Draad bots and never come here. What would be the point of that?

And, yes, when I use AI I say so. And I provide both my query and the response.

If you find that nauseating then I'd be happy to courier you some brown bags to breath into.

DA, now do me a favor and grow a conscience. For once, try and see the bigger picture. A lot of the pro-Trump supporters are always finding excuses, arguing over wording interpretations, when in actual fact, it's not even like that.

I assure you, I am looking at the entire world picture, not just your picture of certain things

Trump supporters funny enough, are in certain aspects, "Brainwashed" that refuse to see the hidden agenda's

I see .... so you are fully aware and in the know of what this "hidden agenda" is........ got it

and that hardly acknowledge the innocent people suffering and dying thru Trump’s careless, Dumb and in-humane actions.

What complete and utter bullshit

"I am trying to wrap my head around this, but there should have been zero chance of hitting that school, especially considering the advanced targeting systems they use.

This is exactly why this war is already a disaster, and it has only been ten days."

Yes, this argument amounts to, "Since there will always be human error, simply never get involved."

"I see .... so you are fully aware and in the know of what this "hidden agenda" is........ got it"

Apparently the US an Israel intentionally bombed a school.

That being the case, I think M really needs to explain this agenda to us because 50 school kids being intentionally wiped out would swing my opinion on this 180 degrees.

So, take the floor and change our minds, M

Yes, this argument amounts to, "Since there will always be human error, simply never get involved."

Spot on ....

I am also extremely keen to see what this "hidden agenda" is that no Trump suuporter can grasp, that M knows about

I don't think it was intentional.

It was clearly a tragic error . . . but then man up and apologise for it.

I just feel for those little girls . . . and their families. These particular deaths will cause hatred for America for generations to come.

It actually doesn't matter what the bungling and self-serving fool "achieves" in his war, nothing is going to outweigh this.

So far, all he's achieved is to destroy the Iranian military, a lot of infrastructure and the world's trust.

He's also brought about regime change with the old, doddering Ayatollah killed and his even more US-hating son whose only fame is his ability to fund terror groups . . . he's now in charge.

So much winning . . . but we haven't won enough.

I'm not LMAO because it's not funny.

Agreed, horrific for everyone involved, and someone needs to answer for that school bombing, including compensation for those families

Agreed, Rooi.

But I'd go further and say that on top of the apology, a full explanation is required.

Not that the families would suddenly forgive, but showing remorse and accountability is important regardless.

You say my expectations in war are too high. Why shouldn’t they be high when human lives are on the line? What other standard should we have when the end result is death?

It’s easy to speak casually about it when were not personally impacted. From a distance it becomes statistics. For the people on the ground it's life or death, no second chance.

Then you say more than 5,000 bombs have already been dropped on Iran by Israel and that I should not expect every ordinance to hit perfectly. If anything, that statement makes it worse.

Dropping thousands of bombs is not something to speak about like it is normal or like it's a achievement. A person should feel disturbed by that.

Before a strike even happens there are supposed to be checks. Reconnaissance is done. Civilian structures are supposed to be identified.

So the simple and very, very important question remain: what exactly was the target in that area, and did they not see there was a school nearby??

With all the satellites, drones, and targeting systems they claim to have, how does a school just appear out of nowhere??

I keep hearing how "precise these strikes are". Well, if this is “precision” and 150 children end up dead in a school, then something is seriously Fucking wrong.

If they knew there was a civilian structure nearby, the strike should have been cancelled. Simple as that. End of story.

Saying “mistakes happen” after the fact does not change the outcome. Those children are still dead.

That is why this war and every War is a fuck up! Just another unfortunate statistic, what utter BS...I don't buy it. Trump and his Cronies are conscienceless tyrants.

Ja sure Plum, tell me another one...we will see from now on if you clearly state where you use AI...LOL

You say my expectations in war are too high. Why shouldn’t they be high when human lives are on the line? What other standard should we have when the end result is death?

Nothing wrong with high expectations... just don't expect perfection

It’s easy to speak casually about it when were not personally impacted. From a distance it becomes statistics. For the people on the ground it's life or death, no second chance.

Yep

Then you say more than 5,000 bombs have already been dropped on Iran by Israel and that I should not expect every ordinance to hit perfectly. If anything, that statement makes it worse.

No, it makes it a reality

Dropping thousands of bombs is not something to speak about like it is normal or like it's a achievement. A person should feel disturbed by that.

Who said that it's normal... and who said it's an achievement... and who isn't disturbed by it?

Before a strike even happens there are supposed to be checks. Reconnaissance is done. Civilian structures are supposed to be identified.

They always are... mistakes happen in war

So the simple and very, very important question remain: what exactly was the target in that area, and did they not see there was a school nearby??

They have already stated that there was a munitions depo next to the school, clearly something went wrong and hopefully we found out how, who and why.

With all the satellites, drones, and targeting systems they claim to have, how does a school just appear out of nowhere??

