The World According to Klown . . .

CC I was not sticking up for you...I never do that for any one...we are not children although sometimes I think some are reaching "second-childhood".

If that's what you believe and interpret...so be it...it seemed a little wobbly to me and I thought you were using a little humour in mockery.

Living by the letter and the spirit are the same thing in a context that is so often mis construed and misinterpreted...

This is what Jesus said :

Jesus Fulfills the Law

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

When a true regenerated Christian speaks of the Spirit, He is refering to The Paraclete...the Holy Spirit...the Comforter, the Helper , the third "person" in the Tri-une Godhead.

I hope you have not fallen victim of some cult.

I don't go to church anymore because I cannot find one in my area that sticks to the Gospel.

Yes, I'm born-again (although I dislike this term because it is misinterpreted and abused)...better to say converted or I am a believer.

Heresy is rampant in the man made churches...today ie Prosperity and Word of Faith Gospel.

This has caused more damage to the call of the Gospel as unbelievers are driven further away by a false and ugly gospel that only appeals to the greedy and selfish pride in man.

That's my take...I think it is enough...I'm really uncomfortable here casting pearls amongst swine, if you understand this meaning.

"I am quite touched that you went back to edit your initial response here though. In my little world it says that I got you thinking enough about it enough to feel that you needed to do John Lennon. "

How did he edit it Plum?...nothing that would change the way others would have responded I suppose? 

Not anything but editing a typo or wording it better I suppose? That would be dishonest or deceitful? I hope not, not our Rudeneck? Nooit eksê!

Nah, he just added more to his response. 

Nothing sinister haha

Good to know, I always thought I had good awareness, but he puzzles me. I just don't seem to get his angle...frustrating, because for me all the pieces of a puzzle must fit ... all the time, or it drives me insane...and he knows it ...and is pressing all the buttons all the time...and I succumb to thd pavlovian BS every time...like with Trad (you scared him(them) off BTW. )

Most people agree that the Bible has been changed significantly. So it is pointless to quote verses as if they are direct quotes from God.

Hell, the g ospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John can't even agree on events in the same bible, let alone in the hundreds of Christian Bibles. Luke, for example, seem to disagree with himself in different versions of the Bible. 

Of the people on this post, about 99% agree that the Bible has had significant edits over the years. 

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Holy-Bible-edited

Seb, I am not saying that christians are stupid about everything just their christian beliefs. Plenty of religious people are intelligent about plenty of other things.

And can you please tell me how I could not believe in your god if he revealed himself to me, once I know something to be true I cant just not believe it because I do not want to.. You are just proving your stupidity by making stupid statements, thanks for proving me right yet again. 

If he started the company, sure.

He's too direct to climb the ladder all the way to the top. Can you imagine him pitted against some career schmoozer for those votes? 

He'd get my vote because I hate yes men, but the rest of the world loves them unfortunately.

Something about him says academia though.

Cumon Rooi, give us a clue.

Rooitwit stop kidding yourself. You are not wanting to ask questions because the fact is like those other ignoramus's sharkbokkie and Crusader Fan you all most decidedly do not want to know.

Closed little minds terrified of the light and raging against God. 

You could give me the world a 1000 times over and I would never swop places with you lot. Indeed not for anything would I make a swop. 

Jesus on the cross said Father forgive them for they know not what they do.  Hence you remain to this day but time is not your friend. 

Great scriptures Seb!!! 

Narrative[edit]

In the Gospel of Luke, the parable is introduced by a question, known as the Great Commandment:

Behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read it?”

He answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbour as yourself."

He said to him, "You have answered correctly. Do this, and you will live."

But he, desiring to justify himself, asked Jesus, "Who is my neighbor?"

—?Luke 10:25–29, World English Bible

Jesus replies with a story:

Jesus answered, "A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who both stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

By chance a certain priest was going down that way. When he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

In the same way a Levite also, when he came to the place, and saw him, passed by on the other side.

But a certain Samaritan, as he travelled, came where he was. When he saw him, he was moved with compassion, came to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. He set him on his own animal, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the host, and said to him, 'Take care of him. Whatever you spend beyond that, I will repay you when I return.'

Now which of these three do you think seemed to be a neighbor to him who fell among the robbers?"

He said, "He who showed mercy on him."

Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise."

—?Luke 10:30–37, World English Bible
---Sharbok 20:19:04, RuckersForum.

You are the one with the closed mind and cowering in fear at the feet of a make believe deity.

