UK Government Pledge to take 20,000 Afghanistan Refugees

Stav, you are missing the point. I met many Muslim people in London that I worked with. Some were born here in the UK, others had moved here at a young age. None of the Muslims I worked with were radicalized, and most were barely even religious. 
I did work with people from India who had just arrived in the UK, but I don't recall working with any new Muslims.

I said 0.01%, so that is not exactly "anyone with a tan"- as you put it. Instead of arguing with the point, you are misconstruing what I said. 

The 9/11 attacks were implemented by a few people in the US, with the support of outside terrorist groups. If the planes had contained nuclear bombs, or any extreme bomb the damage would have been much.

Bus bombs and train bombs in the UK were amateur in comparison to 9/11- but if these same people had the means to do more damage, they would have. 

Your responses are "cliched". Regurgitating politically correct stuff. 
Democratic values can only be shared when both parties follow them.
You can't be tolerant of Hitler and think he will be tolerant back. It is a different game, with different rules.
Islam, and Sharia Law are not compatible with Democracy - even before the extreme radical element is included. It is not being racist, or nationalist to see the potential threat of a small minority of radicalized Muslims. The police themselves monitor mosques etc. 

0.01% of people from Poland that live in the UK are not nice people, but they do not bomb the country where they live. (Insert any country name for Poland, except Islam countries). 

Snark, good too see you are not always wrong on everything...

I said 0.01%, so that is not exactly "anyone with a tan"- as you put it. Instead of arguing with the point, you are misconstruing what I said. 

Not missing your point. You want to collectively block all future migrants from the middle east because of the actions of a very small minority of radicalized Muslims based in the UK the numbers of which you estimate could be as low as 0.01% of the Muslim population and at that just because they are radicalized does not necessarily mean they would carry out an actually attack. So no matter the situation, be Muslims migrants fleeing war (which the UK may be partially responsible for) or an environmental disaster, or drowning in the English channel. Sorry but tough shit can't take the risk you might be radicalized, now have a nice trip back to Afghanistan and say hello to the Taliban for us when you get there. 

But okay 0.01% of Muslims is really still a lot of dangerous people right? 

But lets apply the same logic to anther country. 

As of March 2020, 2.1 million American's are in prison in the United States out of a population of around 328 million, so around 0.6-0.7% of American's are criminals. OMG man that's out of control, no more American migrants please. Of course absolutely no one is thinking that.

"The 9/11 attacks were implemented by a few people in the US, with the support of outside terrorist groups. If the planes had contained nuclear bombs, or any extreme bomb the damage would have been much.

Just like bus bombs, train bombs in the UK. These were amateur in comparison to 9/11- but if these same people had the means to do more damage, they would have. "

The 9/11 attackers had the intention of generating hate and mistrust of the Muslim community by non Muslims, they wanted non Muslims to vent their anger and mistrust at Muslims and in turn they would vent their anger and mistrust back at non Muslims, thus creating the conflict they so desperately wanted. You're unfortunately are falling into their trap. They win by creating that division. 

When it comes to nuclear weapons, lets be clear, no Islamic terrorist group has access to them. They would need a sympathetic state to give them one and the only Muslim state with nuclear weapons currently is Pakistan. If any country gave them a nuclear weapon for an attack on the West, they would have to be awfully confident it wouldn't be traced back to them because if it was, they would literally wiped from the face of the planet. So please lets be serious and not hype up none existent threats. We wouldn't want another none existent Iraq WMD program to cause another war would we?

Your responses are "cliched". Regurgitating politically correct stuff. 
Democratic values can only be shared when both parties follow them.
You can't be tolerant of Hitler and think he will be tolerant back. It is a different game, with different rules.
Islam, and Sharia Law are not compatible with Democracy. It is not being racist, or nationalist to see the potential threat of a small minority of radicalized Muslims. The police themselves monitor mosques etc. 

I don't think they are cliched at all. I think I've got a pretty balanced view of things. But that's just my opinion and if I find a compelling argument to change my mind I believe I would do so.

Islam is incompatible with democracy eh? Tell that the Muslims who vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Muslim_vote

I absolutely acknowledge the terror and pain caused by Islamic terrorism in the UK. The 7/7 and Manchester bombings. Many innocent lives where cruelly lost by a bunch savage indoctrinated bastards. But I do not believe the actions of the few should tarnish an entire religion or community. 

Let me ask you this Shark, you no doubt believe your just adding up the pro's and con's of Muslim migration. Do the benefits out weigh the risks and you have concluded they do not.

Now how people have died due to Islamic terrorism in the UK in the last 20 years, I believe it could be around 100-150 (I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong, I don't have the actual number but I think its around that).  Do you know how many of the NHS 1.4 million staff is Muslim? It was of May 2020 3.3% or 46,200. How many UK citizens lives do you think those Muslim staff have saved over the same time period. I'd wager its in the tens if not hundreds of thousands by now. I also wager you never considered this point.