It clearly didn't just appear out of nowhere, but I can imagine some ordinance malfunctioning, or some pilot error or drone user error..... I don't profess to know, so neither should you.

I keep hearing how "precise these strikes are". Well, if this is “precision” and 150 children end up dead in a school, then something is seriously wrong.

You think?

If they knew there was a civilian structure nearby, the strike should have been cancelled. Simple as that. End of story.

Yes, and let them continue to make the bomb drones that are killing people in neighbouring countries....yeah, that will work.

Saying “mistakes happen” after the fact does not change the outcome. Those children are still dead.

And your point is.......

That is why this war and every War is a fuck up!

No shit....

My point?? This war should have never happened in the fist place!

"Who said that it's normal... and who said it's an achievement... and who isn't distured by it? You think? No shit...."

Empty words... How can a person say you care, but you don't outright condemn this War??

It’s either you condemn it, or you don’t. End of story.

My point?? This war should have never happened in the fist place!

Duh! .... you could say that about most wars

"Who said that it's normal... and who said it's an achievement... and who isn't distured by it? You think? No shit...."

As I expected ..... no answer....just more drivel

Empty words... How can a person say you care, but you don't outright condemn this War??

I haven't seen you condemn the holocaust, or the nuclear bombing of Nagasaki, or even the recent killings of thousands of Iranians, in the last few months ......so clearly you have no sympathy or empathy for your fellow human beings..... show some emotion dude.

By the way....make as many assumptions as you want to, but lying about something, just to get your point across in some random debate is just a little bit desperate and quite despicable.

The logic from the Trump supporters, just doesn’t hold.

You can’t claim to support the war and its leaders ( Trump, Hegseth, Rubio- US Military / Netanyahu, Gideon Saar- IDF) while at the same time act shocked or caring about the casualties.

That’s pure contradiction. You can’t have it both ways. If you truly cared about civilians, you’d condemn the war from the start instead of shrugging and saying “accidents happen" or "War isn't Perfect" or "Human lives is Collateral Damage"

Any attempt to merge those two positions is just hypocrisy...it simply doesn’t make sense...whichever way you spin it, it smells from a mile away.

From a normal Morally sound, straightforward perspective, it’s pure bullshit.

The logic from the Trump supporters, just doesn’t hold.

Yeah ....because it's just far too complicated to walk and chew gum at the same time ...

I mean, the human brain is famously incapable of holding two competing thoughts

That’s pure contradiction. You can’t have it both ways. If you truly cared about civilians, you’d condemn the war from the start instead of shrugging and saying “accidents happen" or "War isn't Perfect" or "Human lives is Collateral Damage"

Of course.... because the world is just so black and white to you ... so you are either a full on peace proponent or you are high-fiving every bomb drop with a side of "oopsie daisy" on any civilian casualties...

Clearly there is no room in that messy middle ground where people can support a conflict for very complex reasons, but still get upset by any innocent lives lost.

How dare we navigate the nightmares of these kind of wars with actual human complexity.

Well done M.....you have cracked the code on compassion..... but at least try and keep it honest

Have a aweosme Friday tomorrow everyone ...off for a long weekend

Well DA, you say: “Duh, you could say that about most wars.” Then why are you supporting war? That’s contradictory.

You claim this war is done for the right reasons, that is your opinion. Just like it’s your opinion that the school bombing wasn’t deliberate. Your opinion is also that there are no ulterior motives.

My opinion is this war was started for the wrong reasons. My opinion is that the hidden agendas are:

Trump is running from the Epstein files, delaying midterm elections, and after the oil. His administration admitted in a statement, claiming it should be out of terrorists’ hands.

Netanyahu is after more land, claiming Iran and Palestine, as he believes, originally belongs to Israel, and for ethnic cleansing.

Why are my opinions lying and despicable, and yours not? We are debating, and in the end we voice our opinions, that’s it.

You call my words “empty” or “drivel" yet you don’t even debate my points. You dismiss what I say instead of answering, and you decide it’s lies.

Who’s really talking drivel here? And you have the audacity to preach to me about Honesty??

And now you tell me I show no sympathy or empathy? Really? Last night I posted all those figures, Hiroshima, Iran, Iraq, etc. I left out Nagasaki and the Holocaust, but i condemn those atrocities to.

Doesn’t that prove I condemn all of that?

My opinion, I condemn war far more than you. Your opinion, I don’t have emotions for fellow human beings.

Well, that comes from a person who showed little to zero emotion for René Good, who was Murdered by that ICE agent.

Also, in this Iran war, you’ve always sided with authority and war. Yet again, it’s a contradiction to call me a liar.

But ok, that’s your opinion and you have the right to it, just like I have the right to my opinions. Just don’t conveniently forget that and then call be dishonest or a liar, DA.

"Trump is running from the Epstein files, delaying midterm elections, and after the oil. "

All true but I'd add one . . . he's also after rare earth. The USA can't compete with China in the longer term if they don't get more rare earth minerals.