The Yanks finally encourage Pretensky to negotiate

Stav

I read your statement about Soleimane with utter amazement.    Tell me something about the issue of Osama Bin Ladern.   Did the USA  had permnission of Congress in his case?  Did the US had permission to launch the attack on Pakistani land from the Pakistan Government?   Did the attack on Bin Laden violate international or domestic law?   Well I will tell you the difference - none of the above was raised in the case of the Bin Laden .   It was just when Trump did the same thing that  the media went ballistic.   You apparently missed the praise songs on NBC and CNN about how good a family man Solemaine was and how he did not deserve to die in the way he did.

Comparing the two cases it is clear that you wrote propaganda BS in this case.

In any event  I am not supporting Russia in this case.  I cannot like you prefer to ignore what happened in Ukraine since 2014 and the fact that according to you nothing happened that could have let to the Russian attack - which basically is not true     I also condemn the Russian attacks and with the media turned into propaganda material instead of news.     I am definitely not the warmonger some people on site are.   I also am aware through tons of documents on the issue of the corrupt activities of US politicians in Ukraine and how they benefit   from the present War. 

I still believe a peace settlement is possible - but I am not convinced that the c orrupt Demcorat and Republican politicians would not reign supreme in Ukraine.  

There is no objective morality under atheism.
Objective morality requires the existence of a God and atheism denies the ultimate moral reality,the reality of God himself.

Heaven is going to be a lonely place for you.

Let's see:

1. Atheists do not go to heaven

2. Religious people who worship false Gods will not go to heaven (E.g. Budasists, Hinduists etc, etc). 

3. Catholics who make up more than 50% of the Christian faith, will not go to heaven

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So God plans to send over 95% of the world population to hell....

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Wake up you fool, think for once. 

Hey Sharktwit

All God's promises are "yes" in Christ Jesus 1Cor1v20

They are not "yes" and "no" as in your's and rooibos religion. 

This has developed in the old SB contribution level.  When his BS is exposed  he reverts to religion as an escape mechanism.     There is one question he always refuse to answer  and that is a simple one - when was he ever personally oppressed by actions of anybody due to his anti-religious stance?    He is as intolerant on religion as Stalin and Mao used to be and we know the total death rate caused by Lenin, Sttalin and  Mao based on amongst others religious oppression was circa 127 million people.    But our dear friend SB wants to oppress religion in the same way his three leaders he admired because of their anti-religion stance did.    Add to that the anti-religious stance of Hitler and we can get to 140 million people.

Stav

A bot of historical fact about  the Second World War may help you in the case of the Ukraine War and especially with regard to the Ukraine mobilization button.\ 

Stav is another really funny person.    World War 2 resulted in the deaths of 20 million people - the vast majority being civilians.   The fact is that there is one historical fact which Stav ignored and he got caught in a tangle in Ukraine as well.   lets get something straight for once:-

*     After the murder by Stalin of all the Russian army leadership - before the start of the German attack there were no Generals left alive in the Russian Army after being murdered by the Stalin Regime. - the highest officers left were Colonels with virtually no experience of wartime left.

*      In the frrst few months after the German invasion of Russia inexperienced youths under inexperienced commanding officers were forced into  war.   Of the 1,7 million youths from Ukraine for example  only circa 200 000 soldiers  survived after the first  three months of the invasion.    For the rest the USSR army with all components comprising of all troops lost at least 4 million troops due to inecompetent leadership and untrained soldiers.

*      the Russian army lost millions of soldiers through surrenders and those soldiers ended up  in prisoner camps in Germany and German occupied countries,   The Allies forced the surrendered soldiers to be returned to Russia on the insistence of Stalin.   After the Allies enforced the return - 90% of those returnees were executed by the Russians because they committed high treason by surrendering to Grman forces at the start of the war.

I mention the above examples as to Russian military  losses in WW2.   Now lets bear that in mind iro Ukraine as well.   The "mobilization button" put a huge number of untrained soldiers in jeopardy and they are being led by inexperienced commanders as well.   The fact s it must be remembered that in modern warfare training and experience is a great determinator of success.  There is no real proof of any major successes by the Ukraine army anyway.   Occupation of Kherson by the Ukraine army will show a victory - but there is no proof that that would happen.             

