War shifts decisively in Russias favour

It is tragic that civilians have been injured, but the same has been happening to Ukranians.

Sure it is Putin's fault, but Russia has the responsibility to appoint a government that is not former KGB agents.

It is not as if every country is invading their neighbours using the basis that along time ago, they were once a single country. 

Girl orphaned after Ukrainian terrorist attack on Crimean Bridge

Russian media has identified the two killed as a truck driver and an educator from Belgorod Region

The Kulik family ©  Social media

A couple killed by a Ukrainian drone attack on the Crimean Bridge were residents of Belgorod Region, Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov has confirmed. Their orphaned 14-year-old daughter, who survived the incident, is in hospital, reportedly in stable condition.

The deadly blasts that damaged the infrastructure were caused by two Ukrainian naval drones, according to the Russian Anti-terrorism Committee. A car from Belgorod Region was caught in the explosions.

The governor confirmed that the victims were residents of the Novy Oskol district, which includes the eponymous city and nearby settlements. The media identified the deceased as Aleksey Kulik, 40, and his wife Natalya, 36. The man worked as a truck driver, and the woman was an educator.

Their daughter, Angelina, was rushed to intensive care in the city of Temryuk, east of the Crimean Bridge. Hours later, a helicopter took her to a hospital Krasnodar.

Natalya’s sister, Alyona, told the news outlet SHOT that their families were traveling to Crimea together in two vehicles. Her car crossed the bridge first, and then she heard two explosions from behind.

READ MORE: Investigators publish aftermath of Ukrainian attack on Crimean Bridge (VIDEO)

“We stopped at [the nearby city of] Kerch and managed to reach Angelina on the phone about an hour later. She was conscious, but now she is sedated,” Alyona said. The teen is aware that her parents were killed, she added.

According to some media reports, the blast wave forced the car’s engine into the compartment, killing Aleksey and Natalya on the spot. Angelina was sent through the windshield and suffered a serious concussion, and potential traumatic loss of memory, it was claimed.

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Oh... just another statistic of war they cry. They probably also responsible for many other blasts and civilians killed though Mis-fired cannons in their own country. 

Babushka, or granny, is the mother of a person's father or mother, but in this country the word has numerous shades of meanings. The very word babushka is a diminutive-hypocoristic form of the word baba – an ancient Russian word denoting a married woman. It is not by chance that today the word has acquired its pet suffix – it is in fact an illustration of just how special babushkas are to Russians

Ukraine now for the second time shows the world it's a terrorist state, in attacking a target not even used by military vehicles. 

Babushka, or granny, is the mother of a person's father or mother, but in this country the word has numerous shades of meanings. The very word babushka is a diminutive-hypocoristic form of the word baba – an ancient Russian word denoting a married woman. It is not by chance that today the word has acquired its pet suffix – it is in fact an illustration of just how special babushkas are to Russians.

SebKleb's fuming, reckons that I'm insulting his beloved .......... a babushka's a granny, same as he's an oupa. What's derogatory about calling a spade a spade?

Effing racist doos

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 Stav

You claimed the Russians "conquered" an area of circa 320 square kilometers and provided maps indiating the areas taken over by the Ukraine army.   Now Zelensky advised that the counter-offensive has been suspended and the US Army confirmed that as well.  

So why the "suspension"?   If the operations were successful as claimed by you there would not have been suspension.  The plane and simple act is the operation was a failure - and the lUkraine coud not continue with attacks since the army used was defeated.  

Bandera admirers in the Ukraine Government will carry on regardless and refuse to try peace negotiations.   In any event they know that their paymasters in Washington will contribute less to them in future if they decide to take part in a fair peaceful settlement.    

Who t.f. are the illegal invaders of a sovereign state ?

ek vra jou nou so net so naaice.

ouMaaik if you're a victim of a home invasion, do you attempt peace negotiations?

