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What is going on in UK Parliamentary Election

Started by clevermike50 REPLIES935 VIEWS· 13 Nov 2019, 12:46
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Nov 2019, 19:05
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20 Nov 2019, 19:05#41

I think there is a problem  - the contract signed by De Klerk and other SA players are governed by the rules  of World Rugby even though they are also subject to the Kolpak rulings.   

However, in the case of rugby World Rugby laid down rules that clubs must abide by the condition that during certain window periods the clubs must release players to play test rugby for their countries of origin.   Without that ruling World Rugby would have bombed themselves out of existence.    

However, England Cricket decided not to implement a system similar to Rugby and the ICC did not act on anything like World Rugby did - so the England Clubs do not release players to play test cricket for SA   .   

Try the following link for info:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolpak_ruling

I am nasty when England steals our sportsmen and the EU helped it along, 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Nov 2019, 19:26
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20 Nov 2019, 19:26#42

If the NI population want to stay in Europe....they can as part of a United Ireland, the mechanisms exist. But if they want to be part of Britain they have to accept the majority view of the Brits.


Now  I know you think the Brits are stupid, maybe even a 'cult from Mars' for wanting to leave the rotting corpse known as Europe.  But that's democracy, it's a pity the idea of majority rule remains optional for the left.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
20 Nov 2019, 19:58
#43
20 Nov 2019, 19:58#43

@mozart 

Emm you not watching the news a deal has been agreed in which NI will not fully come out of the EU with the rest of the UK.

You see the UK could have taken NI out with them fully but they where not prepared to accept the consequence of doing so,  no withdrawal deal and no trade deal with the EU which would be a disaster to the UK economy.

The Brits are not stupid. I've never said that. The quip about the cult from Mars was just highlighting how ingrained Unionism is to Unionist community in the North and I'm not actually knocking Unionism as a political point of view.

You say the EU is a corpse, yet have failed to show me any evidence to show me the UK economy will be better off outside the EU. 

Whats so undemocratic about going back to people and saying here is our Brexit deal is this what you really want?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Nov 2019, 22:51
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20 Nov 2019, 22:51#44

I wasn't aware the British Parliament has ratified a deal Stav. You also ask what is wrong about going back to the people...it establishes the principle that every time something is passed with a close vote, the losing side can simply play for time. That's happening in Britain and the States and for 3 years the will of the people has been  thwarted. 



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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
21 Nov 2019, 00:10
#45
21 Nov 2019, 00:10#45
It seems tax is the major driver for the 1% richest people in the UK to want to leave the EU. Initially I thought it was personal tax, but clearly it is also corporate tax.
Reece Mogg (House of Commons Leader) named his firstborn child after someone that was executed over 1000 years ago for insisting on not paying tax. His intentions are clear...

I think a country should decide its own corporate tax rate, but the problem is Ireland is basically stealing the other EU member countries tax from American corporates. (In addition to jobs). If the US is selling to an EU market- the specific country in question should be collecting its tax. If people from that language and culture are needed, they should be based in that specific country- and not a call centre out of Ireland. 
The campaign pledge of Borris Johnson was to use the EU membership money paid for the NHS. Having now got into office, Johnson is now talking about cutting the budget to the NHS, and potentially even selling it of it private enterprise. So he went for the votes of the poorest , and then shafted them right away.
I think Ireland will feel the biggest effects as a result of the UK leaving the EU. 
With the EU cracking down on both corporate and personal tax evasion, it should force Ireland to charge their standard corporate tax rate to the US companies. This will take away the incentive for the US corporations to base themselves on Ireland. If the corporate tax is the same in the UK as Ireland, chances are these companies will move much of their operations to the UK. 
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Nov 2019, 01:56
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21 Nov 2019, 01:56#46

@mozart

Well the deal was approved by parliament at the first reading but was then pulled by the Conservative from going through the second reading because parliament did not want to be rushed into fully approving the deal under Johnson's time table which they felt didn't properly give them time to scrutinize it.

If Johnson wins the election the deal will be brought back. If the opposition win there will likely be a second referendum.

Point is, is that there is other options Brexit options for NI other than reunification with Ireland or going out on the same terms as the rest of the UK.

What about the principal that all sides in a referendum abide by the legal rules. The leave side did not.

The "will of the people" is an absolutely meaningless Brexiteer phrase. Define the will of the people please. Did all 17.4 million Brexit voters vote for Boris Johnson's deal, maybe it was May's deal, did they vote for no deal, did they vote for Canada + or the Norway Model, remaining in the Customs Union or out of it, I don't think the Democratic Unionists Party idea of Brexit involved a border down the Irish Sea. The Ulster Unionist Party is now of the opinion that remaining in the EU is better than Boris Johnson's deal. What about Brexit voters who where interviewed later and said they have no changed their mind and would rather remain. Or are they all plants?

"Will of the people" "Take back Control" "Brexit means Brexit" "Leave means Leave" "WTO Terms" "Get Brexit Done" all meaningless terms used to deflect and avoid actually debating the issues with facts and evidence.