"0.01% of Polish in the UK are not nice people, but they do not bomb the country where they live. (Insert any country name for Polish, except Islam). "

Except with Brexit the UK told the Poles to f**k off as well.

Star, 

No answer then on why muslim refugees don't go to muslim countries?

The radicalized and extreme minority argument is so damn pathetic.

It's only a fraction of a percent of muslims that aren't peaceful and whom don't respect personal agency, right?

Ok great, so 99% of muslims are peace-loving and happy to live and let live. Weird that <less than 1%> are radical extremists yet the other 99% can't hold their own in Afghanistan...right now as we speak. Could it possibly mean that, we have at least one current example, where any idiot that turns on his TV, can see that the radicals are far more than 1%?

Here's a list, you tell me which are and which are not extremist views.

*capital punishment for homosexuality

*capital punishment for apostasy

*stoning for adultery

The answer as to how many muslims support those views is a lot closer to 99% than it is to 1%.

But let's continue...

How about Pakistan? Those 99% of peace-loving, open-minded and friendly muslims will surely have no problem with you opening a Christian church anywhere you like, provided you can afford the land? Or screw it, lets save money and take to evangelising the Gospel on the streets of Kasmir. Get yourself  loudspeaker and start a'preachin. Ja, let's see if you make it through 5 minutes unscathed. Please tell me, this since you are so willing to let these people into your town, that you understand that you will be given none if the rights you've given them, were the situation reversed.

Ok, forget that. Way too risky, despite the vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of muslims being so "nice". I'll just stand outside any Mosque anywhere in Europe wearing a t-shirt depicting Allah. Surely the 99%, that wonderful and understanding bunch, that love and respect western society so much, will protect me an my choice of clothing from the teensy minority that would wish to do me harm. 

It' s so ridiculously stupid that people try to spin a clearly archaic and dangerous religion and it's followers as "largely peaceful".

The list of death and human rights violation in Muslim countries is fucking endless. Yet we are to believe that 1% is causing all of it.

Travel to Pakistan and then let me know how you get on when you demand the right to free speech, association and agency. 

Until then, I hope your country isn't filled with the type of naive fool that you seem to be.

You could do a lot worse than Muslim refugees. Imagine having to take in brainwashed, MAGA-cap-wearing, automatic-gun-toting, Trumpanzee insurrectionists.

"No answer then on why muslim refugees don't go to muslim countries?"

Ok great, so 99% of muslims are peace-loving and happy to live and let live. Weird that are radical extremists yet the other 99% can't hold their own in Afghanistan...right now as we speak. Could it possibly mean that, we have at least one current example, where any idiot that turns on his TV, can see that the radicals are far more than 1%?

Here's a list, you tell me which are and which are not extremist views.

*capital punishment for homosexuality

*capital punishment for apostasy

*stoning for adultery"

The answer as to how many muslims support those views is a lot closer to 99% than it is to 1%."

You clearly haven't been following the conversation, we have been talking about Muslim migrants living in the UK and in Europe and not Muslim states. I'm not defending Muslim states or Islam in general, I'm saying Muslim migrants should be free live and work peacefully in any host country as long as the obey the laws of the host country and pay their taxes. In the UK 99.9% of them do just that and I don't feel it fair to judge them or future potential migrants on the actions of a very small minority. And why are they always judged on negative actions, during the Paris Attacks a Muslim police officer died in the line of duty serving France, another Muslim hid several Jews from the gunman. Across Europe how many doctors and nurses are Muslims, how many non Muslim lives have these people saved?

As for how many support those punishment, I suspect its closer to 1% than 99% but its definitely not an insignificant number. However it really doesn't matter what a Muslim migrant believes, they are still subject to the laws of the land they migrate too. As I mentioned earlier I did come across on YouTube a news report from 8 years ago of a small group of Muslims trying to enforce a Muslim only area in London. Several of them got arrested for trying it.

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But let's continue...

How about Pakistan? Those 99% of peace-loving, open-minded and friendly muslims will surely have no problem with you opening a Christian church anywhere you like, provided you can afford the land? Or screw it, lets save money and take to evangelising the Gospel on the streets of Kasmir. Get yourself  loudspeaker and start a'preachin. Ja, let's see if you make it through 5 minutes unscathed. Please tell me, this since you are so willing to let these people into your town, that you understand that you will be given none if the rights you've given them, were the situation reversed.

Ok, forget that. Way too risky, despite the vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of muslims being so "nice". I'll just stand outside any Mosque anywhere in Europe wearing a t-shirt depicting Allah. Surely the 99%, that wonderful and understanding bunch, that love and respect western society so much, will protect me an my choice of clothing from the teensy minority that would wish to do me harm. 