You claimed the Russians "conquered" an area of circa 320 square kilometers

I said the Russian captured 282 square kilometres in the first half of this year. It's not like my post was that long ago, how is it possible that one man can be wrong so often.

and provided maps indiating the areas taken over by the Ukraine army

I did.

Now Zelensky advised that the counter-offensive has been suspended and the US Army confirmed that as well.

No he hasn't, no they haven't.

So why the "suspension"?

There is none.

If the operations were successful as claimed by you there would not have been suspension.

It's not been suspended. It's ongoing. 

The plane and simple act is the operation was a failure - and the lUkraine coud not continue with attacks since the army used was defeated.  

The plane and simple fact is that you're a liar. You either make rubbish up, or just regurgitate Russian propaganda.

Bandera admirers in the Ukraine Government will carry on regardless and refuse to try peace negotiations.   In any event they know that their paymasters in Washington will contribute less to them in future if they decide to take part in a fair peaceful settlement.    

Such as crap like this.

A Wagner-linked Telegram channel releases stats for warlord Yevgeny Prigohin's mercenary group from battle of Bakhmut:

-78,000 fighters, 49,000 of which were convicts

-22,000 killed, 40,000 wounded

-25,000 are now "alive and healthy"

-10,000 of those already in or going to Belarus

What is ongoing  after Zelenskyy suspended the campaign and two US generals confirmed the suspension.    What is ongoing other than sustained media propaganda.    

Is the Wagner group on the way to attack Belarus? 

Your arguments are getting hollower by the day      You quote two Russian Generals who told  Putin about the situation and they are still alive - if anybody tell Zelenskyy what they believe  the real situation in Ukraine is they would be dead by now.   

How many soldiers are in the Wagner Group.   I know they are   active in Mali  where one of their tasks is to sort out the millions of documents the Pentagon sent there and in Sudan.    Where did you get the 70 000 from?   

The suspension was on MSB news  as a aticle hat mentioned and had a video clip showing Zelenskyy answering it.    Hardly a pro-Russia News source.

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The suspension was on MSB news  as a aticle hat mentioned and had a video clip showing Zelenskyy answering it. 

Great, now do you have the actual link?

I could not find the article on MSB - they change their news items daily.  I checked around and found he following from The Guardian - which I would not advise anybody to believe:-

Zelenskiy admits counteroffensive may be going ‘slower than desired’ | Ukraine | The Guardian

Read the first sentence of the report carefully and note that only three brigades are  eht enumber of brigades involved  

They talk about a delay in the operation and mentioned they were going to use  9 brigades - but only 3 was used thus far.  That implied that th number of soldiers to be used in the counter-offensive   A infantry brigade must comprise of at least 2 000 soldiers - so lets say it has a tota of even 12 000 troops ed in the fightigmeaning that Ukraine would commit  36 000 to 45 000 troops to the counter-offensive - no chance of that being effective.

It all depends on what6 his paymasters in Washington decides as to what will happen. .   

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I could not find the article on MSB

I'm shocked...shocked I tell you!

I checked around and found he following from The Guardian - which I would not advise anybody to believe:-

OMG Mike linking to an article from the Guardian (which by its self is hilarious) which he thinks proves his point but it really doesn't but if it did he doesn't want us to believe it.

You can't make this up.

Yes the offensive is going slower than hoped for that's what many in the mainstream media have reported . That's not the same as the offensive has been called of. 

The Ukrainian's have switched tactics and appear to still have most of their western supplied equipment and vehicles preserved for another attempted breakthrough once the feel they have worn the Russian's down enough or if find a weak spot.

"still have most of their western supplied equipment and vehicles preserved for another attempted breakthrough once the feel they ha" 

Supply a credible link please 

U.S. says Ukraine has significant combat power not yet committed to the war - Washington Times

Yes, DumbMike never ceases to impress. 

He will quote any source of any ideology- but only if it supports his misinterpretation of reality. 

