UK Government Pledge to take 20,000 Afghanistan Refugees

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/17/uk-to-take-20000-afghan-refugees-over-five-years-under-resettlement-plan

While this is a noble cause, is it really a good idea?
Some of these people will believe in Sharia law which promotes converting people to Muslim and is hardly compatible with Democratic values in the 21st century.
If someone is already radicalized with these beliefs, they could be a potential future terrorist or sleeper agent. 

And just because they are opposed to the Taliban, does not make them instantly good people. 
When Saddam Hussein gassed the Curds, maybe they would have done the same.

...AND, this would be a perfect cover for terrorists to enter the UK...

Obama had the Syrian refugee crises caused by an irresponsible withdrawal from Iraq...now Biden stands watch over an Afghan crises, caused by a similar withdrawal of troops...conspiracy theorists could not have scripted it better...too much smoke.

Why are those people leaving Afghanistan?  That question is hte first thing to ask.   The vst majority are trying to get out in fear for their lives because they do not support Sharia law as practiced by the  reactionary Taliban regime.   I would not have reservations about the Afghans - there are much worse types in England from Pakistan  - the heartland of the reactionary Muslims.

There is a minor danger though and that is their may be plants from the Taliban amongst them - but that would not be widespread at all.     The fact is the people involved has worked with the Allies and are really fleeing from Afghanistan in fear of their lives.         

If they believed in Shira law then why would they want to leave Afghanistan, that's what law the Taliban will enforce.

Just an example of the stupidity of our western leaders thinking short time for their next election and not looking at the bigger picture.

These so called leaders are generating more and more problems for us citizens by allowing these so called refugees in.

With the west's week immigration laws and "Chain Migration" policies it will only be a matter of a generation or two to be flooded out with these Shira so called refugees.

Stand up, speak up and be counted folks your off-spring is going to suffer because you did not do and say what had to be said or done.

@Stav,

It appears Afghanistan has always applied Sharia Law. 
(Perhaps it was less extreme over the last 20 years? ). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_Sharia_by_country

Afghanistan[edit]

SB

Shariah  law is generally applied in all Muslim countries  - but there are differences  in countries as to what is  in fact enforced and what is rather optional when it comes to  implementation, in other words it is not implemented in the more lenient countries than in  for instance Saudi  Arabia, Iran, Pakistan and  now Afghanistan.

The problem is that for instance the Pakistani population in the UK apply the reactionary elements of Sharia Law as well - causing serious legal complications 

I know strict adherents to Shariah law amongst he Muslims as well as other Muslims who are against excesses embodied in it.   My personal; lawyer is one of the latter.    So not all Muslims are reactionaries and that I think what is driving many Afghani's into a state of panic and fear. ihey fear the ultra-reactionary way the Taliban applies shariah law.          

Muslims are literally invading the western worlds, trying to implement their Sharia law all over the world, but especially in the UK, where complete towns have been taken over by muslims

I honestly shudder to think what the population make up will be like in the UK in 30 - 50 years from now....

The usual British way of life and culture, will be no more

What the ehll has this to do with far-right conservatives  dimness  -it is about the same as your refusal to admit theta Biden and Harris campaigned vigorously against vaccination in the election campaign last year and in their Black and Latino voting blocks  the vaccination level reach is at present 30% and Latino's 42%.  They obviously believe what the  two told them and the effect of their campaigning is still evident.   None of the Republican Leaders has advised against vaccination - they suggested people should get vaccinated - but they have the democratic right to refuse vacciantion.     

Muslims are literally invading the western worlds, trying to implement their Sharia law all over the world, but especially in the UK, where complete towns have been taken over by Muslims.

There has been an increase in Muslim immigration into Europe but to call it an invasion is a a gross over exaggeration.

Can you name me a single country where Muslim migrants have got the law changed to Sharia law? Yes Muslims in the UK have used Sharia law in civil disputes among themselves but they have not imposed it onto non Muslims.

Incidentally Muslims surveyed in the UK where asked if they would prefer sharia law to the UK law. A majority of those surveyed said they prefer UK law.

Can you name me one town in the UK that has been taken over by Muslims? And by the way a street, a district or a borough does not constituent a town.

"I honestly shudder to think what the population make up will be like in the UK in 30 - 50 years from now...."

Here is what Pew Research Center project will happen.

https://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/

Depending on three scenario's of no migration, normal migration and high migration scenarios. Basically the UK will have Muslim population of 9.7% with no migration, 16.7% with normal migration and 17.2% with high migration. You can also see what the projections are for other countries.

Generally speaking Europe has an aging population with a declining birth rate for its native population, so even if there was no migration, the percentage of Muslims would go up anyway due to their higher birth rates.