Plum

Biden is only a puppet - he is mentally retarded through dementia and everything he says and done is determined by WH staff,    Whenever he spoke on his own without their authority his comments are countermanded by the WH,   

So who is really in charge in the USA.   Some said it is Obama who is the puppet-master - while iro  internal law and order issues and the open border policy it is Soros, in the case of health issues (especially Covid) it is Gates and the Pharma Industry.    Insofar as foreign policy is concerned he is allowed to scream his mouth off  by China, but in the end he does nothing that displeases President Xi.   In the case of global warming the control is by certgain Green supporting organizations and Kelly.

Biden is a real joke as President - but the real king comes from the sources mentioned by me above.   Biden is just told to do what he did thus far    I am hoping that the Republicans take over the House and the Senate and force the return of Sanity in the case of the so-called Biden Presidency.   Best still - like the Democrats did in the case of Trump - they can force Biden to undergo testing by experts to determine whether he is mentally capable of being President.   Trump passed the tests in flying colors - Biden  is unlikely to pass the test.   So who will be the next puppet=President in the USA?   In terms of the US Constitution the next person in line as President will be Harris - but she is totally incompetent as well.

As big a threat of Biden being to constitutional anarchy- Harrris is even worse.                      

I feel for Biden.... how did he top the Democrat rankings in the first place,was he their best candidate?Can't believe how the voters put him in merely because of their hatred for Trump.Can you imagine the jokes going around in Russia, Iran and China about his demen tia.

Iran is next on the list to join Brics btw. It isn't an Arab country just to educate the ignorant but there are other arab states in the queue,Egypt for instance. I think Turkey is also applying but don't know how that work bring part of Nato. Saudi Arabia is also there. Russia and Iran are one and two with gas reserves in the world. 

Looks like the Russian's are withdrawing to the East bank of the Dnipro River.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63573387

Assuming this isn't a trick by Russia, then this looks like another significant victory for Ukraine. Suppose from the Russian side if the can conduct an orderly withdrawal they may not suffer significant losses which proves they may have learnt some lesson's from earlier failures.

So you say you're right and Sharktwit wrong then, that atheists have a morality?

I don't know what the 80000 Russian troops are doing though now on the frontline either. They have no ammo, planes and tanks.

So you say you're right and Sharktwit wrong then, that atheists have a morality?

Yes atheists have morality. I'm an atheist and I believe I have morality. Feel free to question me on this if you want.

So this morality within atheism is a pick and choose morality?

One doesn't have to have any objective morality since the ultimate morality is the reality of God himself. One atheist could have a certain standard and another their own subjective standard,if they have any standard worldview at all. 

So this morality within atheism is a pick and choose morality?

My morality would be determined by my sense of empathy and sympathy. Kinda of, don't do on to others what you wouldn't want done to yourself.

One doesn't have to have any objective morality since the ultimate morality is the reality of God himself.

What's objective morality?. To me there is just morality. Objective morality to me sounds like a made up thing by religious people to say they alone know what true morality is.

One atheist could have a certain standard and another their own subjective standard,if they have any standard worldview at all.

I don't see a problem with this.As for a world view, no they don't have a standard worldview at all, the only thing guaranteed to be common among atheists is a lack of belief in gods. An atheist could be a Republican or Democrat, pro-abortion or anti-abortion, they could be for or against immigration. They could be on any political spectrum or have a mix of political views.

The only logical reason for the USA now wishing to get around a table with Russia and whoever else to negotiate is financial.

The "Banks" holding all this money that has been set aside for this so called invasion is due to the fact that the Banks have no place to hide the funds that have been diverted to USA politicians holdings.

Plus with the chance that the Republicans might own the house after this election and forsure are going to investigate all monies held by the Demorats and the banks they are running scared.

Truth time Demorats.

Moonrover religion is just an interpretation of divinity, it is philosophy. E.g. What is the purpose of life" etc, etc.

Somehow your interpretation of God (your philosophy) is better than everyone, even those that share your faith. Just because you have been brainwashed, your belief does not make it true.

You are of the understanding that to get into heaven you have to believe in God. (everyone else is just cattle). You have been sold an afterlife insurance policy by a used car salesman.  Once the Church have you in the position they own you. 

Sharkbok by issuing forth your judgment on Christianity  makes your religion(philosophy) more important and therefore your statement judgment on yourself. 

I will make it simple for you Stav.

Jesus is the epitome of empathy:-

Matthew 9:36, ESV: When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.