Stav... according to NY Times the Ukrainians lost 20 % in the first offensive and 10% thereafter. This agrees with what Putin has said. So if you think two thirds is good to fight an offensive with... good luck

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/15/us/politics/ukraine-leopards-bradleys-counteroffensive.html

TLDR version, yes Ukraine took losses, not of all which where unexpected. 

The 20% losses and the additional 10% losses included both destroyed and damaged (some of that damaged equipment will be repairable).

But the loss numbers are a percentage of the forces that Ukraine has actually committed to the offensive so far, not Ukraine's total force strength available for the counter offensive. 

But if your pushing a Russian narrative saying the Ukraine have taken losses that amount to a third of a third doesn't sound very impressive.

SB

I prefer not to get involved in propaganda shit - which is all you and Stav has to rely upon.     I read the article on MSB and saw the video clip of Zelenskyy made the announcement and also reference to two generals from the USA con firming it.   Thos articles of MSB is removed on a daily basis and I could not find the exact article today.

I when googling for the MSB article I came across "The Guradian" report.  They were soft-peddling the whole issue by saying two things - that Ukriane dedicated 9 brigades to the counter-attack.   Thus far only 3 brigades have been sent into action.   That could be 8 000 to 10 000 troops maximum.    And Zelensky does not want to send in the other troops to be slaughtered.

If  that number of troops is driving out the Russians somebody is misleading the site members.    There are two issues here - first of all Zelenskyy's paymasters in Washington may be unhappy about the issue of which was originally written and since it does not tie in with their continuous propaganda caused the media report to be re-written. 

Secondly we were entertained on site about the major territorial gains made by Ukraine in the counter-offence.   So if they only send in 10 000 men into the Kherskv and  Kharkov area there is no way they conquered anthing or push back the Russian troops from their position - so the only logical conclusion is the Ukraine army made no progress and youy were fed BS about territorial gain.

Thirdly does  not ant to send in more troops because to huge numbers of casualties - I will tell you in plain language - Zelenskyy has fuck-all left to send into battle.    So you will hear a lot more propaganda and in the end in the end negotiations for a fair peace is all that is open to the U0krainians,

I prefer not to get involved in propaganda shit 

Sometimes its difficult to tell with you where the brainwashing ends and your love of making stuff up begins.

I read the article on MSB and saw the video clip of Zelenskyy made the announcement and also reference to two generals from the USA con firming it.   Thos articles of MSB is removed on a daily basis and I could not find the exact article today.

You read nothing of the sort. If Zelenskyy had made any such announcement it would of be all over the mainstream media as well as online media sources. The Russia's would have been shouting it from the rooftops. No Mike the reason you can't link to Zelenskyy saying it is that you are liar.

I when googling for the MSB article I came across "The Guradian" report.  They were soft-peddling the whole issue by saying two things - that Ukriane dedicated 9 brigades to the counter-attack.   Thus far only 3 brigades have been sent into action.   That could be 8 000 to 10 000 troops maximum.    And Zelensky does not want to send in the other troops to be slaughtered.

No Zelenskyy doesn't want to needlessly waste Ukrainian lives to placate the timeline of arm chair generals in the West.

If  that number of troops is driving out the Russians somebody is misleading the site members.

Stop strawmaning.

 There are two issues here - first of all Zelenskyy's paymasters in Washington may be unhappy about the issue of which was originally written and since it does not tie in with their continuous propaganda caused the media report to be re-written. 

Brainless waffle.

Secondly we were entertained on site about the major territorial gains made by Ukraine in the counter-offence.

More strawmaning. 

So if they only send in 10 000 men into the Kherskv and  Kharkov area there is no way they conquered anthing or push back the Russian troops from their position

Ukraine isn't attacking Kherskv (where ever the fuk that is) and Kharkiv (lol keep using the Russian name for it you Putin tankie) 

- so the only logical conclusion is the Ukraine army made no progress and youy were fed BS about territorial gain.