Its the declining birth rate that's driving the migration into Europe. Europe needs more able bodied young people to work to supports its ever increasing non working elderly population. governments are just not being honest about why the allow migrants in.

The usual British way of life and culture, will be no more

I'm not for a second saying there isn't challenges with immigration and Muslim integration, the Muslim communities in many countries haves issues with radicalization but the vast majority of them abide by the laws of the countries they live in.

I'm be far more way of English nationalism being a threat to British way of life, its tearing the UK apart at the seams.

Stav,

In the context that the world is getting overpopulated, the trend of richer countries in the 21st century is to have fewer children. (At least compared to the pre-industrial era). In the Agrarian era, lots of kids were great as farm workers to make a profit. Not so today...
If everyone had 2 children, the population would actually decrease over time. 

If an economy grows by 3% each year, in 10 years the country is 30% richer. (Actually, a bit more than that for the bean counter accountants). 

If a countries economy can grow faster than the population. they will overcome poverty, famine, petty crime and have a society where the middle class is the significant majority. This will create political stability within the country, and also a voter electorate that is more competent at electing Democratic leaders. (America excluded- but that problem is because all their politicians have been bought and paid for by the corporates- so they turned to Trump because he had no political background).

Education could become more subsidized, health care etc, etc. It could be a much better world. Also better for other life on earth, the environment etc, etc. 

The opposite is happening in countries where populations are exploding. This is a key reason these countries are the third world.
Africa for example has an average of around 6 children per person. The economy is not growing, and the population is exploding. (Every country has their own freeloaders that do not work- why import more from another country). 

While having refugees is a noble gesture, many of these people will not be compatible with 21st-century values in the West. (The reality is that many people from Muslim countries believe in Sharia law etc). A bit like how the West used to have lots of far-right Christian conservatives who based their moral code on backward desert people. 

So, if other nationalities and races from the 3rd world go to first world countries, will they become 1st world people- or just turn the 1st world into the 3rd world.

Sure, these countries have terrible political leaders which is half the problem- but the people are also responsible. Most black children in Africa have never met their father.

I would rather focus on importing people from Democratic countries- at least until the whole world is Democratic. 
A give and take relationship - like a student exchange in school. Why import other countries plumbers? Rather import their doctors...

"There has been an increase in Muslim immigration into Europe but to call it an invasion is a a gross over exaggeration"

You think so....?

According to the "MCB", (Muslim Council of Britain), based on the 2001 census, the 10 year period between 2001 and 2011, the Muslim population in the UK increased by 75%.

According to Statista.com. the Muslim population in Britain could go from 6.3% to 17.2 by 2050...…due to the ever increasing numbers either being born in the UK, or coming to the UK for whatever reason

Imagine that number by 2070, which is why I said, 30 - 50 years from now.

According to the the UK's Office for National Statistics, the largest growing faith in the UK is Muslim and according to the same report the Muslim population in the UK increased by a further 16% just between the 5 year period of 2011 - 2016

In 2010, the Muslim population of Germany was 4.1 %, and this has been projected to go up to 19.7% by 2050.....

"Can you name me a single country where Muslim migrants have got the law changed to Sharia law?"

I never said they have done this to any country, I stated that they want to implement their own sharia laws all over the world, including taking over towns completely, hell, just look at the documentary that they made about Luton in the UK,  as an example, but there are also many more incidents where they are specifically attacking white women for wearing western clothes in their own British town.

52% of more than 5 000 British people who were polled said that they believed that Muslims created problems in Britain.

From "newyorker.com"

The cleric Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, who praised the September 11th terrorists as the “Magnificent Nineteen,” preached in Luton. He was barred from Britain in 2005, but exponents of Al Muhajiroun—a group that he ran with Anjem Choudary which was banned in 2004—have continued to proselytize in Luton. The 2005 London transport bombers embarked from Luton’s train station; Taimour Abdulwahab al-Abdaly, the Stockholm suicide bomber, received a degree in physical therapy from a university in Luton

Also, according to "The Guardian", newspaper, 1/3 of British people that were polled believed that Islam is a current threat to the British way of life, so it is definitely not just my own isolated view on this.

Google this book by David Vincent:

2030: Your Children's Future in Islamic Britain: Europe's Great immigration Disaster

As I stated, it is most definitely an invasion...… and whether that takes a little bit longer to happen, than most people would like, it is an invasion nonetheless

You think so....?

According to the "MCB", (Muslim Council of Britain), based on the 2001 census, the 10 year period between 2001 and 2011, the Muslim population in the UK increased by 75%.