It's so ridiculously stupid that people try to spin a clearly archaic and dangerous religion and it's followers as "largely peaceful".

The list of death and human rights violation in Muslim countries is fucking endless. Yet we are to believe that 1% is causing all of it.

Travel to Pakistan and then let me know how you get on when you demand the right to free speech, association and agency. !

Lets not shall we. When your done ranting and have got off your soap box let me know.

"Until then, I hope your country isn't filled with the type of naive fool that you seem to be."

Says the man hopelessly lost in a world of conspiracy theories. My country certainly has its problems, but for 100's of years my people have benefited from being able to migrate to other countries to make a better life for themselves, and at the same time we know what it is like for migrants to be treated like dirt. We can remember the no Irish signs in shop windows in London. We would be immense hypocrites to block Muslim migrants or any migrants coming to Ireland or treating them with fear and suspicion as we once where.

I'll happily take naivety over being indoctrinated into fearing someone or something because they are different. I don't like the idea of spending so much time being frightened of bogeymen.

"You could do a lot worse than Muslim refugees. Imagine having to take in brainwashed, MAGA-cap-wearing, automatic-gun-toting, Trumpanzee insurrectionists."

I'd rather live in Florida,  Texas or Alabama than in Iran, Pakistan or Turkey. 

I too would rather live in Florida, and even Texas or Alabama than Arab countries. 
While I don't like religion in general, no religion is worse than Arab religion in the 21st century . 

Funny stuff, Star

Of course Turkey takes in huge migrant numbers. Did you just discover that? They're the bottleneck. 

They same is true for other countries where geography dictates the settling point of destitute refugees. 

However, take Saudi, Pakistan and Iran. Countries where Middle Eastern refugees have to travel a relatively similar distance to what would be needed to travel to Europe. Now show us those figures. 

I didn't say you were defending Muslim states. What you were saying is that the majority of Muslims are peaceful and not extremist. 

I was pointing out to you that the majority of muslims, in muslim countries and eleshwere, hold ideals and beliefs that are extreme. 

That fact that you think people with an overriding extreme religious view will come to your country and obey the law of the country is actually hilarious. 

I know it's a long way from your homogenous village on mud island, but have look at what has occurred in countries where muslims arrived in large enough numbers and recruited enough followers for the governments and security forces to be overwhelmed. The muslims violently took over, without fail. It's happening in Africa as we speak, bud. Read about Mozambique if you'd like just one current example. 

Now go and read about all the other times this has happened in Africa and elsewhere. A lot of dead people and indeed a metric shit ton of refugees are the consistent result of Muslims out numbering a local population. 

There are many irreparably destroyed, destitute and hopeless families in Africa that would take massive offence to your sarcastic boogeyman reference. They might even say you have no idea what you are talking about. 

Very very strange when it's on less than, 1,% that are violent and seeking subject others to their faith yet we have example after example as to that not being the case. 

Why are they not thanked for the good they do? 

Really, my guy? 

Tell me, does your wife congratulate you each time you go out for an evening and don't cheat on her? 

The nazis gave us diving charts. 

In that vein, kindly call your nearest neo-nazi organization and thank them for their proud history of contribution to the human cause. 

muslim dogs in Mozam

Of course Turkey takes in huge migrant numbers. Did you just discover that? They're the bottleneck. 

They same is true for other countries where geography dictates the settling point of destitute refugees. 

However, take Saudi, Pakistan and Iran. Countries where Middle Eastern refugees have to travel a relatively similar distance to what would be needed to travel to Europe. Now show us those figures. "

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I didn't say you were defending Muslim states. What you were saying is that the majority of Muslims are peaceful and not extremist. 

You where the one who brought up Afghanistan and Pakistan. The conversation so far has been about Muslim migrants and refugees living in Western countries. 

I was pointing out to you that the majority of muslims, in muslim countries and eleshwere, hold ideals and beliefs that are extreme. 

That fact that you think people with an overriding extreme religious view will come to your country and obey the law of the country is actually hilarious. 

Yet about 70,000 Muslims live here in Ireland and have done exactly that. Know the number of Islamist extremist attacks in Ireland...its zero. Yes totally hilarious.

"I know it's a long way from your homogenous village on mud island, but have look at what has occurred in countries where muslims arrived in large enough numbers and recruited enough followers for the governments and security forces to be overwhelmed. The muslims violently took over, without fail. It's happening in Africa as we speak, bud. Read about Mozambique if you'd like just one current example. 

Now go and read about all the other times this has happened in Africa and elsewhere. A lot of dead people and indeed a metric shit ton of refugees are the consistent result of Muslims out numbering a local population. "

Perhaps you should do what your asking me to do and actually look at whats happening in Africa and places like Mozambique and see its in no way comparable to places like the UK and Europe.