Nato is just using the poor Ukranian soldiers as cannon fodder.
They made the decision to advance on Russia and it's effectively them vs Russia and not Ukraine vs Russia.
It's their missiles and that are reigning down on hospitals,civilians in Kherson.They are effectively to blame for much of the carnage.
So Kim the atheist tyrant now joins in the fray and sends a "dangerous' ballistic missile over Japan,a nuclear capable ballistic missile.What a mess this Nato has begun.

Hey Rooibos

You still smoking that weed. We spoke to you a long time ago but you keep on with it. Since it's been legit you must have gone totally gagga.

Remember Moses came forth in his Triumph.You get it 1,2,3,4... don't worry if u don't get it, I will explain it to you next year. 

You have our sympathy Rooiass.

Appears you are so warped that you cannot think of anything but ass.

But then again we never expected much from you anyway.

By the way we have been to the Garden of Gethsemane and also sat in the cave on the slab that Jesus laid on.

It was the most serene experience of my and my families lives that we have ever experienced.

Now we get jerks like Rooi thrashing all and everything that many in this world believe in.

What a pity.

Hate...

Nato is just using the poor Ukranian soldiers as cannon fodder.

So they should of just not done anything and watch Russia take over Ukraine?

They made the decision to advance on Russia and it's effectively them vs Russia and not Ukraine vs Russia.

Ever single country that entered Nato wanted to join Nato. Everyone of them and the why is simple, they wanted protection from Russia. As for it being Russia vs Nato, Nato have supplied equipment, training and intelligence but the men fighting on the ground are 99% Ukrainian.

It's their missiles and that are reigning down on hospitals,civilians in Kherson.They are effectively to blame for much of the carnage.

Not a single missile would have been fire by either side had Russia not chosen to invade. Ukraine isn't perfect, far from it and I'm sure there will be cases of Ukrainian's units committing war crimes and there will be cases of civilians being accidentally caught in Ukrainian crossfire. But Ukrainian crimes if any pale into  comparison to what Russia doing where its deliberately committing war crimes like targeting civilian area's and Ukraine's critical infrastructure. When Russia retreats it leaves behind plenty of evidence of torture, rape and murder of civilian's. Its forced relocation of civilians from Kherson is pretty much the definition of ethnic cleansing. One country launch a war of aggression based on false pretenses, the other country is simply defending itself.There is no equivalence between the two.

So Kim the atheist tyrant now joins in the fray and sends a "dangerous' ballistic missile over Japan,a nuclear capable ballistic missile.What a mess this Nato has begun.

What's that got to do with Kim being an atheist and what the f**k has that to do with NATO? Its the same nonsense North Korea has been doing for years, firing off missiles and complaining about South Korean and American joint military drills.

A classical thread….pretty much every poster pursuing their favorite topic, Shark about the culpability of religion and Tokkie about the bad Ukrainians who persecuted the Russians. One wonders if Tokkie hasn’t seen the ironical similarity to the Jameson Raid. But the classic is Peeper turning it into a homosexual thing. He doth protest too much methinks.

A classical thread….pretty much every poster pursuing their favorite topic, Shark about the culpability of religion and Tokkie about the bad Ukrainians who persecuted the Russians. One wonders if Tokkie hasn’t seen the ironical similarity to the Jameson Raid. But the classic is Peeper turning it into a homosexual thing. He doth protest too much methinks.

Here’s the Jameson Raid….the same, dishonest arguments. Ukraine is simply the result of Putin’s own psychological needs and he used the persecution of Uitlanders to justify it…..from the Cecil Rhodes playbook:

1895 Britain was getting more confident about taking action in South Africa. Joseph Chamberlain was appointed Colonial Secretary. He joined forces with Rhodes to try to develop and promote the British Empire in South Africa.

In September and October 1895 the Drift Crisis between the Cape Colony and the Transvaal or SAR developed. The Cape had finished building a railway line to Johannesburg and tried to get as much of the Transvaal's railway traffic as it could by reducing its rates. It was aware that the Transvaal's Delagoa Bay line was al most complete. The Transvaal government increased the rates on the part of the railway that ran through the Transvaal once it had crossed the Vaal River. In answer to this, goods were taken to the Vaal River by train, and then taken further by wagon to avoid paying the higher prices in the Transvaal. Kruger reacted by blocking access to the Transvaal, closing the drifts on the Transvaal side. The British government demanded that Kruger open the drifts and used the situation to involve itself directly in Transvaal affairs.