According to Statista.com. the Muslim population in Britain could go from 6.3% to 17.2 by 2050...…due to the ever increasing numbers either being born in the UK, or coming to the UK for whatever reason

Imagine that number by 2070, which is why I said, 30 - 50 years from now."

Yes I think so. The numbers you posted here are inline with what the Pew Research Center indicated. If the numbers with normal migration rate continue Muslims will make up around 22-23% of the population of the UK by 2070. So at present rate Muslims could become the majority in around 2150. However it would be extremely hard to predict that far in the future, migration could increase or decrease due to other factors. The UK probably won't exist in its present forum by then, Northern Ireland and Scotland will probably no longer be part of the UK, other countries may become a more desirable destination for migration depending on economic factors.

"I never said they have done this to any country, I stated that they want to implement their own sharia laws all over the world, including taking over towns completely"

Then why did you bring it up? Some Muslims may want to live under Sharia law but not all Muslims do. Where Sharia law has been used in the UK to resolve civic disputes its been used among Muslims and not been enforced on non Muslim population and its fine if all parties involve agree to it but is has no legal basis in UK law and can no way over ride UK law. Yes perhaps some Muslims because of family members and traditions are forced into using Sharia law where the don't want to, but they always have recourse to the actual law courts while living in the UK.

If you look you won't find a single town in the UK that's been taken over completely by Muslims. Good look finding one where its even 50%

"just look at the documentary they did on Luton as an example, but there are also many more incidents where they are specifically attacking white women for wearing western clothes in their own British town."

Can you link me to information on the attack on white women for wearing western clothes please?

I'm not saying there has not been issues, and if situations like you said above occur those people should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But at the same time there has been huge numbers of Islamophobic attacks committed against Muslims.

Hmmm . . . didn't Baboon-ou tell us not too long ago that Christianity was winning and Islam was losing?

Some of the numbers on this thread would suggest that the exact opposite is happening.

"Then why did you bring it up?"

Then why did you make it out that I said something...  that I quite obviously and clearly didn't?

I brought it up, beca use that is what I believe, so in the process of responding to me, try not to make up stuff that I said, which I clearly didn't, to try and get your point across.

"Where Sharia law has been used in the UK to resolve civic disputes its been used among Muslims and not been enforced on non Muslim population"

Incorrect, Muslims have repeatedly tried to force their beliefs onto English people, not all over, but definitely in certain areas. 

Another statistic which may surprise you, is this..... in 2016 another poll amongst Muslim's in the UK was done, where they were asked if Sharia Law should be implemented to resolve all financial disputes, divorces or other family matters, but it could also cover other aspects in which Sharia Law is introduced instead of British law … and 43% of Muslims supported that statement.

Another issue is that back in 2009 there were already 85 recognized "Sharia Courts" in the UK.... why?

All citizens of any country should adhere to that country's laws, just like Dubai, Saudi etc etc, with no exceptions.... those Muslim countries don't make separate exemptions or laws for us westerners, so why should we for them...….and if they don't like it, then they should move to the country where that law works for them.... simple.

"South Africa's population has something like doubled in 30 years. It is impossible for the economy to keep up, so the place has become another African banana state. 

Then why did you make it out that I said something...  that I quite obviously and clearly didn't?

I brought it up, because that is what I believe, so in the process of responding to me, try not to make up stuff that I said, which I clearly didn't, to try and get your point across.

@Stav,

If even 1% of refugees are radicalized by Islam, that is a lot of inside agents...
All Arab states have a high percentage of people that would rather convert to Islamic Sharia laws. Sure, there will be the extreme and the moderate- but it still exists as an ideology that can flip people to the worst. 

The bombings that happened in London were organized by a few people living in the UK, in conjunction with terrorist groups in the Middle East. 

I was in London at the time of the bombings, and a train a few minutes before mine got bombed.
It was scary to go to work- as even buses got bombed by Islamic terrorists. 
If Ireland started getting bombed in the same way, you could feel the same way...

If even 1% of Muslims are in support of radical Sharia law and supporting terrorism - it is just not worth it. 

If more than 50% of the UK population becomes Muslim, what is to stop the UK from becoming an Islamic state.

When Afghanistan was taken over so easily and quickly by the Taliban, it is highly likely they had inside agents within the prior political establishment feeding them information. 

@sharkbok

1% seems a bit high too me. Firstly the UK will mostly be taking people and families of people who already worked with them in Afghanistan. The likelihood that these contain radicalized people in my opinion is quite low, though I would not exclude the possibility of radicalized infiltrators.

However if you actually look at what the UK is proposing its only 5,000 refugees now and 15,000 more over five years which is frankly a joke. What are the other 15,000 supposed to do for the next 5 years, remain hiding in a basement hoping the Taliban don't find and murder them. So as it stands its likely Britain will take in much less than 20,000 refugees.