Poor attempt at trolling and derailment of the topic with the mud island comment by the way.

"There are many irreparably destroyed, destitute and hopeless families in Africa that would take massive offence to your sarcastic boogeyman reference. They might even say you have no idea what you are talking about. "

I have nothing but absolute sympathy for anyone effected by Islamic extremism (or any other form of extremism) and I never said it wasn't an issue, but that its wrong to judge an entire community/religion by the actions of a small minority of them. I wasn't directing the boogeyman comments to African's who have suffered at Islamist extremism hands but people living in the western countries who are scared of Muslims in general. To me those on the political right in Europe love to blame someone else for their countries problems, be it Muslim migrants, immigrants in general or a foreign power like say the EU in the case of Brexit. They take a threat be it real or imaginary and constantly and subtly exaggerate it to keep the people in a state of fear,  Its by maintaining this state of fear that those in power can maintain power by promising to protect the masses from it. Its a distraction to prevent people from seeing what the real issues are with a society, corruption, income inequality, poverty, homelessness etc.

Very very strange when it's on less than, 1,% that are violent and seeking subject others to their faith yet we have example after example as to that not being the case. 

Why are they not thanked for the good they do? 

Really, my guy? 

Tell me, does your wife congratulate you each time you go out for an evening and don't cheat on her? 

The nazis gave us diving charts. 

In that vein, kindly call your nearest neo-nazi organization and thank them for their proud history of contribution to the human cause. 

Not content with moving the goalposts now you have to invoke Godwin's Law?

Such is your fear and hatred of Muslims you just flippantly dismiss the many many thousands of lives Muslim migrants working across the health care sector in Europe have saved and made better. Says its all really. You don't have an argument to it, just fear and hate. I pity that mindset. I'll never let my out look on life be dictated by such negative emotions or allow others to manipulate me into thinking like that.

But since we are on the topic of the Nazi's. 

This attitude reminds of a movie I watched a good few years back the name of which eludes me, where the Nazi's are going house to house rounding up Jews. A nazi office and two soldiers storm into the apartment of an elderly Jew. He starts rummaging through a drawer, the nazi's think he is going for a weapon. Instead he produces the Iron Cross he was awarded for bravery in World War I and says to the officer something along the lines "I served this country and this is the thanks I get for it". The officer becomes visibly ashamed, pauses for a moment then salutes the man before leaving him alone. Believe its inspired by this man.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/27/europe/richard-stern-photo-grm-scli-intl/index.html

If religions were to be compared to politics in the 21st century, Islam makes Christianity look like left-wingers.

Christianity was worse than it is today, but that might be down to more people becoming less religious- and from this, the Bible being rewritten to be more "up to date".

Christianity was indeed worse in the past, but it eventually moderated. Hopefully Islam can do that same.

I would not want Christians of the dark ages as refugees either. Like Beeno1  

"How you can say "where you will clearly see the white reporter herself is attacked for what she is wearing in her own hometown" is beyond me but she's clearly most definitely not attacked. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you may mis-remembered this but I'd urge you to watch it again and see that you are demonstrably wrong"

"But I'm starting to think you haven't watched because I can very clearly see the white reporter not being attacked"

Hey Stav, since you dispute what I have said and reply with... "she's clearly most definitely not attacked"

Here is today's life lesson, bro

According to the Merriam-Webster and Collins dictionary....

Definition of attack:

- To set upon or work against forcefully

- To assail with unfriendly or bitter words

- The act of attacking with physical force or unfriendly words

- A belligerent or antagonistic action

- To begin hostilities

- If you attack a person, belief, idea or act, you criticize them strongly

Did I at any stage say that someone was assaulted, beaten, grabbed, smacked, slapped, punched, or hit...…..  if I did, show me?

You may just want to slow down dude.... and think a bit, before hitting that reply button to educate someone on what you believe is correct .

"If you consider that an attack than I'd advise you not watch rugby as you might consider hand-bags a crime against humanity."

If you consider yourself to still be correct, then you get the dictionary to change their description of the word itself, to suit your own narrative.

LMFAO... too funny dude

"I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you may mis-remembered" the meaning of the word

How you can say "where you will clearly see the white reporter herself is attacked for what she is wearing in her own hometown" is beyond me but she's clearly most definitely not attacked. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you may mis-remembered this but I'd urge you to watch it again and see that you are demonstrably wrong"

"But I'm starting to think you haven't watched because I can very clearly see the white reporter not being attacked"

Hey Stav, since you dispute what I have said and reply with... "she's clearly most definitely not attacked"

Here is today's life lesson, bro

According to the Merriam-Webster and Collins dictionary....

