The World According to Klown . . .

""I get plenty of religious nutters knocking on my door try to convert me but never had an atheist turn up to."

It was created by comedy writer Ariane Sherine and launched on 21 October 2008, with official support from the British Humanist Association and Richard Dawkins.[2] The campaign's original goal was to raise £5,500 to run 30 buses across London for four weeks early in 2009 with the slogan: "There's probably no god. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion, agreed to match all donations up to a maximum of £5,500, providing a total of £11,000 if the full amount were to be raised. The campaign reached that target by 10:06AM on 21 October and had raised £100,000 by the evening of 24 October. The campaign closed on 11 April 2009, having raised a total of £153,523.51.[3]

The first buses started running on 6 January 2009 – 800 ran around the UK and it was also planned to place 1,000 adverts on the London Underground featuring quotations from famous atheists. There were also two large LCD screens placed on Oxford Street, central London.[4]"

Lol, fund raising and all! You can Google the rest and I'm sure you'll find something similar quite often. Atheists have been "evangelising" for a very long time!  

No one, can understand the mystery of true conversion to Christ, it is folly to the natural man. You can argue till you are blue in the face. Spiritual things and natural things are quite different in most ways although in many ways they are compatable.

When people are truly seeking the truth and the meaning of life and what's it all about they often start searching in the bible. They start with the Old Testament which is very difficult to understand without inspiration or without "spiritual eyes" (excuse this term).

My suggestion is to read the Gospels first...in this context you can see the main theme...the arriving of a Messiah/Saviour...the Old Testament are the Israelite interactions with God, the legalities (difficult to understand) message and prophecies of a coming Messiah.

The new testament gets to the message quickly and is far easily understood.

I was an out and out hard arse unbeliever once, probably far worse than Crusaderfan or even Rooinek, believe me.

Nobody is beyond redemption...it is the hard-arses that fall hardest...it's very frustrating people misunderstand our motives...they think we want to prove a point or make "conversion sales", no we don't, rather leave that to the Mormons or JW's.

We do that because it's so good we want to share.

"Gospel" in Afrikaans is "Die Blye Boodskap"....Good News or Happy Message.

I do not rule out the possibility of there being a god of some sort and I think it is very unlikely but I do now one thing if there is a god it is nothing like the christian god in any way (or any of the other religions man has invented). 

For all you christians do you really believe that noahs ark actually happened and it happened 4,500 years ago?

And Seb what happened to make you become a christian, and why christianity and not one of the other religions?

I have known people that became reborn again Christians. They became worse people, using an objective criterion such as the Good Samaritan parable. They became fickle and fake and totally self-obsessed. 

Many people are just religious because they believe it will increase their chances of an afterlife. They bend the bible to compromise it to suit their beliefs-  then convince themselves they are good people. Beeno and Clean Cut are classic examples

I believe if people were not exposed to religion as young children they would be less susceptible to the manipulative brainwashing strategies the Church uses.

A long time ago I shared a house with someone training to become a priest. The qualification is like a doctrine. I read some of his books - and you would be surprised that most of the training had nothing to do with the Bible itself. Topics covered were rhetoric and the art of persuasion, public speaking, communication skills etc. Much of the stuff was from the ancient Greeks- that the Church used to hoard during the dark ages- when the Church reigned supreme. 

Priests that leave the church often find themselves in sales jobs because they are good bullshiters- and have no qualms lying 

"I do not rule out the possibility of there being a god of some sort and I think it is very unlikely but I do now one thing if there is a god it is nothing like the christian god in any way (or any of the other religions man has invented). You know that this is a nonsensical argument...and more a statement of belief/faith than a statement based on reason?

For all you christians do you really believe that noahs ark actually happened and it happened 4,500 years ago? (I don't believe in a global flood, but rather a local or regional flood. I believe there was a man who build some sort of vessel in which he transported some animals and people during this flood.) 

And Seb what happened to make you become a christian, and why christianity and not one of the other religions? 

 "(I don't believe in a global flood, but rather a local or regional flood."

I actually believe Shark...there are plenty of counterfeit Christians that claim to be "born again" but in fact are not. You don't get saved by being religious and going to church.. there are false teachers, false prophets and as a result manipulated changes by these shysters to make money by preaching a gospel that appeals to the flesh and can in fact make you worst.

The guy that Shark sticks on his avatar does not look like that at all...he was created as beautiful powerful being, and indeed very intelligent... an angel but fell from grace because he set up himself up to challenge the Almighty and tried to rebel...his vanity brought him down.

Satan, (Lucifer) is powerful and attractive...he has many followers...he reigns supreme worldwide, ie in Hollywood and even has a church there...Satanism, he choses in particular centres of influence and affluence and infiltrates minds of intellect and simple alike.

He appears more often as an angel of light...he is a master of deceit...he creeps into those areas by disguise...he entices people with subtle lies...he never tells blatant lies, he uses some truth and more often probably more truth with a little dash of deadly poison.

If a person wanted to kill somebody by poisoning them they would not give them arsenic in a neat form, they would lace small doses over a period into a tasty dish...that's very obvious. He works in the same manner. He does good works, is attractive and sounds very authentic.

When you are truly saved you can discern him but you must always be aware of his strategies because if you don't put on your armour of God you too can be a target.