I'm aware it takes very few people to be radicalized to commit a terrorist atrocity that can effect many lives so even a small number poses a threat.

So you have to balance that risk against the morale responsibility the UK have for partially f***ing up Afghanistan and also not being a shower of two faced bastards who abandoned the people who fought and died alongside them for 20 years.

I can absolutely understand anyone who's suffered from Islamic terrorists being deeply suspicious of all Muslims and people like yourself who had a close shave so to speak. But the majority that live and work in the UK do so peacefully. Yes there is an issue with radicalization and the Muslim community need to do more to stamp it out. But its very unfair to punish the vast majority for the misdeeds (no matter how grave) of the few. Alot of it just fear mongering from the right wing press in the UK selling bogeymen to the public, making many terrified of Muslims without actually knowing any.

I don't think 1% of Muslims support terrorism but say they did, whats the difference between them and the IRA. The IRA probably had more than 1% support here in Ireland and Irish living n the UK during its 30 year bombing campaign, a campaign radicalized Islam,is terrorists having yet to come close to matching intensity. Yet for all that death and destruction the British never tried to limit the Irish from moving there. And much like the IRA, those radicalized Islamic terrorist will eventually realize that their violence achieved absolutely nothing. The UK has endured for 100's of years and endured far more significant crisis than a half dozen Islamic terrorist attacks that are no threat to the existence of the state. Same for European countries like France.

If more than 50% of the UK population becomes Muslim, what is to stop the UK from becoming an Islamic state.

We are about 120 years away from that point and then you have to assume all Muslims will want an Islamic state.

@Stav,

My policies with the Middle East are simple. 

1.) Do not get involved in Middle East politics at all. No army base partnering with opposition groups within these countries. Give these countries the right to self-determination. 
No under-the-table deals etc, etc. (Easier now, as the world, is less dependent on Middle East oil). 

2.) Do not import any more refugees from the Middle East because some will favor Sharia law. (Just because they are fighting against the Taliban, does not mean they do not want Sharia law). 
Sharia Law is the predominant law in Islamic states, and it is a subversion of Democracy. 

3.) All the people originally from the Middle East that are already here are welcome.
All that is asked is they respect UK laws, and don't try to force Sharia law. Over time ideally, they will accept Democratic values over Sharia values. (hopefully). 

4.) Anyone actively involved in planning terrorism should be deported if they are not originally from the UK, or arrested for investigations.  Anyone caught in implementing bombs etc should be executed. 

The same would apply to any country that is involved in terrorist bombings with people living in Western countries, but as it stands Islam is the current threat. Even if it is just 0.1%, that is who support a foreign ideology that is not compatible with democratic values, are potential terrorist act waiting to happen. 

Ireland is a Western country, and this terrorism was the West's problem- not the middle east.
We did not ask the Middle East to send Army forces to the West.
Fortunately, that should be behind us now. It was not that long ago Europe was at war against Germany but seems things are moving forward in Europe. 

1.) That's fair enough. But the UK was already involved in Afghanistan.

2.) Here is the thing, the UK needs migrants for its workforce. Okay so you don't want refugees from the middle east, who else are you going to use. The UK just give the EU a big fuck you with Brexit and the number of EU nationals coming to work had dropped off significantly and hence the UK's supply chain is buckling with 100,000 HGV drivers needed to cope for example.  What that means for the UK the more reliant on non EU nations coming, and where do they come from the why Muslim countries like Pakistan and the like. Please don't say just use unemployed nationals, they are either not located in the right parts of the country, not qualified or unwilling to do hard manual work like fruit picking or work in low payed jobs like a HGV driver. Brexit has actually increased the ratio migrants coming into the UK who are Muslim. If the Muslim replacement theory is to be believed Brexit will just make it happen quicker. The irony is lost on the people who voted for it for reasons of immigration. Not to say nothing of illegal migration now that the UK is no longer checking goods deliveries coming in from the EU. LOL...taking back control my arse. Least with the pull out of Afghanistan the UK will have more troops to deploy as delivery drivers.

There is also this perception in the UK that they are taking in more than their fair share of migrants, but that's not true, the likes of France and Germany take in far more to say nothing of neighboring Muslim countries closer to conflict zones. The UK is actually quite a difficult place to reach for migrants. They have to get from one end of Europe to another. But try tell that Nigel Farage as he rants against the life saving RNLI. Well done Nigel all you did was increase donations to them.

3.) That's absolutely fine.

