Those of us who think Trump had a remarkably successful presidency while being hounded by his opponents, have listed his accomplishments.....wage growth, no wars, Middle East Peace, exposing China and many others. But the bashers seem to feel Trump has a list of failures which make for a failed presidency. Here’s your chance to become specific....the floor is your’s.
Up your game Stav ...... there's a shit load morte that can/should be added to your list.
Frogmarch the mad, sad & bad fwit outa the House.
And now for the rebuttals of the rebuttals
justified Paris is costly and ineffective...Perhaps Paris doesn't go far enough but its far better than nothing, in the long run the cost of inaction will greatly exceed the costs of implementing the Paris agreement.
necessary...why, all indications where that Iran where complying with deal. Iran is now likely closer to developing nuclear weapons and America's reputation for honouring international treaties is trashed.
they are culpable in spreading China’s disinformation about the virus...Quite simply this is a lie.
heroic...biased would be a more accurate term. Its a move that makes solving the Israel-Palestine conflict more difficult and proves that America is not impartial broker in the peace process.
progress has been made for the first time since Assad...Trump's Middle East plan was panned around the world as basically giving Israel everything it wanted and trying to buy the Palestinians off. His achievements in getting other Arab countries to recognize Israel are a positive development but are overstated in their significance in bringing peace to the region. (Its also highly likely that Sudan will not ratify the agreement in their parliament) There will never be peace in the ME until the Israel-Palestine conflict is resolved.
terrorists are killed not assassinated...killing the top military commander of another country is a highly provocative move that could have and may still have serious repercussions in the region.
justified to address a dangerous situation...yes the noegotations where justified and I supported his efforts to do so, wasn't an issue that he tried to resolve the situation, its the fact that he failed.
called for isolation before any other world leader, fastest vaccine response ever, massive equipment production...no he wasn't the first call for isolation, the vaccine response had nothing to do with him, all countries ramped up equipment production but America was slow on testing at the start of the pandemic and Trump made various other blunders in his handling of the Pandemic.
justified to stop uncontrolled immigration...was a waste of time trying as it was never going to be effective, only got a few miles of new wall actually built and didn't get Mexico to pay for it. Again a failed policy.
.trade deficits need to be reduced it’s basic economic theory ...again not disputing that, its the fact the trade deficit went up during his term. Again a failure.
necessary if negotiations don’t work, all the US asked for is a level playing field...America also don't play on a level playing field. As powerful as America is having trade wars with so many other major trading partners is just dumb and ending up hurting America's economy more than it helped. Failed policy.
not gaffs, brainstorming turned into gaffs by a hostile media...nope they where gaffs.
all politicians lie...take Obama’s you can keep your doctor lie...true all politicians lie and should be called on it, but Trump takes to a whole other level, the sheer volume of his lies is unprecedented. I believe the Washington's post fact checkers had him down as making over 20,000 false or misleading claims during his Presidency up till July of this year.
fake news exists....take the Russia hoax...you mean the investigation that found the Russians where meddling in the 2016 election in Trumps favor, that Trump's campaign knew about it and expected to benefit form it, the resulted in jail sentences for several of Trump's campaign team and did not exonerate Trump who may yet face charges after he leaves office?
no his attacks are against media bias...no doubt there have been lies told about Trump and he's entitled to call them out, however he can't just lie on the scale he does and not expect to be called on it. Calling out a lie and fact checking him is not media bias, its the media doing their job.
blah, blah...blah blah.
Trump is no racist, nor is he anti semetic...so I didn't hear quotes about rapists from Mexico, white supremacists as very fine people, for white supremacist group to stand back and stand by and that George Soros was funding antifa?
his diverging from expert opinion particularly at the Fed was hugely right...his diverging from medical advise was hugely wrong.
how?...his branding, scaremongering and misrepresentations about the Democrats as a radical far left party, the way he's handled the race riots in America, his politicization of face masks, his claims of election fraud.
all in the quest of improving problem areas and only while they were cooperating,..Putin was never co-operating, he was playing Trump like a fiddle, has Erdogan done anything else but what he's pleased. Did he need to singing Kim Jong Un's praise while trying to negotiate with them, when he was negotiating with China on trade was he concerned about their human rights abuses?
Allied countries have been living off America for too long. Germany not paying their way is disgusting...as powerful as America is it can't go it alone in the world.
America’s standing is in robust health...lol Trump is considered a bad joke around the world and America's reputation abroad has never been lower.
watch this space...claims of election fraud are a farce. We can watch but I doubt you will ever accept that Biden won fairly regardless of evidence.
Excellent work Stav. There wasn't one of your rebuttals of the Trumpanzee-rebuttals I didn't agree with.
I'm guessing Moffie is too dumb (or egotistical) to realize he's been schooled on every single one of the failures listed . . . and not just schooled, but embarrassed and humili ated.
Oh and as for Bozo's international standing, he was laughed off the stage at a UN summit.
Bozo was Putin's weak little bitch. In Helsinki when Bozo was pushed to accuse Putin of interference in the 2016 election, he basically replied saying he doesn't believe his own FBI and CIA agencies, and he'd rather believe Putin because he sounded believable. That's pretty much exactly what happened in Helsinki.
Oh and before I forget, another hilarious failure I should have mentioned was Bozo wanting to buy Greenland and creating a diplomatic stir with Denmark.
As usual, Misty without a single intelligent idea to add to the conversation.
Those aren’t rebuttals....you just restated your original allegations. The Paris Climate accord for example has a minimal effect on temps by 2100.....at huge cost. It allows China the world’s second largest economy to be treated as a developing country. Why? Because China are looking after their own interests and won’t participate if they aren’t met.