He generally does not concentrate on those outside but moves right into the church of God and I'm not talking of buildings but the real church is those believers who have been redeemed and repented of their sins and as a result live in the true light of Gods grace. It's a choice thing...it's something we can all have...a gift that only becomes yours if you accept it, it is never automatic or an experience...it's a very practical decision of choice.

And Seb what happened to make you become a christian, and why christianity and not one of the other religions?

I take this as a sincere question and hope you are not just mocking my belief.

Anyhow I will try to be brief.

First of all I did look everwhere for the answers but the bottom line is that Christ was the only one that overcame death. He rose from the dead. No other has done that.

Secondly, I found it incredible that a man that claimed to be the Son of God was different...He forgave His enemies even as they nailed Him to the cross, this is not normal...certainly I have never heard or seen anybody doing it.

Thirdly He spoke with such truth, sense and did show the true meaning of care and love.

Fourthly, these are not words that I ever read before. I considered the following that He was either a conman and outrageous charlatan and the worst liar ever known to man or He was telling the truth and only the truth.

Finally when I got to the last question, I decided that it must be truth as there could not be a middle course.

He claimed to be the Son of God, it either was true or it was the biggest con ever...His actions and manner and the effect He had on people did not show any fault or flaw...He was beyond criticism. Also He had  power to forgive all my sin which I knew in my heart were many.

I was either going to believe in everything He said or not.

I made a choice to believe Him. Once I had taken this choice I started to change and a complete release of life's burdens were gone. I am free and happy. My attitude is different...I can feel compassion for the least lovable and yes it indeed is a miracle. I'm not ashamed to be called a follower...yes you get mocked and many times for some strange reason rejected but He said that would be the case. I can now call God Father.

PS There were other things too that became very apparent, ie when previously I often called out to God but it was dark and empty because God is Holy and Perfect and cannot answer an unredeemed person as the sin blocks, once Christ deals the sin problem you now have access to God and He hears you.

"so if you're saying the biblical version is just a fairytale "

No I am not. I'm saying the Bible is neither a History book or a science textbook. It's a record of how God interacted with mankind, from a human perspective. Genesis was written thousands of years after the events it describes happened. The finer detail is not important. 

Jesus teached almost exclusively by parables and example. Why should the Old Testament (or Torah portion of it) be any different? Genesis was written from the perspective of the people of the time. Odd that they got the sequence of "evolution" right, all except for the 4th day?  

PS, for someone calling others Bible-bashers, you sure quote scripture a lot.

The whole human population of Earth was probably confined to that are. It was no minor flood and from the perspective of those surviving, the world ended.

Rooi, explain order in the universe. Order from chaos. Cause and effect. Explain how things started to become more comlex instead of deteriorating.

Explain good and evil and why some things are right and others wrong. There are some universal truths. There are clear paterns in everything that exist. The chance of all that happening by chance is mathematically impossible...even in 13.5 Billion years. Hell, you can round that up to 20 Billion.

The Bible does not prove any of this, but it does give an possible explanation science can't really do at this stage. You are preoccupied by the possible contradictions in the Bible, what about the consistencies? None according to you.

None as blind as those who refuse to even look.

Apr 04, 2019, 16:06

"Draad, in my last post to you when I explained how little I care for the opinion of a fawning, grovelling little suck-up did you not understand what I meant or did you just flat out not believe me . . . or is there some other reason why you're still yapping away at me?"

What gives?

Apr 08, 2019, 19:10

Oh, we're back there, are we?

Thanks for replying Seb and it was a serious question for if you were as staunch an atheist as me then it is a big turn around to become a believer.

Sorry that I cant see how you came to the answers that you did, The first and biggest question is whether the bible is true and there is just so much that defies logic and obviously wrong that I can only come to the conclussion that it is almost certainly not the word of god. The day I become a believer is when god reveals himself to me (and I dont mean something like his image on a piece of burnt toast or on a dogs bum) or possibly all religions become united and believe the same thing.

My one question is you mention that everything was dark and empty, what do you mean by this? I hear words to this effect quite often but not sure what they mean, is it just feeling lonely? I live in a world free from a god but I dont experience being in a dark and empty world at all, I find it is the complete opposite to this.

Oh well, it worked with Draad. Draad was applauding his Massster's cleverness . . . on the same thread where he had the sun's rotation measuring the length of a day!!! How funny is that?

No, I commented at you "falling in your own pit" The  comment had nothing to do with Moz. I know what you meant, but that's not what you said....

"childish semantics rubbish"??? LMAO!!! Look who's talking!

Ja, en nou is ek n gatkruiper omdat ek dink dis snaaks.

At Crusaderfan

My one question is you mention that everything was dark and empty, what do you mean by this? I hear words to this effect quite often but not sure what they mean, is it just feeling lonely? I live in a world free from a god but I dont experience being in a dark and empty world at all, I find it is the complete opposite to this.

I don't want to ramble on and on, ie overkill if you get my drift...it's something deep and personal but it's like a crossroad in life and this song by Don McLean says it better than I can explain.

https://youtu.be/ea0mD2QSq1w

Yes rooitwit when Jesus says I am the door, we don't take him litterally. 

I guess you would and hence a reason why you have no clue whatsoever.