4.) I agree provided the UK has not already made them UK citizens. IMO if UK citizenship can be removed afters its granted than you where never a UK citizen, you never had the same rights as a native born citizen. As executing people...are you trying to channel Priti Patel here or something? This is the 21st century UK not the Tudors, Saddam Hussien's Iraq or modern day America.

Yes, tune into the Live execution on Big Brother with a complimentary pigskin thrown in. 

I certainly think terrorism from Islam is a bigger threat internationally than you do. 

For example, what if the 9/11 planes had nuclear bombs inside them?
If they had the means they probably would have done it.
Anyone who is a kamikaze pilot and hijacks a plane to commit mass murder is in a different reality. (Yes, it is less than 0.1% of people that would do this, but that is a lot of people within a Western country, to ally with external terrorist groups). 

"You're being evasive"

Nope, you are just clearly being ignorant

"Thank you for arguing my point"

LMAO, ok dude...... this proves my point exactly ....  if 43% of the current 3.5 million "minority population" of Muslims in the UK would already currently support "Sharia Law" instead of British law, what do expect will happen at some point, when they do finally get a majority in any of the towns in Britain..... still push for and respect British law?..... yeah sure.

I may be out by some years, but I am definitely not wrong on what is currently happening in the UK..... it is just gradually getting worse over the years.

The UK and other countries have seen huge increases in the Muslim population in such a small space of time, and you only want to worry about that in 100 years time, good for you.....I believe that prevention is better than cure...….I am raising the issue now because I would prefer to avoid that from happening, whether it be in 30 - 50 - 70 - 100 years.

If the Muslims can already increase their population in the UK by 75% in just 10 years, as has already happened just recently, then that alone tells a story of just how quickly this could become a huge problem down the road.

As per "usanews.com"

Data show Islam is spreading, on track to surpass Christianity as the world's biggest religion.

While the world’s population is projected to grow 32% in the next few decades, the number of Muslims is expected to increase by 70% – from 1.8 billion in 2015 to nearly 3 billion in 2060, a 2017 Pew Research Center report found.

The fact that most Muslim countries have massive human rights concerns is another reason why I would hate for any British town to be overrun by Muslims.... it is synonymous with the belittlement and abuse of girls and women.... in every single Muslim run environment around the world..... and I mean every single one.

As for the links you keep demanding, I am not doing your homework for you, because clearly you did not even bother to check the documentary that I specifically mentioned, where you will clearly see the white reporter herself is attacked for what she is wearing in her own hometown, and the marching Muslims screaming that the "British police must all go to hell"..... and it was her own hometown that she was doing the documentary on.

And in this same documentary, while marching in the UK streets, the reporter asks one of these Muslims, about respecting the law of the land, because they are in the UK, to which he replies...... "If it's Islamic law of the land, we will respect it..... If it's not, they can all go to hell."

Look at the size of that group of people marching in this documentary.... I am not talking 10 or 20 people here.

Just click on YouTube and type in Muslim Sharia Law in the UK or even London or Luton, and check the groups that were walking London at night trying to implement Sharia Law, on camera..... and whilst your defense will probably be.... oh they are only small and insignificant in number..... yeah, that's precisely how all the other Muslim extremists started off..... small numbers.

I can't hold hands with my wife in a Muslim country, or even kiss her on the cheek..... because I will go to prison if I do, like any other Westerner, but the Western countries must accept and implement the Muslims laws and traditions into their own Western countries....

Bollocks to that

Anyone have the numbers as to how many muslim refugees are taken in by other muslim dominated countries vs western countries?

UAE, Saudi, Iran, Egypt, Pakistan...anyone? 

What are their quotas and commitments as to accepting r efugees?

LMAO... ja Plum..... very pertinent questions indeed.... a question which nobody would like to try and answer, I would guess.

I have used Stav's very own "Pew Research Website" reference to show that the Muslim population is actually growing at more than double the rate of the world population itself. 

India's Muslim population is also growing much faster than the majority of the population in India.

Not one single Muslim run country in the world, can boast equal human rights for all citizens.... not one.

ALL the evidence is pointing to a huge increase in Muslim populations around the world, and if they can just recently increase their population by a whopping 75% in the UK, in just over a very short 10 year period..... just imagine that number in another 30 years... by 2050.

Nah.... I reckon this is a very valid concern..... and ignorance is not an excuse.... and nor is … "Oh, it will only possibly or maybe be a problem in 100 years"

"I honestly shudder to think what the population make up will be like in the UK in 30 - 50 years from now....

The usual British way of life and culture, will be no more"

I 100% stick by this assertion

As to the heading of this thread, I find it absolutely despicable how Biden in particular has abandoned these Afghan people

 I see the Taliban have recently executed one of the Afghan police chiefs on camera and it's going viral

They could have taken a bit more time in getting everyone out before fully removing themselves, but Biden has always been trying to get this to happen and the very first clear opportunity he got, he took it, to the detriment of possible American, British and other allied personnel.