We (well I personally) rage against the belief not your imaginary friend. I for one would not trade a 1,000 worlds to be a gullible slave to con artists  like you. Go stick another layer of tin foil on your head as your stupidity is showing again.

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You can thank Moffie, Plum, Dense and whoever else for "standing up for you" ....

Koosie, you just don't get it do you? Here, let me school you.

I asked two simple questions.

The first questioned your motive for starting a new thread re Clean Cut. The second questioned why you were making a mockery of his beliefs.

In truth I wasn't "standing up" for Clean Cut, it could have been any other poster and I would still have asked the questions.

Get it now Dunce? I hope so.

Snarkbok. The parable you quoted had nothing to do with the religion of any of the characters, but how they treated somene in need. You are either deliberately taking the p!ss @ Christianity yet again, or you simply are a real incentive fool.

And your take of how the bible was changed over the years is founded on hearsay if the "proof" you posted is all you got.

Like I said, you made a choice against something you know little about and don't understand.

There are those here that take delight in mocking others belief...they are disrespectful of others and totally insincere. Their blasphemy shows no regard for sensitive matters...they are not interested in searching for the real truth. They know zilch about these matters, neither have they any desire but prefer to remain in ignorance and their only defence is to attack in ignorance. They hate the truth because it exposes them.

But I do believe there are sincere guys here that are really genuinely seeking but judge incorrectly because of confusion...

Those who are genuine may find this article helpful;

Your Good Works Cannot Save You | My Journey with God

Redneck ... well, fortunately I’m not you.

I am by no means embarrassed by anything I said ... and I would have complimented you on giving me a good run for my money, had it not been for the juvenile type of questions you asked. One would expect that from someone as ignorant as SharkShit, or a primary school student.

Your ignorance is beyond belief. It’s best you hang on to your big bang theory ... and I would also recommend you stay away from anything that’s a little too deep.

You accused me of bastardizing my Christian beliefs. I’ve asked you for details ... but as expected, you have none to offer ... and thought it best to tuck tail and run.

 Wow ... you really are a disappointment ... I expected you to at least have a spine.

I am quite prepared to defend my beliefs and I’ll do it Biblically, as the bases of it, is all scriptural.

My lip is most certainly not quivering ... why would it be? You don’t have the means to provoke such a reaction from me, so rather not flatter yourself.

By all means, ask me anything you want ... but before you do, try to come up with something original ... a little less boring ... not so obvious ... something that doesn’t embarrass you more than it does me.

No ... I don’t agree ... I told you in my first post that I didn’t want to continue with this because of your ignorance ... but you pushed me and insisted I contribute ... and now that I have, you want this thread to disappear. Once again your spineless personality shows itself.

How could I be so blind? You are a pussy. LOL!!!    

As for thanking Mozart, Denny, Plum, Draad and “whomever” ... I’ve come to realize something. The posters on this board REALLY don’t like you. I’m not a favourite of theirs either but they’re prepared to stand up for me ... against you. That says something.

You could easily qualify for the biggest arsehole on site

Congrats ... that’s not easily done ... but then again, I suppose it’s a lot easier if you’re a natural.

There's wrong on both sides...

Too many Christians talk down to non-Christians. You might hold something as fact, and that's fine, but it is unfair to say things like "You will go to hell because you don't believe".

That's a large part of the reason why the discussion normally ends up offending both parties.

Just on this one thread, I am able to quote numerous occasions where this occurred.

Isn't it better to say "I believe this"?

If you do believe then your morality should be superior, no? It's worthy of heaven after all.

Shouldn't you be a warm and welcoming light instead of a 200w interrogation bulb?

It's my belief that most Christians don't fully believe the doctrine themselves.

Why?

If you really did believe that an omnipotent and eternal being was watching and judging your every move and that one day every one of your actions would be prosecuted by the best lawyer in existence, then most of you would behave a lot differently.

If you did really believe then it would be abundantly clear from your behaviour that you are connected to something bigger. You wouldn't even have to declare your faith. It would be obvious to anyone that spent five minutes with you.

If I actually believed, I'd stop what I am doing right now and immediately commence walking the streets and trying to save people. It is by definition the most important and pressing task anybody could undertake and nothing would deter me. There just aren't any higher stakes. Nothing in this life would measure up to the importance of pleasing God and the best way to please him would be to bring him souls. To show those souls the light and ensure their existence into eternity.

Those seeming nutters that we see on street corners with megaphones and big evangelical signs...That's the natural result of actually believing. 