Definition of attack:

- To set upon or work against forcefully

- To assail with unfriendly or bitter words

- The act of attacking with physical force or unfriendly words

- A belligerent or antagonistic action

- To begin hostilities

- If you attack a person, belief, idea or act, you criticize them strongly

Did I at any stage say that someone was assaulted, beaten, grabbed, smacked, slapped, punched, or hit...…..  if I did, show me?

You may just want to slow down dude.... and think a bit, before hitting that reply button to educate someone on what you believe is correct.

Really this all you can come up with? Come off it mate...no one is buying your pedantic cop out for a second. In common parlance when you refer to someone being attacked everyone and their dog would take that as meaning a physical assault, if you meant what you are now claiming you meant you could of used the term abused for, verbally abused or verbally assaulted. Of course none of those terms sound as bad as the term attacked but then again you know all this. I'm not even sure if what happened in the documentary could even be classified as verbal abuse.

- A belligerent or antagonistic action

- To begin hostilities

- If you attack a person, belief, idea or act, you criticize them strongly

Using the same definition we can just as easily say the white women was attacking the Muslim women.

"I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you may mis-remembered" the meaning of the word

I took the time to match a 57 minute documentary and did the youtube searches you requested I do. Do you want to actually answer any of my previous questions and engage in a debate or do you want to continue to evade and hide behind a technicality.

There si another problem in Afghanistan as there is in all Muslim countries.   When people have other religious beliefs that Islam - they are severely oppressed and punished.    The fact is that what sharia law and the Muslims call kafirs are people that is non-bellievers and strict sharia law  allows for such people to be killed or used as slaves.   There are still Black slaves in countries like Saudi Arabia and other countries in the ME.    

Be it as it may the first thing did ina city in Afghanistan was to kill four kafirs.  The most oppressed people are in fact the Krds who although Islamic  is part of a different sect of the Muslim Church and Christians.    Especially the Christians are in sever danger in Afghanistan  as they have always been in Pakistan.     

Thy should rather help th Christians tog et out of countries where they are oppressed since they would not be involved in terrorism like the reactionary Muslims may become.        

Moving the goalposts?

Thats not something I engage in. 

But do tell?

I'm still waiting to hear if the majority of Muslims do or do not hold views which we, modern people, consider extremist? 

Also, I'm not fearful of any person. A bit cheap to jump to and use it as a vector of attack. Particularly when I'm making it clear that it's dangerous ideas which are the problem and haven't once mentioned race. 

The nazis of 1930s Germany are only different to today's Germans in terms of ideology. And it make ALL the difference. 

Islam contains extremely seductive and dangerous ideologies and anyone that isn't afraid of a dangerous ideology, that is followed by hundreds of millions of people, is an idiot. 

"In common parlance when you refer to someone being attacked everyone and their dog would take that as meaning a physical assault"

Dude...… you got it all wrong and now you are just trying anything you can to justify your incorrect take on it...… if nobody was physically attacked in that video, why would I push you to watch it.... hell I even chastised you for not bothering to watch it...…. now why would I do that if it directly went against everything I was telling you to actually watch it for?

Common parlance....  

Yeah..... just like what you meant with your Bogeyman comment to Plum earlier, I assume.... which I thought was quite disgusting...…. is that common parlance as well?..... you see how that went wrong so quickly for you..... perceptions......assumptions....

"you could of used the term abused for, verbally abused or verbally assaulted"

Again, here you are telling me what it should not be and what it should be and exactly what I should be saying and doing and how I should say and do it....

"I'm not even sure if what happened in the documentary could even be classified as verbal abuse"

You mean the part that you described earlier as a passive aggressive conversation?

As per Wikipedia - Passive-aggressive behavior is characterized by a pattern of passive hostility.....

The Muslim's were hostile..... and if you don't think that they were....good for you.

That was Life Lesson number 2 for today..... all for free

"Do you want to actually answer any of my previous questions and engage in a debate or do you want to continue to evade and hide behind a technicality"

I can already see from your responses on this thread alone, to Shark and Plum that there is no debating with you, because all you seem to want to do is tell me how to say something..... and if or when I do not do it in a way that meets or exceeds your own expectations, I am wrong.... you are right...… and I know this with absolute certainty.... because you keep telling me.

"Using the same definition we can just as easily say the white women was attacking the Muslim women"

The white woman was not demanding that anyone change their clothes

The white woman was not shouting that the police must all go to hell

The white woman was in her home town asking questions about her own home town.... that is all....

It's cool, you saw nothing at all wrong with that Muslim behaviour, playing it down to nothing....all good... that's your view, not mine

"I'll just stand outside any Mosque anywhere in Europe wearing a t-shirt depicting Allah. Surely the 99%, that wonderful and understanding bunch, that love and respect western society so much, will protect me an my choice of clothing from the teensy minority that would wish to do me harm"

Yep, according to Stav, you are good to go ..