As for the Afghan people, I don't for a second blame them for feeling completely betrayed by their allies... and the hatred that the Americans create from pulling stunts like this is certainly something they don't need, as they have more than enough enemies already 

...best is, these wokies will very quickly point out humanity's history of oppression. 

Don't expect them to be just as quick to discuss the absolute oppression of people by islaM or it's doctrine which bestows upon followers the right to treat non-believers, gays, woman and just about everything else like absolute shit. 

"But it's only extremists," they say. This in the face of statistics that clearly show extreme views such as child marriage, punishment for homosexuality and death to apostates being supported by the majority of muslims. 

DA what you must remember is that when you are dealing with Star, you're likely talking to someone that has always lived in Europe and perhaps travelled briefly to 3rd world nations. 

There's a type of naivety that exists in the Euro mindset. One where people tend to think that because their secular way has been successful, foreigners with deep religious and cultural convictions will arrive and see the light. The list of negatives associated with Muslim immigration is practically endless. Unfortunately, moral high ground is such precious property that people will ignore common since simply to be there. Very tough to say no to the little endorphins rush ;)

I'd simply say...

Poland has had zero islamist terrorist attacks within it's borders. It is also a country that refuses immigration quotas. 

Acceptance of muslim immigration = accepting that people within your population will be killed by Islamist terror attacks. 

When those attacks occur, do you, as someone that supports muslim immigration into western countries, accept that some of the innocent blood is on your hands since those attacks would not have occurred had muslim refugees gone to muslim countries. 

...And the mental gymnastics issues.

"The list of negatives associated with Muslim immigration is practically endless"

I wholeheartedly agr ee

"When those attacks occur, do you, as someone that supports muslim immigration into western countries, accept that some of the innocent blood is on your hands since those attacks would not have occurred had muslim refugees gone to muslim countries"

Couldn't have said it better myself Plum, well said

If even 0.1% of the refugees can be converted to radical Islam, it is just not worth it.
While in a Democracy, people are free to practise whatever religion they want.
However, the problems start with radicalisation that occurs at some Muslim Churches (even it is just 0.1%, it only takes 1 person to light a match)

The scary thing is this:

Islam is now officially the 2nd biggest religion in the UK and Northern Ireland as well

Let's be extremely generous and say that only 0.01% of the current Muslim population in the UK is radicalized...…. that still makes it 3 500 Muslim radicals.

That is being bloody generous, and still t hat number is on the increase, every month... of every year.

Anyone who believes that nothing at all will happen, if they become the majority of the voting population, needs their head examined.....

A lot of Muslim people still profess to abstain or not wear, drink or eat certain things that have Western links ..... just until it is put in front of them, or it is for free.

Just like the Taliban did this week in the press..... do as I say, but not as I do

These numbers are actually quite astounding

Check how the whole population in the UK grew from 1961 - 2017

Then check the same for the Muslim numbers over the same period.... moer

Below that, you will see that the average growth of the Muslim population over a 10 year period from 1961 is an incredible 121%

Belgium has Sharia law in place in certain areas of the country which is run by Muslims.

Plus stats indicate that the next general election in that country could be won by the Muslim population and that's just for starters.

Stop crying all you folks you and your governments have caused the problem by opening up to the Muslim invasions and the "Chain Migration" laws you have accepted.

In Canada the East Indian population is growing at an alarming rate with "family members" arriving daily at all airports and now we have them supporting the official NDP political party.

Just a matter of time before Punjabi is the third official language in Canada.

Sign of the times with "Liberals" in government.

In truth it is a sell out as most politicians are corrupt, open to the highest bidder and have "no balls".

Welcome to the WEST. 

"Welcome to the WEST"

Crazy AJH, but very true....

"Stop crying all you folks you and your governments have caused the problem by opening up to the Muslim invasions and the "Chain Migration" laws you have accepted."

Agreed, it is an invasion...… slowly but surely creeping in... but in some places very much quicker than expected or anticipated.

Crazy how these Muslim countries just point blank refuse to budge on any of their hard line beliefs or policies regarding visiting or residing Westerners..... but passionately and voraciously demand that their beliefs and p olicies be implemented in the countries that they themselves move to..... it makes me sick

"Nope, you are just clearly being ignorant"

I'm not, you made the claim that Muslims immigrants are trying to implement Sharia law around the world. I simply asked a question, can you name a single country where they successfully got the established law changed to Sharia law.  Go back and read my post, I never made out you said anything, I just asked a question. Which you have dodged.