The only logical conclusion is you have no grasp of reality.

Thirdly does  not ant to send in more troops because to huge numbers of casualties - I will tell you in plain language - Zelenskyy has fuck-all left to send into battle.    So you will hear a lot more propaganda and in the end in the end negotiations for a fair peace is all that is open to the U0krainians,

I tell you in plain language you haven't a clue what your talking about.

 Stav

If ever anybody is open to shit propaganda and repeating BS on site it is you.   You indicate in the map that was posted a major gain in territory in two areas  mentioned by me.   have a look at the maps indicated and see whether any area was in fact territorial gain as claimed by you in the previous posting.

The normal strength as indicated by Google of a brigade is 2000 men minimum but lets put it in the case of Ukraine at 3 000 men.   According to the Shitspreading Guardian Ukraine was going to use 9 brigades in the counter-offensive and so far used only 3 brigades.

What is evident in the saga thus far is that either you and Mozart as talking BS when bragging on site that they took back a huge area using  10 000 men maximum, then it must be a miracle in modern warfare, especially facing an army of over 100 000 Russians in Eastern Ukraine

As to the funding  of the Ukraine war effort - where did the funding actually come from.   According to some statements the amount of money the USA spent in Ukraine in budgetary and military support exceeds a $117 billion - other newspapers claim it was $73 billion in military and budgetary support.   The normal  budget for Ukraine for 2021-22 was $48 billion as passed by the Ukrainian Parliament.   With the War in Ukraine and millions of people fleeing from Ukraine - how much money in taxes would the country have raised in the past year?     Not anywhere near half of the amount in taxation to cover the budgetary needs of Ukraine could be raised by the Ukraine Government.    In essence  what is the case indeed is that the major operating costs  of the Ukraine Government comes from the USA.    If you think that kind of US expenditure comes without conditions you will be kidding yourself.    The normal situation is that the US Pay and tell the receiver what in this case they require from the Ukraiine Government.     

Then there are also one other fact and that is that the Ukraine Government before and after 2014 was the most corrupt Government in Europe.   Nothing c hange and Ukraine remains the most corrupt country in Europe.   There were serious repercussions when the US Government in September last year  that -

*    only 30% of the aid provided to hat date reached the fighting army  and as a reuslt the Pentagon sent a Colonel to Kiev to control the receipt and distribution of military equipment in Ukraine - FACT;

*     there are biolabs run by the Ukraine Government with grant funding from the USA - but theya are not involved in dangerous research - g the gain in function research such as was done in the Wuhan laboratory also funded by the US Government - this is in fact was BS when the same Deputy Secretary of State said that the US Government is worried about the Russians may get hold of the pathogens and if some of those pathogens cause a major pandemic the Russians would be blamed for it;

*     the involvement of leading politicians in the USA being getting kickbacks from Ukraine and the Arms industry are factual and Biden himself is up to his neck  involved in corruption in Ukraine and in the war effort - but you will not know about that since it is not covered in the media you rely on - you know nothing about it.  

My problem is I read wider than the propaganda media and found huge holes in it.   he laugh of the century is the fact that according to propaganda the Ukraine made major gains in an imaginary counter-offensive stating in May 2023.   The Guardian claimed that only 3 brigades of the 9 brigades dedicated to the counter-offensive was in fact used thus far.   Equal to that is the fact that Zelenskyy does not want to send the other 6 brigades because he does as you put it  do not ant to waste lives in the process.     The fact is that Bakmut battle caused about 50 000  casualties and that the Ukraine - with millions of refugees fleeing from Ukraine and parents desperately trying to hide their children from the Ukraine Government according to a welfare organization involved in Bakmut evacuation of children from the war zone - the question remains - how many soldiers do the Ukraine have available to continue the war?   My deduction is they do not have any troops available for the much-hyped counter offensive but the Guardian - a known propaganda rag - is trying to soft-soap the situation.