You may experience some naughty little words spoken in your general  direction, but for 99.999994% of the time, you will be perfectly fine to continue doing this.

What a laugh

I'm still confused at how the underlined part below is chucked in with corruption and homelessness...

'Its a distraction to prevent people from seeing what the real issues are with a society, corruption, income inequality, poverty, homelessness etc.' 

Always the talentless that complain about not getting a medal. So let's bring all incomes in line. 

Right let's pay the fucker that's never had the brain or the work ethic to achieve success a similar wage to the hyper talented person that devotes his life to becoming the best at what he does.

No, wait! Let's not pay them the same amounts. Let's still allow the talented and dedicated to earn more, but not enough to keep them motivated. No no no, we want to keep him paid enough to stay motivated but not enough that others will complain about how much he earns. Hahah and then talk about freedom while limiting a person for no other reason than their success which mostly came about as a result of good choices and hard work. 

Disgusting and cancerous what I call that type of thinking. 

But but but, school teachers are super talented yet don't earn a trader's wage.

Well, sounds like the school teacher should quit his job and start his own business. There's also nothing stopping the teacher from changing their career and becoming a... trader. 

And when enough teachers do the same... Wow teachers are in high demand and wages go up.

This income inequality nonsense is mostly driven by jealous gits for whom it is easier to complain and latch on to stupid socialist ideas than it is to get off their arses and benefit from the endless opportunity that is ALWAYS present.

Dude...… you got it all wrong and now you are just trying anything you can to justify your incorrect take on it...… if nobody was physically attacked in that video, why would I push you to watch it.... hell I even chastised you for not bothering to watch it...…. now why would I do that if it directly went against everything I was telling you to actually watch it for?

Dude you're as transparent as they come. You just dodge and throw up fake outrage. It shows how weak your position is. Why would you push me to watch it?...perhaps because you have mis-remembered the situation and genuinely thought it was something a lot worse than it was or you didn't actually see it before and are just repeating what someone else told you about it.

Common parlance....  

Yeah..... just like what you meant with your Bogeyman comment to Plum earlier, I assume.... which I thought was quite disgusting...…. is that common parlance as well?..... you see how that went wrong so quickly for you..... perceptions......assumptions....

And I find Islamophobia or any form of sectarianism quite disgusting as well. And yet more fake outrage.

Again, here you are telling me what it should not be and what it should be and exactly what I should be saying and doing and how I should say and do it....

Enough with the fake outrage already. More play acting here than a soccer match. I though the lefties where supposed to be snowflakes.

You mean the part that you described earlier as a passive aggressive conversation?

As per Wikipedia - Passive-aggressive behavior is characterized by a pattern of passive hostility.....

The Muslim's were hostile..... and if you don't think that they were....good for you.

That was Life Lesson number 2 for today..... all for free

The Muslim's where not being hostile to her but to the police. She was however outraged at what they where saying and yes I believe she had every right to be. But when she asked the question to the Muslim women "a real Muslim wouldn't say such thing" it was a belligerent question. She was questioning this women's deeply held beliefs (and no I don't support them) so it is no surprise the two of them got into a passive aggressive conversation. But on the whole its was a rather minor incident that's barely worth mentioning and certainly nothing that would ever amount to police charges. Tell me if a teenage girl intends to go for a night out in the town in a very skimpy dress and the father says to her your not going out in that, go change your clothes into something less revealing, is that he too to be considered an attack on a women (sexist maybe) cause that's where your line of thinking logically goes.

I can already see from your responses on this thread alone, to Shark and Plum that there is no debating with you, because all you seem to want to do is tell me how to say something..... and if or when I do not do it in a way that meets or exceeds your own expectations, I am wrong.... you are right...… and I know this with absolute certainty.... because you keep telling me.

I was actually debating with Shark. The difference is he doesn't act outraged every single reply. Plum asked a question he thought I would have no answer for. When I was able to answer the question with links to actual facts, I knew he was never going to acknowledge it (just like your statement that Muslims have taken over whole towns in the UK) and just move the goal post. Which he did with no sense of irony. Was comical. 

All I want from you is evidence to back up your claims. Because if you have that you may actually persuade me that your viewpoint is the correct viewpoint. So far nothing you have said or asked me to check have I found to be anyway convincing. 

You claimed Muslims have claimed to taken over towns completely in the UK. I know this is false because I've checked this before as your not the first person to make this false claim.

Your posts would give the impression that scenarios like western women being told to go home and change clothes by Muslims and Muslims trying to enforce Sharia law onto non Muslim is now a common occurrence in the UK. From my search I've only found two cases of the former and one of the later in the last 8 years. Sure there probably is more to be found via a more thorough search but there is nothing I can see that indicated these are little more than isolated incidents.

Yes their have been Islamist atrocities that have claimed probably into the low hundreds of lives over the last 20 years in the UK.