@sharkbok

We both agree then that corporate tax should be decided by the individual countries.

Ireland is not stealing other countries tax per say but it has facilitated corporations funneling tax money out of other EU countries back to the US. Agreed the tax should be payed in the country the sale is made in. The thing about call centers....whats that got to do with Ireland....that's just how companies work, they have call centers in loads of third party countries. As an Irish person who works in I.T I've had to deal with call centers all over Europe and outside of it. Doesn't bother me in the slightest if I'm talking to a Pole, Indian or an American.

The Conservatives have a very bad track record when it comes to funding the NHS. They simply don't care for it, but they know promising to give it money is a vote winner, they just never follow through on the promises.

Brexit hurts Ireland, but if the UK takes the deal on offer, its manageable for us. Yes the EU should enforce fair play rules on all member states Ireland included when it comes to illegal state aid.

Ireland has other incentives to US corporations to come to Ireland other than low tax. Ireland has strong relations with the US. The Irish American population is 32 million which is fairly evenly split among Republican and Democratic lines. This gives Ireland more influence in the US than you might otherwise expect. But as a country Ireland has a well educated workforce, is English speaking, offers a decent standard of living to people who live here, is politically very stable, as a member state of the EU offers access into a market of 400 million and has a general reputation of being able to work with anyone. Also the craic is mighty! Even if the corporate tax rate was enforced to its full here, remember it would still be the 2nd lowest in the EU.

As I've already said the UK leaving the EU will result in reduced investment from multinationals. Why invest as heavily in a market of 60 million when you could invest more into a market of 400 million and make bigger profits?





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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Nov 2019, 02:30
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21 Nov 2019, 02:30#47
“ The campaign pledge of Borris Johnson was to use the EU membership money paid for the NHS. Having now got into office, Johnson is now talking about cutting the budget to the NHS, and potentially even selling it of it private enterprise. So he went for the votes of the poorest, and then shafted them right away.” Whaaaaat are you talking about? Johnson has promised an increase on NHS spending. He has denied on numerous occasions, and in the debate the other night, that the NHS is not for sale. It is Labour BS that they are spreading. The increase in funds into the NHS has already started under Theresa May while the UK are still in the EU. People should stop using the NHS as a political play ball. The NHS is an excellent service as it is. I am lying in the Oxford University Hospital while typing this and I know what I’m talking about as far as treatment goes. I had serious major surgery just over a month ago and was admitted again yesterday due to minor complications. If all goes well I will be discharged tomorrow afternoon.
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
21 Nov 2019, 03:00
#48
21 Nov 2019, 03:00#48
@Ceradunce, 
Over the last few weeks, Johson has promised to increase NHS Budget.--However, there was talk about cutting budget before this. 
Jonson had a court summons earlier this year, because many felt his promises were misleading. He implied that all the money from the EU membership would be re-allocated to the NHS 

Brexit: Campaign to prosecute Boris Johnson over £350m ...


https://www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › UK Politics

8 Sep 2018 - A crowdfunding campaign to have Boris Johnson prosecuted over ... Johnson over his claim that Britain pays £350m a week to the EU. ... Brexit: Campaign to prosecute Boris Johnson over £350m NHS bus claim raises £24,000 in two days ... Almost 700 people donated to the fund within 48 hours of it being ...

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
21 Nov 2019, 03:00
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21 Nov 2019, 03:00#49
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Nov 2019, 08:33
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21 Nov 2019, 08:33#50
Sorry. I beg to differ. Once again. The Tories have been pumping money into the NHS for a long time now. In fact, and I will search for it later, IIRC the increases in the money going to the has already topped the magical £350m a week and we have still not left yet. In addition the seat of the judge was not even warm before the case against Johnson was dismissed. It was just a ploy to stop his election as PM. I can remember when they had a discussion with Iain Duncan Smith where the interviewer asked him about the court case and he said that it was absurd political games. His main point was asking why only Boris and not himself, Michael Gove and Nigel Farage were not being sued as well, since they were as much part of the campaign as Boris. Finally, Boris hasn’t hinted at cuts to the NHS. On the contrary. He has been all about increases in the NHS, police and defence spending since he started running for PM. The only cuts that are being talked about is Labour’s immature ides of a four day work week with the same pay as a five day work week, which has met with the contempt it deserves.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 10:28
#51
21 Nov 2019, 10:28#51

In the opinion polling since Parliament was dissolved the polls indicate a rather light variation in data collected,   In the main the situation was as follows:-

Conservatives   -   between  35% lowest and 45% highest

Labour              -   between  25% lowest and 32% highest

Lib Dems         -   between  11% lowest and 17% highest

The difference between Conservatives and Labour was -

                             between 8% lowest and 17% highest

Further analysis  in the week since 11 November and today indicated that YouGov gave the Tories a 17% lead over Labour.   In the Brexit referendum and also general elections YouGov has consistently the most accurate in predictions.

However - it must always be borne in mind that opinion polls do not win elections - voters do.

  

   

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