"LMAO, ok dude...... this proves my point exactly ....  if 43% of the current 3.5 million "minority population" of Muslims in the UK would already currently support "Sharia Law" instead of British law, what do expect will happen at some point, when they do finally get a majority in any of the towns in Britain..... still push for and respect British law?..... yeah sure.

I may be out by some years, but I am definitely not wrong on what is currently happening in the UK..... it is just gradually getting worse over the years."

What do I expect to happen if Muslims finally make up the majority of a population of a town in the UK? Absolutely nothing, because towns don't run as independent fiefdoms run by the local population in modern day Britain, they are subject to the law of the land the same as anywhere else in the UK and these laws cannot just be over ruled because of the wishes of a minority of the local population.

By the way when you say when they do finally get a majority in any town in Britain you are acknowledging that you where wrong when you said they have completely take over towns in the UK?

Personally I think you are wrong with your perception of what's going on in the present day UK.

"The UK and other countries have seen huge increases in the Muslim population in such a small space of time, and you only want to worry about that in 100 years time, good for you.....I believe that prevention is better than cure...….I am raising the issue now because I would prefer to avoid that from happening, whether it be in 30 - 50 - 70 - 100 years.

If the Muslims can already increase their population in the UK by 75% in just 10 years, as has already happened just recently, then that alone tells a story of just how quickly this could become a huge problem down the road."

Well I tend not to worry about things I won't be alive to see in general, but I don't see it as a problem for 100 years either. Because I think by the time it will take for Muslims to become the majority of the population in the UK they will have most likely liberalized and become accustomed to living under British law and the majority of Muslims will not want Sharia law imposed. And we are talking a time frame of about 150 years given current migration rates. Its very difficult to predict what will happen that far out, migration may occur even faster or be at a dramatically lower rate. I believe the problem is one of fear and lack of understanding on both sides but they are issues that can be overcome in time. 

"As per "usanews.com"

Data show Islam is spreading, on track to surpass Christianity as the world's biggest religion.

While the world’s population is projected to grow 32% in the next few decades, the number of Muslims is expected to increase by 70% – from 1.8 billion in 2015 to nearly 3 billion in 2060, a 2017 Pew Research Center report found."

I really don't care what anyone's religion is or isn't or what the worlds biggest religion, makes no difference to me.

"The fact that most Muslim countries have massive human rights concerns is another reason why I would hate for any British town to be overrun by Muslims.... it is synonymous with the belittlement and abuse of girls and women.... in every single Muslim run environment around the world..... and I mean every single one."

Yes I'd be as critical of the human rights of Muslim states as you would be. I'm also of the opinion that Islam is oppressive of women. I view it as more backward and fundamentalist religion than modern day Christianity in Europe which is pretty moderate, though I do not consider Islam much different from the more fundamentalist Christianity of the bible belt regions of America.  I'm an Atheist but I respect the rights of anyone to hold any belief system they want as long as the don't impose their will onto others and respect the laws of the land they live, which I believe the vast vast majority of Muslims living in western countries are doing. But as I've pointed already it doesn't matter if a British town is "overrun" by Muslims they can't just impose Sharia law onto anyone. They would need to get the majority support of the entire British population and then elect a government that would enact legislation to replace current law with Sharia law. Are we any where near such a scenario. No we are not.

"As for the links you keep demanding, I am not doing your homework for you, because clearly you did not even bother to check the documentary that I specifically mentioned, where you will clearly see the white reporter herself is attacked for what she is wearing in her own hometown, and the marching Muslims screaming that the "British police must all go to hell"..... and it was her own hometown that she was doing the documentary on.

And in this same documentary, while marching in the UK streets, the reporter asks one of these Muslims, about respecting the law of the land, because they are in the UK, to which he replies...... "If it's Islamic law of the land, we will respect it..... If it's not, they can all go to hell."

Look at the size of that group of people marching in this documentary.... I am not talking 10 or 20 people here."

I'm not doing your homework is code for I've got nothing to back up what I'm saying. In a debate if you make an argument its up to you provide evidence to support it, that how debates work. When you say I clearly haven't bothered to watch the video, its almost 57 minutes long so its a bit of a time commitment, but yes I've now watched it. But I'm starting to think you haven't watched because I can very clearly see the white reporter not being attacked. She goes to a protest of Islamic extremists who are protesting the arrest of a Muslim women. When she spoke to one of the female Muslim protesters she asked them about them "chanting UK police go to hell" and would a real Muslim say such things. It becomes a slightly passive aggressive conversation between the two and the Muslim women comments that the interviewer looks naked and she go should home and change clothes. There is no physical interaction between the two of them at any point.