But you have to weigh that against other factors. Such as genuine humanitarian needs from refugees fleeing war (in some cases a war the UK is partly responsible for) and persecution, and what can they contribute to society. The UK right now is suffering a major labor shortage and it has the housing capacity to handle them. It makes sense from an economic point of view. As I pointed out over 46,000 Muslims work in the NHS, that would make for an an enormous contribution to UK society, does that count for nothing? What about Muslims who have died serving in the British Army. Hell 400,000 Muslims fought for the UK in World War I. 

"The white woman was not demanding that anyone change their clothes

The white woman was not shouting that the police must all go to hell

The white woman was in her home town asking questions about her own home town.... that is all....

It's cool, you saw nothing at all wrong with that Muslim behaviour, playing it down to nothing....all good... that's your view, not mine"

The white women told her "no true Muslim would say what your saying". She was basically implying the Muslim women not a real Muslim. It was always going to offend the Muslim women and start an argument. By the line of reasoning your applying we could take that as an attack on the Muslim women.

Also later on the white women dresses up in a full Burka with two other Muslim women and walks around a non Muslim area. One of them is told by a white man at one point, to take the Bruka off. I notice you where not so outraged by that. 

In both situations they both had the right to be outraged in my opinion and could both reply this is a free country I'll wear what I want. 

I do not support that Muslims women views and I do not support the views of the Muslim extremists in the protest. But as I've many times before I do not think it fair to judge a whole community/religion on a very small minority of extremists within it. 

"I'll just stand outside any Mosque anywhere in Europe wearing a t-shirt depicting Allah. Surely the 99%, that wonderful and understanding bunch, that love and respect western society so much, will protect me an my choice of clothing from the teensy minority that would wish to do me harm"

Yep, according to Stav, you are good to go ..

You may experience some naughty little words spoken in your general direction, but for 99.999994% of the time, you will be perfectly fine to continue doing this.

What a laugh

I support the right for anyone to do that, but I wouldn't advise on it safety grounds nor would I think it a good idea or nice to deliberately go out of your way to offend Muslims. But you know what would happen if you where attacked or worse. The attackers would be arrested and go to jail because they would have broken the law of the land. Meanwhile you would be catered off to hospital where you will tragically die due to lack of staff as Muslims doctors and nurses where prevented/discouraged from coming to the country due to the hostile environment employed by the anti immigrant populist government.

I'm still confused at how the underlined part below is chucked in with corruption and homelessness...

'Its a distraction to prevent people from seeing what the real issues are with a society, corruption, income inequality, poverty, homelessness etc.' 

Well because many believe it is an issue. You're entitled to your opinion on this but just because you don't agree doesn't mean its not an issue to a lot of people.

Haha yeah, many people believe the influx of muslim refugees into Europe is a huge and dangerous problem. Oopsie. 

See the numerous terrorist attacks in all European countries that have accepted Muslims for reference.

I live about 300 kms, as the crow flies, from Mozambique, where the many peaceful muslims are raping and beheading innocent people. Do I need to live within 100kms in order to gain the right to distrust islam? 

Something similar is happening in Afghanistan. Nigeria is having similar problems with Christians being slaughtered. Sudan...need I go on? 

Guess what all these fuckers have in common? Their death cult.

Follow us, leave or die is the age old islamist ultimatum offered to anyone not yet a part of their sick 'religion'.

Star's solution... Let them in and if they misbehave, they'll go to jail. Of course putting them in prison won't heal the wounds of the families they've harmed for offending them. As long as it's not your own family or you that is the victim of a terror, revenge or hate crime then all is good and prison solves the probldm. One wonders what the threat of prison means to a suicide bomber. Semantics I suppose 

And of course, there aren't nurses and doctors in Christian countries that could immigrate and assimilate without the threat of one day desiring to take the highway to allah's Virgin brothel in the sky. 

Star, say what you like bud, but the next time you don't hear about Polish people being stabbed, driven over by trucks or killed in bomb blasts, know that it's because Poland has a spine.

The next time you do hear about these things occurring in Spain, England, France... Know that it's because the rest of Europe, like you, just can't resist the hallowed yet fictional moral highground of equity and acceptance. 

They’ve just admitted that they’ve let in at least one individual who is on the no-fly list. He’s in Birmingham now….

"perhaps because you have mis-remembered the situation and genuinely thought it was something a lot worse than it was or you didn't actually see it before and are just repeating what someone else told you about it"

More bullshit from you......same old same old

Not my fault you got taught another life lesson at your age

When you don't agree, it's just the same snide and sarcastic comments that you give to so many posters on this board...

