Paris Burning

 And the old testament was all about death and holy vengance and retribution ,whole cities burnt to the ground entire nations put to the sword .Same as espoused by the dimwitted muslims .Ya'll preach death and misery to those who dont do what you want .Or doesnt that part count ?

 You completely distort the old testament. It is not anything in the old testament casuing problems today either.
However look at this. Aj suggested 1% might be redical muslims. Hear this

 Another great bit of sanity by Brigitte Gabriel. Americans are certainly waking up!

This clip re islam's plan to infiltrate and take over america was done in 2011. It is a remarkable clip. What is shocking is muslim take over of American univerisities and brainwashing in schools. 

 Excellent website found:http://counterjihadreport.com/2015/11/14/obamas-dead-wrong-about-the-paris-attacks/

Americans ar3 starting to really think:

First off the president should acknowledge that this atrocity was committed by Islamic jihadis

US News, by Christopher Hull, Nov. 14, 2015:

Paris is my favorite city in the world.

Ernest Hemingway once wrote “if you are lucky enough to have lived in Paris as a young man then wherever you go for the rest of your life it stays with you, for Paris is a moveable feast.” I was lucky enough to have lived in Paris as a young man, and Hemingway, if only on this, was right.

So during the Paris attacks my heart broke watching helplessly as reports came from the scene of the Bataclan club massacre. One apparent club-goer, who was himself wounded, posted on Facebook that the terrorists were slaughtering people, “one by one.”

But we are not helpless. Not yet, anyway.

[READ Reaction from around the world to Paris attacks]

President Barack Obama would have you believe, “This is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values that we share.”

But he’s flat, dead wrong. All of humanity does not share Western values, or the Paris attack wouldn’t have happened.

Specifically, though the president painfully and repeatedly refuses to say so, Islamic jihadis do not share Western values.

If they did, President Obama’s cowardly withdrawal from Iraq and refusal to enforce his own red line in Syria would not have led to Islamic State’s rise in the first place – and the resultant surge of refugees into Europe, including, reportedly, at least one Paris attacker.

Yet President Obama would also have you believe that his limp and increasingly unpopularresponse to Islamic State has “contained” the jihadi army and kept it from “gaining strength,” as he claimed literally hours before the Paris attacks.

Of course, he would also have you believe that climate change is a bigger threat than (Islamic) terror. He insists, “There’s no greater threat to our planet than climate change.” Well, Paris – andNew Yorkon 9/11 and Beirut in 1983 and well, New York in 1993 and Beirut last week andParis earlier this year – are trying over and over to teach us different. The truth is, and the Western world is united in believing it, here’s no greater threat to our planet than Islamic jihad.

And here’s where this matters to you. The Obama White House would also have you believe that the 10,000 Syrian refugees the president is in the process of bringing to America this year alone will “go through the most robust security process of anybody who’s contemplating travel to the United States.” Just last week, the administration acknowledged that it was bringing online refugee screening outposts in the Middle East to “push out really ambitious goals” to “increase the channels” for bringing Syrians to America.

Unfortunately, President Obama’s own FBI director, James Comey, says the U.S. can’t properly vet Syrians for ties to Islamic jihad. Likewise, the assistant director for the FBI, Michael Steinback, has told Congress that when it comes to Syrian refugees, “We don’t have it under control.”

“Absolutely, we’re doing the best we can,” he testified in February before the House. “If I were to say that we had it under control, then I would say I know of every single individual traveling. I don’t. And I don’t know every person there and I don’t know everyone coming back. So it’s not even close to being under control.”

Alabama GOP Sen. Jeff Sessions, who chairs the Senate Immigration and the National Interest subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, repeatedly asked Matthew Emrich, associate director of the Fraud Detection and National Security Directorate at U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, to confirm or deny Mr. Steinback’s claim that Syrian refugees were “clearly a population of concern” and that U.S. databases don’t have information on them. Emmrich eventually fell silent.