My problem is I read up on issues on a wider range than you an other site warmongers do - identifying the holes in their propaganda stories and write what is logical on issues.   The USA is 16 months away from the next presidential election and according to opinion polls 61% of the voters do not want Bident to continue as President.   The ultra-rich controlling the Democratic Party has not determined an alternative yet - what is clear is that the Ukraine war is going to become a hot potato in the election and coupled to inflation, the destruction of law and order in the USA cities, the open border policy prescribed  by Soros and other Biden disasters are getting the voters pissed off.

Who are the arm-chair generals you refer to - surely not the command that cause the disastrous fleeing from Afghanistan - leaving thousands of American citizens and green card holder behind enemy lines.   For your info the USA paid the Taliban $67 million in "food aid" to let the relevant people go.   

You indicate in the map that was posted a major gain in territory in two areas  mentioned by me.

No I didn't. There was major gains in those area's in last years counter offensive. Not this years.

 have a look at the maps indicated and see whether any area was in fact territorial gain as claimed by you in the previous posting.

Mike where did I make any such claim? Are you so dishonest you just have to mispresent what people are saying or just incapable of understanding basic points.

The normal strength as indicated by Google of a brigade is 2000 men minimum but lets put it in the case of Ukraine at 3 000 men.   According to the Shitspreading Guardian Ukraine was going to use 9 brigades in the counter-offensive and so far used only 3 brigades.

What is evident in the saga thus far is that either you and Mozart as talking BS when bragging on site that they took back a huge area using  10 000 men maximum, then it must be a miracle in modern warfare, especially facing an army of over 100 000 Russians in Eastern Ukraine

Emm... where did either myself or Mozart say Ukraine had taken back a huge area in the current offensive?

And the rest of your post is just more absolute rubbish. Not worth responding too.

"My problem is I read up on issues on a wider range than you an other site warmongers do"

LMAO ......

Like from the Gu ardian ... that you want nobody to believe..... but you quote..

  Stav 

Who posted the following?

According to the Institute for the Study of War Russia since January 1st 2023 has captured 282 square kilometres of territory. Since June 4th when the Ukraine counter offensive began Ukraine has captured 253 square kilometres, nearly the same amount of territory captured in 5 weeks that Russia took 5 months to capture.

Be honest for a change.    You got caught spreading BS on site - end of story.   There were no territory gains since June 2023 and if the Guardian is to be believed the Ukraine attack in the counter-offensive used is 3 brigades.    The real motive behind the Guardian is they are known to be a propaganda spreading BS was to carefully cover the disaster the so-called " counter-offensive turned out to be.    The Ukraine committed 50 000 troops to defend Bakmut and in the end they lost the battle.   Thatw s a known fact and also the maps you and Mozart  posted both indicate Bakmut safely in the hands of the Ukrainians.

Fact is the USA funds the Ukraine Government and that is a fact  as well.   The House Republicans apparently wants a total breakdown of the funding used and where it came from.   That will spell doom for th e Democart establishment.    

That is a key of the issue and it will become a factor in the upcoming 2024 election.   They are also intensifying the fucked up Biden corruption in Ukraine and is hunting up of Pelosi and Schiff in the Ukraine.    That will be comprehensive used by the Republicans who are determined to get rid of some Republican Senators who are also involved in supporting everything the  Democrats is involved in and that includes Ukraine as well. 

I think by the end of this year the Ukraine will collapse and plead for a peace deal with the Russians - hoping to retain as much territory as they can and the US funding of Ukraine will dry up as they would lose control of the Ukraine proxy.Government.    The fact that the Ukraine is not committing the troops to the present campaign means the commanding officers are against what is happening to their troops and some of them is bound to/t take over the Government in Kiev.

Once that happened the Ukraine would get a more favorable deal from the Russia than they would under the present Ukraine regime.