"And I find Islamophobia or any form of sectarianism quite disgusting as well. And yet more fake outrage"

Comparing the Bogeyman to what Muslims have done to certain groups of people around the world, especially women and children.... never mind the men.... then changing your tune when confronted about it.... is pathetic.....what a joke

 "it was a belligerent question"

Absolute bullshit, a fully justifiable question, because a "real" Muslim would not have said those things... very simple

"and no I don't support them"

You are having a laugh.... right?

"Tell me if a teenage girl intends to go for a night out in the town in a very skimpy dress and the father says to her your not going out in that, go change your clothes into something less revealing, is that he too to be considered an attack on a women (sexist maybe) cause that's where your line of thinking logically goes"

To be honest, this statement of yours here actually tells me so much more about you than you think... you are actually now comparing a father's love / concern for his teenage daughter, to extremist Muslims and their views and disgusting and barbaric beliefs on how women and children are treated, especially teenage girls, and what they should wear.... that is sick dude, and no, it is not comparable at all..... are you really that desperate and prepared to sink so low, just to prove a point?

Comparing how a caring and loving or concerned  father behaves, to the way almost every Muslim man treats a woman and young teenage girl in this world right now, is just fucking despicable …...fuck me dude, you really are desperate aren't you.

Call that fake outrage again, as many times as you want to..... I really don't give a shit....

"Meanwhile you would be catered off to hospital where you will tragically die due to lack of staff as Muslims doctors and nurses where prevented/discouraged from coming to the country due to the hostile environment employed by the anti immigrant populist government."

Wow, you can be dramatic hey.....

So I will logically just tragically die, it's a foregone conclusion, because no more Muslim doctor's can assist me.... got it. 

If I had to hazard a honest guess, I would say that you are Muslim or maybe married to a Muslim, because whether you believe it or not, your outlook on a lot of what has been discussed here, is very much in line with the way Muslim's act and believe right now...

Each to their own

Ahhhh

The most hated and despised poster himself, shows his face

Our resident "honest" bloke....

LMFAO

Opened your first beer yet Piss Mint?

For someone who always professes to everyone that you are not interested in what I say or believe, you sure as hell follow me around, every single time I come back here and post

Now fuck off and go and hit your kids again

See?

LMAO!

So in the news today, a Muslim teacher in the UK has been arrested for repeatedly running an unregistered school which promotes Islamic values, and could turn kids away from specifically...."The fundamentals of British values or life"

Muslim Teacher

It certainly is great that something like this was picked up.... but what is not so great... is the back story to this issue.

For instance, they are repeat offenders..... this woman and her father were previously convicted of doing this exact same thing in 2019 but they just carried on doing it regardless, and now hopefully face jail time.

According to the independent newspaper, already back in 2017 there were 170 unregistered schools identified, which involved up to 3 000 students..... but not even that is the scary part.

According to the confirmed statistics so far.....of all these schools that were identified and inspected, 31% were Jewish, 12% were Christian, and a massive 57% were Islamic 

Ofsted have also previously said that this number is now at almost 300 unregistered schools...

Now the question is this...… what about all the ones that are never identified...….

Say what you want..... but it is clear as day that all the numbers are pointing to a massive increase in Muslim numbers and incidents....

Bump 

I am not even sure if the jail time is even worth it

All it does is put another financial burden on the UK, to feed and house these kind of people

Why not leave the country you clearly hate so much?... simple

Deport Him

But how can you deport him, he's from the UK is he not?

Yes, I'm quite interested to see the reply. Where should he be deported to?

"But how can you deport him, he's from the UK is he not?"

I actually don't know if he is from the UK, or just living there...., because I didn't bother to check, so you are 100% correct Stav, thanks for pointing that out .

I should have been much more clear in my post

I was referring to what has been discussed at length on this particular thread, and also what this topic was started for.... which is refugees.

The purpose of that post was to say if refugees commit acts like this, they should be deported back to where they came from, and not imprisoned at the cost of the UK

I actually don't know if he is from the UK, or just living there...., because I didn't bother to check, so you are 100% correct Stav, thanks for pointing that out.

I should have been much more clear in my post

That's alright we all make errors from time to time.

I was referring to what has been discussed at length on this particular thread, and also what this topic was started for.... which is refugees.

The purpose of that post was to say if refugees commit acts like this, they should be deported back to where they came from, and not imprisoned at the cost of the UK

Okay, so your saying they should not serve a prison sentence for committing a crime, instead just sent back to their country of origin. That seems to me like a very weak deterrent to stopping crime or terrorism related activity. 

Now maybe perhaps your thinking that the person should serve his sentence in the country he's deported back to but surely you are aware of how the law works and jurisdictions. Its not up to other countries to enforce the prison sentence handed down to people for crimes committed in another jurisdiction. 

I absolutely support deportation of anyone engaging in terrorism or criminal acts, but only after they have served their prison sentence first. I'm pretty certain this is how most countries including the UK operate when it comes to crimes committed by a non national in their country.