[MORE: Editorial Cartoons on the Islamic State Group]

But you don’t have to. This is where we are not yet helpless.

Refugees – amusingly called “migrants” by sympathetic news outlets trying to finesse that they are generally both illegal and immigrants – have swept through Europe and permeated the national media, as well. The image of Aylan Kurdi, a three-year-old Kurdish refugee washed up on a Turkish beachtouched heartstrings around the world, including mine. He looked painfully like my two-year-old boy Thomas.

However, in a sadly goofy way, so did little Richard Martin, the boy killed in the Boston Marathon Bombing by Chechen refugees. In fact, refugees and asylees have played key roles in terror activities from the 1993 World Trade Center bombing to the ongoing flow of al-Shabab recruits from Minnesota.

And it will get worse if we ignore the threat, as Paris suggests. “Just wait,” says an Islamic State group operative, who claims that ISIS has successfully smuggled 4,000 jihadis into Europehidden among refugees. More to come – in Paris, and if we make the mistake of believing our president, here as well.

So what is to be done?

First, we need to acknowledge that the Ted Kennedy-drafted 1980 law that governs refugee resettlement was, like his 1965 Immigration Act and the Immigration Act of 1990, designedmore tomaximize the influx of potential Democrats to the United States than to keep it secure in the face of an enemy like the global Islamic jihad.

So, second, Congress should include in the omnibus spending bill required by December 11, 2015some variation of Texas GOP Rep. Brian Babin’s Refugee Accountability National Security Act, which would place a moratorium on refugee resettlement until Congress deems the program has been adequately reviewed, as well as a Government Accountability Office audit of its costs. Even simply defunding all refugee resettlement from Syria would be a start, though the problem of jihadis posing as refugees extends far beyond Syria.

Third, Congress should pass and President Obama should sign the bill sponsored by House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Michael McCaul, a Texas Republican, which would restore control over how many refugees the U.S. admits each year to the legislative branch, where it belongs.

Fourth, Congress should pass and President Obama should sign the bill sponsored by Texas GOP Sen. Ted Cruz and Rep. Florida GOP Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart to designate the Muslim Brotherhood a Foreign Terrorist Organization, just as have Russia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and arguably even Syria.

[MORE Paris Terror Attacks by ISIS Called ‘Act of War’]

Fifth, the U.S. should militarize its southern border. Attempts to “secure the border” started as early as the late 1800s and have by and large failed. After 9/11, however, George W. Bush ordered 6,000 national guardsmen to the border to at long last seal it for security reasons. Yet as the 2004 elections approached, Bush, who favored immigration expansion for political and business interest reasons, gradually relaxed his grip on the border. President Obama, who favored it to pack the country with left-leaning voters, has literally broken the law to bring people across the border and keep them in the country. Today we have what Marine Corps Gen. John Kelly, then acting commander of the U.S. Southern Command, called an “existential” threat to America.

Sixth, the president (and this could not possibly be Barack Obama) should unite the world around a hard-nosed, realist foreign policy that supports Western civilization’s allies and devastates its enemies – not just in what we now think of as Syria and Iraq, the source of the current refugee tidal wave, but around the world.

Finally, Congress should pass comprehensive immigration reform – and not the amnesty that both the U.S. Chamber and the Democratic Party use that term to describe. A real reform that would:

1. Reverse the Obama administration’s suicidal (not to mention illegal) decision to unilaterally change the law to allow in immigrants with “limited” terror contact
2. Eliminate funding for the so-called voluntary agencies which have turned into lobbies to expand the number of refugees ad infinitum
3. Stop chain migration that immigration forces dub “family reunification” (think about it – why can’t families remain unified in the countries where they start out?) and that could be used to expand President Obama’s 10,000 Syrians exponentially
4. Give the U.S. control over whom we deem a refugee, not the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, which has a rotten record that has led some to speculate about how closely itcooperates with the Organization of Islamic Countries.
5. Eliminate politically correct, politically driven, problem-prone and wildly unsafe“diversity visas” dreamed up by (who else?) the late Senator Kennedy
6. Follow the lead of then-Sen. Joe Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, who once proposedeliminating citizenship for those who join foreign terror organizations
7. Wipe out President Obama’s illegal and unconstitutional amnesty to align the rule of law and perceived incentives to break it
8. Likewise, end the practice of having anchor babies that those who otherwise disdain and ignore the Constitution incorrectly call the constitutional guarantee of “birthright citizenship,” and which Obama has stood on its head by granting illegal amnesty to parents of these tiny citizens
9. Finally, let’s give those from native English speaking countries higher priority in immigration law. They put less of a strain on schools, do better over the long term and, well, are less likely to kill us: 83 percent of alleged terrorist attacks take place outside of native English-speaking countries.

That’s a pretty hefty agenda. To even move in that direction, here’s one thing that we as a nation – and the entire Western World – must do before anything else: acknowledge that we are in a war with Islamic jihadis who want us dead for ideological reasons and will stop at nothing to kill us.

Otherwise, not only my favorite city will continue to face an ever-greater risk of senseless slaughter at the hands of blood-thirsty Islamic jihadis.

Yours will too.

Christopher C. Hull, Ph.D., a former adjunct assistant professor at Georgetown University, is the immediate past chief of staff for Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. He works with clients including the Center for Security Policy, a nonpartisan, nonprofit national security think tank.

Also see:

• Angry about Paris? Time for a moratorium on Muslim migration to America? Start with cutting the funds for it! (refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com)
• Ted Cruz calls for end to Syrian refugee resettlement (americanthinker.com)

 Excellent website found:http://counterjihadreport.com/2015/11/14/obamas-dead-wrong-about-the-paris-attacks/

Americans ar3 starting to really think:

First off the president should acknowledge that this atrocity was committed by Islamic jihadis

US News, by Christopher Hull, Nov. 14, 2015:

Paris is my favorite city in the world.

Ernest Hemingway once wrote “if you are lucky enough to have lived in Paris as a young man then wherever you go for the rest of your life it stays with you, for Paris is a moveable feast.” I was lucky enough to have lived in Paris as a young man, and Hemingway, if only on this, was right.

So during the Paris attacks my heart broke watching helplessly as reports came from the scene of the Bataclan club massacre. One apparent club-goer, who was himself wounded, posted on Facebook that the terrorists were slaughtering people, “one by one.”

But we are not helpless. Not yet, anyway.

[READ Reaction from around the world to Paris attacks]

President Barack Obama would have you believe, “This is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values that we share.”

But he’s flat, dead wrong. All of humanity does not share Western values, or the Paris attack wouldn’t have happened.

Specifically, though the president painfully and repeatedly refuses to say so, Islamic jihadis do not share Western values.

If they did, President Obama’s cowardly withdrawal from Iraq and refusal to enforce his own red line in Syria would not have led to Islamic State’s rise in the first place – and the resultant surge of refugees into Europe, including, reportedly, at least one Paris attacker.

Yet President Obama would also have you believe that his limp and increasingly unpopularresponse to Islamic State has “contained” the jihadi army and kept it from “gaining strength,” as he claimed literally hours before the Paris attacks.

Of course, he would also have you believe that climate change is a bigger threat than (Islamic) terror. He insists, “There’s no greater threat to our planet than climate change.” Well, Paris – andNew Yorkon 9/11 and Beirut in 1983 and well, New York in 1993 and Beirut last week andParis earlier this year – are trying over and over to teach us different. The truth is, and the Western world is united in believing it, here’s no greater threat to our planet than Islamic jihad.

And here’s where this matters to you. The Obama White House would also have you believe that the 10,000 Syrian refugees the president is in the process of bringing to America this year alone will “go through the most robust security process of anybody who’s contemplating travel to the United States.” Just last week, the administration acknowledged that it was bringing online refugee screening outposts in the Middle East to “push out really ambitious goals” to “increase the channels” for bringing Syrians to America.