The fact that the majority of Americans feel better off than 4 years ago....despite the media telling them how bad things are, is the clincher:
A September survey by the Financial Times and the Peterson Foundation found that a plurality of U.S. voters, 35%, felt better about their present financial situation, and 31% felt worse, compared with four years ago; a later poll by Galluppainted a more upbeat picture, with a clear majority of registered voters (56%) saying they were better off today.
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Not one of your allegations has any merit....not one can be proven with real facts or numbers. They are simply blather.
Case closed.
"The fact that the majority of Americans feel better off than 4 years ago....despite the media telling them how bad things are, is the clincher"
Amazing that Trump didn't get re-elected when the majority of American's are supposed to feel better off? You know why, because of a majority of American's believed the negatives of another Trump term outweigh any economic benefit he might bring. There is more to feeling good about life than just money.
Didn't he get re-elected?
I thought the election had not been settled yet.
In 2004 they said that media bias was responsible for a 15% election advantage.
That figure was later revised down to 5%. Still more than sufficient.
Keep in mind that this was prior to the social media surge.
What would you say that figure is today?
More importantly, who was the clear recipient of that advantage in this election?
Did America really choose Biden?
Did America really choose Biden?
Yes.
If by America you mean big tech and legacy media, then I agree.
Anger your blind belief of everything you are told reminds me most of a religious state.....total, absolute conviction. And the quasi religious language like Climate Change Denier fits right in with that.
Normally one would be worried when every force outside of the ordinary person leans to the left.
I hear that it's not worked out so well in the past.
And it's always for reasonable, moral and indisputable reasons.
Apparently history doesn't repeat itself, right?
Every force?
The media may be mostly left wing in the US, but there is still right wing news sources in the US, plenty of them online. In the political realm the right wing had up till this election had control of the Presidency and the Senate and may still have control of the Senate after this election and the Supreme court in America has now a 2 to 1 majority of right wing judges over left wing.
So no not every force in America is left wing.
Sure some extreme left wing regimes in the past have been truly awful. So have some extreme right wings regimes, but there is various degrees in between each of them before you arrive at such a point and the vast majority of people don't want either.
History can of course repeat itself but that cuts both ways.
Big tech, most of legacy media, all of Hollywood and other entertainment, universities, big business...shall I continue?
Most of which have painted Trump as the hateful(place any derogatory term here) figure. And most of it has been lies.
Not sure if you missed it but some democrat leaders are now calling for lists to be made of those that supported Trump and those that are calling for the election to be audited in order to ensure that democracy has not been undermined. Normal people that must be tarred with the "deplorables" brush. Sound familiar?
But don't worry because the NY P ost and Fox news exist.
The list of extreme left controlled places that ended in horror is reams longer than that of places where they didn't destroy countries. You say "some" but you know the word you should use is "most".
The modern atrocities of the far left is leagues ahead anything the right managed. Even if you count the Nazis, as you set aside the "socialist" part of the acronym.
Trump supporters seek to uphold the ideas of democracy and freedom which have been the sole force against which both the far left and right fell. I trust that you don't dispute this?
The democrats openly support the subversion of free speech, identity politics and the very same type of character assassination that occurred against people in previously rising leftist regimes that brought only poverty and death to nations.
In South Africa the far left are now in process of setting in motion the process whereby private citizens will be dispossessed of land. Land which the government will take ownership of and then lease to the public. Again, sound familiar?
Bill Maher today touched on the problems with the DP. Even though some of his examples are a bit suspect, the general point he is making is spot on: people don't trust the direction the DP is headed. That's a big part of why Trump got so many votes - not because his voters are all low IQ rednecks as a popular opinion on this forum will have it, but because the alternative on offer is so dire.
Somebody debunk this please...
Are you saying they are not correct when they say the sharing of "biased and false news has become all too common social media"?
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/
Just look at the link above and you can see all the false news Poltifact have debunked by fact checking (and they list their sources they use to fact check), that's false news coming from the likes of Facebook, Twitter, Tik Tok, Instagram, blogs and viral images.
Fake news isn't news that you happen to dislike, its news that isn't backed up by facts.
Star,
No. Of course fake news is not good. Please, if you want to discuss something with me, don't waste my time with cheap misdirection.
I asked you/someone to debunk the video.
Let's try again...
Explain why news companies, owned by different entities, are putting out the same "opinion", verbatim.
Let's see how how you Occam's razor it.
Simplest assumption - someone told them all what to say.
No?
"There is nothing to debunk, its a compilation video of news outlets taking a united stand against fake news"
You sound very sure.
Are you though?
Me - someone told them what to say.
Star - They're all taking a stand against fake news by agreeing to put out the same message without letting anyone know and despite reasonable evidence to the contrary in terms of the substance of their message.
You know how Occam's razor operates, right?
If you suggesting a conspiracy that all news media is being controlled by one source the onus is on you to prove it.
Ah, ok...
So you can't debunk the suggested purpose of the video then.
Cool.
Thanks for playing.
I've made no claim outside of asking you to provide a simpler solution than mine.
When different groups say the same thing, word for word, then the simplest explanation is that they're reading from the same script.
Hence, thanks for playing/trying.
There are no facts on your side Angry Hatter . None of these complaints have any substance:
We left the Paris Climate Accord and outperformed on lowering carbon emissions,
We left the Iran deal and Iran is weaker than they would have been.
We moved the embassy to Jerusalem and the ME is in a much better place with historic peace agreements
We attacked terrorism and Al Qaeda which was allowed to flourish under Obama/Biden is vastly diminished.
Trump is accused of racism, but his support amongst Blacks and Latinos has improved.
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Just a series condemnations and florid language.....where is America worse off under Trump, nowhere that I can see. And prior to the virus it was vastly better off and would be again if Trump had a second term.
It means each group is not exercising their professional obligation for honest.. independent...reporting.
It means no such thing and you know it.