In addition to the Drift crisis the Jameson Raid was the culmination of the activities of the Reform Movement, which a number of successful mining and business personalities started in the turbulent early days of Johannesburg, with the support of Cecil John Rhodes. British and Jewish Businessmen protested against what they felt to be the Boer Transvaal Government's discriminatory attitude to the Uitlanders(foreigners) in Johannesburg, who had contributed in no small measure to the growth of the mining town. The Kruger government had been putting pressure on the mining companies in the form of taxes, and they maintained monopolies over items such as the dynamite needed for deep-level blasting and for railway construction which led to high transport tariffs. As no attempt was made to solve the Uitlanders' grievances by peaceful discussion and negotiations, Rhodes began planning an uprising of Uitlandersin Johannesburg, and the Reform Movement decided to overthrow the government by taking up arms. The uprising was timed to coincide with an invasion of the Transvaal from Bechuanaland (present day Botswana), by Dr Leander Starr Jameson. Rhodes wanted to take over the government of the Transvaal and turn it into a British colony that would join all the other colonies in a federation. Chamberlain helped plan the Jameson Raid.

The Raid

The Jameson Raid, illustration by P. W. Wheeler, taken from South African History in Pictures, as published in The Star. Hold mouse pointer over text blocks in the image to see transcription...

The raid was launched on 29 December 1895, when Jameson and armed forces crossed the border from Bechuanaland (Botswana). Jameson, however, had been too hasty. Earlier, while Jameson waited on the border, the Uitlander leaders in Johannesburg were arguing among themselves about the kind of government to be put into place after the invasion. Many of the Uitlanders had no interest in violent uprising. Rhodes had actually decided to call off the raid, but by that time it was too late as Jameson and his party had already crossed into the Transvaal.

Communication was lacking and plans were botched when all telegraph lines were not cut as had been planned. Consequently, the Boers received warning of the attack, and Jameson was forced to surrender on 2 January 1896 at Doornkop near Krugersdorp. The raid had been a failure.

The prisoners were handed over to their own government and the Uitlander leaders who had been part of the plot were put to trial in Johannesburg. Some of them were condemned to death, but the sentences were later reduced to large fines.

Rhodes was forced to resign as the premier of the Cape Colony and the political problems between Afrikaans and English-speaking people became worse than ever in the colony. The Orange Free State co-operated more closely with the Transvaal. Transvaal residents felt that they were being threatened and Uitlanders were treated with more suspicion than ever before.

And Kherson has been liberated... Slava Ukraini!

History lessons from Mike????

A couple of your points are interesting but your atheist mindset is the same as Rooibos...totally carnal.
As Mike has mentioned Biden is a puppet and if he mentions peace negotiations then it's not him doing the talking.Since 2014 the Russian separatists have held a huge swathe of land which is largely Russian speaking.For Pretyensky he first wants Putin deposed and now he wants all his land.Let your Nato continue on it's warmongering route,without any gas since Russia and Iran hold the world's most reserves.

A couple of your points are interesting but your atheist mindset is the same as Rooibos...totally carnal.

Call it what ever you want, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

As Mike has mentioned Biden is a puppet and if he mentions peace negotiations then it's not him doing the talking.

Mike has zero credibility on any topic.  But maybe unlike Mike you can provide evidence to back up that claim?

Since 2014 the Russian separatists have held a huge swathe of land which is largely Russian speaking.

Let me correct that for you

Since 2014 the Russian separatists have held a huge swathe of land which is not Russian land.

For Pretyensky he first wants Putin deposed and now he wants all his land.

Zelenskyy was elected on a platform of peace but also not to give up any territory. He didn't start this war and him wanting all of Ukrainian territory back is a perfectly reasonable position and is supported by the vast majority of the Ukrainian people . Yes he has said no negotiations with Russia while Putin is still in charge but if Putin offered to pull out of Ukraine completely tomorrow I'm sure Zelenskyy wouldn't care if Putin remained in power in Russia.

Let your Nato continue on it's warmongering route,without any gas since Russia and Iran hold the world's most reserves.

Nato did not invade Ukraine. Let your Russia continue on it's warmongering route without any economy, since the west hold the worlds most wealth and advanced technology. NATO countries can source gas from elsewhere if they need too. America doesn't.

"Mike has zero credibility on any topic.  But maybe unlike Mike you can provide evidence to back up that claim?'

You havn't refuted any of Mike's lengthy discussions,you're a joke.

There is no truth to be found in the core of atheism, just darkness and gloom. All you cling to are half - truths at best.