Saying that you aren't perfect isn't an excuse either. It's treated as a licence by most Christians. A licence to claim that you hold a doctrine, belief system and the love for its deity as close as is possible to your heart yet contravene some of its most basic principles every single day on numerous occasions.

In summary...the evidence of your actions serves to dissuade me of your conviction.

Sebastien ... living your life by the letter is by no means the same as living it by the Spirit.

The letter of God is easily committed to memory ... and many people like you use to it impress others ... to show their piety ... as well as judge the wicked deeds of their fellow brothers.

Living by the Spirit of God is a life of love, compassion, being gentle, kind, and patient. A life where the Almighty God plays an active role in your everyday life. You my friend are very far from that.

I have seen your drunken rants on here. I have seen how you render judgement on others during these drunken binges ... and I have seen some very foul language coming from you.

You have done Christ no favours on here ... so please stop pretending to be so righteous.

None of your passages contribute or explain what it is to live in the Spirit ... so I‘m a little puzzled by why you’d include them ... ??

Was the intention to impress us?

No ... I am definitely not part of a cult. What gave you that impression? Feel free to be direct. I’m that way and prefer it to painting word pictures.

So ... going to church is no longer part of your life because they don’t preach your version of the Bible ... really? Please explain what you mean. Which version would you like to hear in church? I only know of one.

You seem to think you can teach me something. Great!!!! I’m always up for something fresh ... something new ... something that I don’t know.

I look forward to your input. 

CC

I like both you and Rooi haha

Ja, I must be mad.

It's that Trad fake account that gets on my tits.

Draad, you have learnt this lesson. "nothing to do with the religion of any of the characters, but how they treated someone in need". 

Exactly. What Jesus is saying is that being a good person has nothing to do with what religion someone is. 

Jesus contradicts what the Church says about asking for forgiveness, or only one religion is right. (They religion that happens to sell an insurance policy for).  

This is the moral of the story. Someone could go to Church every day, but that does not make them a good person, but if a non-religious person is a good person they have more chance of getting into heaven (afterlife etc). 

---SharkBok 20:19:04, RuckersForum.

Samaritans and Jesus[edit]

Jesus' target audience, the Jews, hated Samaritans[7] to such a degree that they destroyed the Samaritans' temple on Mount Gerizim.[8]]

Klown, it's customary to answer someone's question before asking your own . . . unless it's an interrogation rather than a debate or an argument.

I'm more than happy to point out where you differ from the bible, right after you answer my questions. I count 5 of them but 2 of those are clearly rhetorical. If you think the other 3 are stupid and childish, that's fine, don't answer them . . . but just don't have a little snivel because I'm not answering your questions. Okay? Fair?

Also, I know you're not the shiniest coin in the fountain but at least try to understand that my suggestion that we let this thread disappear off the page wasn't for my sake, it was for you and all your new pals who were having a communal frothy because I started this thread. 

I have noticed that some of your new pals who stated they would take no part on this thread have actually had quite a lot to say since then so if the thread does continue then I'm happy . . . I'm just not going to answer new questions from you until you have the balls and/or the common courtesy to answer the questions I've already asked. Both Moffie and Baboon-ou regularly expect the same thing from me and I don't entertain their strident squealing so I don't see why I should make an exception for you.

The outstanding questions in case you're not clear:

1. You said that after year zero that "life of a sort was placed on the planet" and then all of that same life was "destroyed after a time". Elaborate on "after a time" please. What was that time period? Does it fall in between year zero and year 10 million or do we only start counting the 10 million years when "after a time" finishes?

2. What happened in the period from year 10 million to year 15 million (the gap between points 4 and 5 on your original post)? Why is there that distinction? You say 10 million years pass by and then after 10 million years nothing else happens but then you start again at 15 million years. There seem to be 5 million years unaccounted for. 

3. Where did all the water go to? You said the water was "pushed back" . . . I think most of us know what happens when we "push" water anywhere, it returns . . . so stop pretending it's a stupid or childish question. Where did that water go to?

The ball is in your court, Klown.

Redneck ... perhaps you should learn to read ... or at least work on your comprehension skills.

You are so busy patting yourself on the back that you've taken nothing in. Perhaps it's that obtuse personality of yours coming through again. You should work on that.

I have already answered your first two questions and your third is a really stupid question so I won't bother with it.

As I said ... come up with something that's not so juvenile. You are an educated man ... try to behave like one.