How you can say "where you will clearly see the white reporter herself is attacked for what she is wearing in her own hometown" is beyond me but she's clearly most definitely not attacked. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you may mis-remembered this but I'd urge you to watch it again and see that you are demonstrably wrong.  If you consider that an attack than I'd advise you not watch rugby as you might consider hand-bags a crime against humanity.

Yes she does interview several Muslims who express extremist views or say they want Islamic law to be the law of the land but she also interviews moderates Muslims who clearly disagree with the extremists and resent them for giving Muslims a bad name, she also speaks with a Muslim outreach group that tries to prevent the radicalization of young vulnerable Muslim and the Muslim she interviews who calls the extremists full of hot air and cowards as they urge other to go off and fight holy wars but never do it themselves because they have family living in the UK. What about he young Muslim man who was flirting with the interviewer and admitted he goes to night clubs, is he not integrating into Western society? 

As for the size of the crowd, she estimated it to be less than 100 people, out of an Asian population in Luton of 30,000.

Just click on YouTube and type in Muslim Sharia Law in the UK or even London or Luton, and check the groups that were walking London at night trying to implement Sharia Law, on camera..... and whilst your defense will probably be.... oh they are only small and insignificant in number..... yeah, that's precisely how all the other Muslim extremists started off..... small numbers.

So I did as you asked regarding the youtube search and got one clip from 8 years ago of a Muslim patrol in London that tried to enforce a Muslim area, banning alcohol, gay people and women in short skirts. Only a handful of people where involved and 5 of them where arrested for harassment, (which proves my point, Shaira law does not overule local law) the local Mosque and Muslim community condemned their actions. What else did I get, some idiot who wants  Buckingham Police turned into a mosque and a Londonistan video showing select parts of London with large Muslim populations with Islamic and slightly sinister music playing to give the impression of city that's been overrun. Not seeing anything that suggest people trying to enforce Sharia law is in anyway a common occurence in the UK.

Have you actually done yourself what you have asked me to do?, because it doesn't make for a very convincing argument.

In that documentary. their was a brief clip of EDL protest with far more people in attendance. Care to comment on these football hooligans turned racist/Islamophobic scumbags? Or should I just tar the entire native population of the UK as racist? Should I be worried about these people, might be small numbers but that's how extremists start off.

I can if you wish link you to plenty of news stories and reports of Muslims being attacked if you think violence against Muslims is not a problem?

For example.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/22/anti-muslim-hate-crimes-soar-in-uk-after-christchurch-shootings

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/muslim-worshippers-victims-of-islamophobic-attack-in-uk/2233281

https://lemosandcrane.co.uk/resources/Islamophobia_and_Anti-Muslim_Hate_Crime.pdf

You could also go back and watch the documentary and see what the shoe is like on the other foot when Muslim women in Burka's walked around non-Mulsim areas. Of you could try to get the general gist of the what the documentary was going for  when at the end she said hoped both sides would end up coming together to understand each other more instead of selective remembering only the Muslim extremists in it. Also LAMO at Steven Lennon getting arrested.

"I can't hold hands with my wife in a Muslim country, or even kiss her on the cheek..... because I will go to prison if I do, like any other Westerner, but the Western countries must accept and implement the Muslims laws and traditions into their own Western countries....

Bollocks to that"

Not all Muslim countries are that strict. But yes we do have the follow the law of the land in those countries even though we may not agree with them but where are you getting western countries must accept Muslim laws, again please provide an example of this? As for traditions which traditions? Most western countries are tolerant places that allow freedom of worship, are you saying Muslims should not be free to practice their traditions at home or in a place of worship. IMO they can do so as long as their traditions do not violate national law.

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This is an example of a radical Muslim cleric in the UK. He was eventually put in jail. but who knows how many people he radicalized? 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37098751

If there are lots of Muslim clerics, some of them will be radicalized themselves, and they will use the mosques to brainwash people. The clerics are either deluded and actually believe what they are saying, or they are just being paid by terrorist organizations to provide new recruits. 

Who knows how many people he radicalized? Just one person like this can cause severe damage. 

If the West had Churches in Arab countries doing the same thing and being linked to terrorist attacks- would they have been as tolerant to allow this for so long. 

If radical mosques can radicalize 0.01% of people, that is way out of control. 
Until Islam starts to fade out along with other religions, it will always be a problem, so importing people from the Middle East is not a good idea. 

@Sharkbok

Man the right wing press and social media in the UK have done a number on you, have you scared sh*tless that anyone with a tan and a bit of stuble might be a jihadist.

Tell me since the UK told EU migrants to f**k off and you don't think its wise to take migrants from the middle east, who will you blame when then NHS buckles due to lack of doctors and nurses.