Stav 

Who posted the following?

According to the Institute for the Study of War Russia since January 1st 2023 has captured 282 square kilometres of territory. Since June 4th when the Ukraine counter offensive began Ukraine has captured 253 square kilometres, nearly the same amount of territory captured in 5 weeks that Russia took 5 months to capture.

Yes I posted that.

Be honest for a change.

Honest, you have no idea what the word means.

You got caught spreading BS on site - end of story.   There were no territory gains since June 2023

Not according to various sources such as the ISW. The Ukrainian's have made relatively modest territorial gains. As I said before if you want to call the gains insignificant people can do so, but then you have to acknowledge Russia' gains over the first 6 months of 2023 where also insignificant. Considering the size of Ukraine is 603,628 square kilometres both sides advances this year are quite modest but Ukraine's still have the potential of making more sustainable gains. 

and if the Guardian is to be believed the Ukraine attack in the counter-offensive used is 3 brigades.    The real motive behind the Guardian is they are known to be a propaganda spreading BS was to carefully cover the disaster the so-called " counter-offensive turned out to be. 

Which is it Mike, The Guardian is to be believed or not to be believed?

The counter-offensive is ongoing, its too early to call it a success or failure. The fact that you call it a disaster is no surprise, you just parrot Russian propaganda over and over. 

The Ukraine committed 50 000 troops to defend Bakmut and in the end they lost the battle.   Thatw s a known fact and also the maps you and Mozart  posted both indicate Bakmut safely in the hands of the Ukrainians.

I'm not sure how many troops Ukraine committed to defending Bakhmut. Russia did eventually captured it after 9 months of fighting. Its disputed which side took more causalities, which where undoubtable significant on both sides, but on the balance of probabilities its likely Russian took significantly more causalities for what was in the end a little more than symbolic victory for Russia  and even that is in jeopardy as Ukraine in the current offensive are making gains around the flanks of Bakhmut and are apparently able to bring the ground lines of communication into Bakhmut under artillery fire. I've seen some analysts suggest if they can keep up that rate of advanced they force the Russian's to withdraw from Bakhmut in the next month or two, as they simply won't be able to supply their troops there and would risk encirclement.

And no neither me or Mozart claimed Bakhumt was in Ukrainian hands. What are you talking about it.

The rest of your post is more garbage. Not worth responding too.

"Which is it Mike, The Guardian is to be believed or not to be believed?"

Lol .... you genuinely cannot script this shit....

Stav

I looked at the maps posted on site by you and Mozart indicating that Bakmut is under the control of the Ukraine army.     The moderate gains you now wrote about does not correspond with your initial claim of how much territory  was g ained by Ukraine and comparing it with the Russian gains of six months.    

I took a look at the membership of the Institute of War and saw it comprises mostly of retired US Army Officers now linked with the US Armaments Industry Companies and of the worst warmongers around.     One of the members is a Russian Women who received her education at Harvard and worked for the Ukraine Government after the 2014 coup.

 They obviously want the war to continue and I would not call them "Independent "              

I looked at the maps posted on site by you and Mozart indicating that Bakmut is under the control of the Ukraine army.

I posted no maps indicating Bakhmut was under Ukrainian control. What are you smoking?

The moderate gains you now wrote about does not correspond with your initial claim of how much territory  was gained by Ukraine and comparing it with the Russian gains of six months.

I've no idea how you've come to the conclusion that it doesn't correspond.

I took a look at the membership of the Institute of War and saw it comprises mostly of retired US Army Officers now linked with the US Armaments Industry Companies and of the worst warmongers around.     One of the members is a Russian Women who received her education at Harvard and worked for the Ukraine Government after the 2014 coup.

 They obviously want the war to continue and I would not call them "Independent "    

Mike the intern who brings the guys writing the assessments for the ISW their coffee in the morning is more qualified to talk about Ukraine conflict than you.