Now try again, arsehole.

No Shark, you have learned that lesson, I learned it a very long time ago. You still miss some if it. It's not what you do or don't do, its why.

I try not to be judgmental and I really try not to offend others, but I do get involved when I'm denied the same courtesy. I should react less to this constant baiting.

It's hard to accept how Koosie tried to humiliate his most loyal supporter, Clean Cut. First by isolating his beliefs in a new thread and then by mocking his beliefs.

I guess that's the way Koosie rolls......it's just his way of thanking a board buddy for his loyalty.

If you're reading this post Clean Cut ......a word of advice.

Shutdown all your social media accounts......now!

CC I'm not going to justify any of my irregularities and yes you are spot on, such behaviour is totally out of line and I had to repent of this which I did sometime ago. Also I would like to apologise to those who I offended or set an extremely bad example. I accept that.

I am a sinner just like everybody is. The only difference is that I get convicted when I sin, admit it ask for forgiveness and strength to overcome and move on. I have to rely on Christ's redemption...I accept that and He paid for mine as a gift and I received that. It is my only passport. and so is it for everyone else...your, our and my good deeds won't save , our goodness is contaminated and the scripture says they are like filthy rags to God.

Anyway, you are right in some things that you have said, but just remember the biggest sins are hypocrisy and self...selfishness, pride and self-righteousness. The "old man" must die daily and the "new man" must feed and drink of the Bread of Life and the New Wine.

I have not been a Christian for very long...I came out of quite an exciting but sinful life and am still a "baby" in Christ and learning daily. I don't miss the old life at all and the truth has set me free.

I don't go to church simply because they don't preach what I read in the scriptures and entice people with a false gospel...that is very clear. The scripture is easy to interpret when you read it with your new heart and spiritual vision. Not difficult and tedious as it used to be at boarding school when the old Anglican minister rambled on and on.

Speak when spoken to, Dunce. And who gave you permisiion to address me Huh? 

Talking about friends.....how many do you have on here Mr Personality??? I can name 6 shitlists where your name is common to all.

Anyway, that's besides the point, good try at diverting the topic.......fact is you shat on the face of your biggest and only supporter.

"Nice work"

Being baptised on a budget....

CC It is very clear...Jesus fulfills the law. The law shows us as imperfect, because there has not been a single human being living or dead that has not broken at least one of them and yes I don't only mean literally or physically, one example given by Him was adultery, you don't necessary have to fornicate with another woman outside marriage but even if you lust after her in your heart or imagination , it boils down to the same thing...maybe the consequences are less harmful but nevertheless the seeds are sown and if that other woman invites you in you are gone.

There are many other ways we get tempted, hatred, bitterness, unforgiveness, manipulation, deceitfulness,greed, untruthfulness, false pride, selfishness and indifference (lack of true love) and a host of others.

Christ (who knew no sin...the only human who never sinned  and overcame temptation) willingly took all our sins and iniquities upon Himself and died in our place for our sins and all the sins ever commited by mankind on a cross at Golgotha. That's a fact of history.

On the 3rd day He rose from the dead...He overcame death.

Although Christ was the Son of God and part of the Godhead, He was not supernatural when He walked the earth, He willingly became man in the flesh, He was a natural man, part of the Godhead who willingly subject Himself to our weaknesses. Yes He did miracles but He did this to reassure His followers that He was indeed the coming Messiah. He told His disciples that He would sent us the Comforter, ie the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead.

It is the Comforter that helps us on earth, He is part of God and Christ. He guides, fills us with Himself and is indeed a Comfort...He also convicts of sin.

That's exactly what I read in the scriptures or bible if you like. Yes, there are numerous versions, some a little wobbly others better in interpretation but all with the basics of the easy to understand message.

However, a vast majority of churches are following false docrines, ie Prosperity Gospel, Word of Faith...this is twisted and perverted.

Preachers like Benny Hinn, Ray Mc Cauley, Angus Buchan, Joyce Meyer and a myriad of others.

All Wolves in Sheeps clothing...very deceptive to the average person and even the sophistated.

Nice to hear from you Cloudy...yes you're quite right, you can deceive others, even yourself but certainly not Him.

A stunned silence ensues.

I wonder if Moffie is dredging through the archives looking for a single instance of me ever saying Jesus never existed or if the doddering old drunkard is praying to his supreme being to spin the sun in a reverse direction for a few muntes so that his latest lie can just go away?

LMAO!

Put up or shut up you disgusting liar.