Unfortunately, President Obama’s own FBI director, James Comey, says the U.S. can’t properly vet Syrians for ties to Islamic jihad. Likewise, the assistant director for the FBI, Michael Steinback, has told Congress that when it comes to Syrian refugees, “We don’t have it under control.”

“Absolutely, we’re doing the best we can,” he testified in February before the House. “If I were to say that we had it under control, then I would say I know of every single individual traveling. I don’t. And I don’t know every person there and I don’t know everyone coming back. So it’s not even close to being under control.”

Alabama GOP Sen. Jeff Sessions, who chairs the Senate Immigration and the National Interest subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, repeatedly asked Matthew Emrich, associate director of the Fraud Detection and National Security Directorate at U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, to confirm or deny Mr. Steinback’s claim that Syrian refugees were “clearly a population of concern” and that U.S. databases don’t have information on them. Emmrich eventually fell silent.

[MORE: Editorial Cartoons on the Islamic State Group]

But you don’t have to. This is where we are not yet helpless.

Refugees – amusingly called “migrants” by sympathetic news outlets trying to finesse that they are generally both illegal and immigrants – have swept through Europe and permeated the national media, as well. The image of Aylan Kurdi, a three-year-old Kurdish refugee washed up on a Turkish beachtouched heartstrings around the world, including mine. He looked painfully like my two-year-old boy Thomas.

However, in a sadly goofy way, so did little Richard Martin, the boy killed in the Boston Marathon Bombing by Chechen refugees. In fact, refugees and asylees have played key roles in terror activities from the 1993 World Trade Center bombing to the ongoing flow of al-Shabab recruits from Minnesota.

And it will get worse if we ignore the threat, as Paris suggests. “Just wait,” says an Islamic State group operative, who claims that ISIS has successfully smuggled 4,000 jihadis into Europehidden among refugees. More to come – in Paris, and if we make the mistake of believing our president, here as well.

So what is to be done?

First, we need to acknowledge that the Ted Kennedy-drafted 1980 law that governs refugee resettlement was, like his 1965 Immigration Act and the Immigration Act of 1990, designedmore tomaximize the influx of potential Democrats to the United States than to keep it secure in the face of an enemy like the global Islamic jihad.

So, second, Congress should include in the omnibus spending bill required by December 11, 2015some variation of Texas GOP Rep. Brian Babin’s Refugee Accountability National Security Act, which would place a moratorium on refugee resettlement until Congress deems the program has been adequately reviewed, as well as a Government Accountability Office audit of its costs. Even simply defunding all refugee resettlement from Syria would be a start, though the problem of jihadis posing as refugees extends far beyond Syria.

Third, Congress should pass and President Obama should sign the bill sponsored by House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Michael McCaul, a Texas Republican, which would restore control over how many refugees the U.S. admits each year to the legislative branch, where it belongs.

Fourth, Congress should pass and President Obama should sign the bill sponsored by Texas GOP Sen. Ted Cruz and Rep. Florida GOP Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart to designate the Muslim Brotherhood a Foreign Terrorist Organization, just as have Russia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and arguably even Syria.

[MORE Paris Terror Attacks by ISIS Called ‘Act of War’]

Fifth, the U.S. should militarize its southern border. Attempts to “secure the border” started as early as the late 1800s and have by and large failed. After 9/11, however, George W. Bush ordered 6,000 national guardsmen to the border to at long last seal it for security reasons. Yet as the 2004 elections approached, Bush, who favored immigration expansion for political and business interest reasons, gradually relaxed his grip on the border. President Obama, who favored it to pack the country with left-leaning voters, has literally broken the law to bring people across the border and keep them in the country. Today we have what Marine Corps Gen. John Kelly, then acting commander of the U.S. Southern Command, called an “existential” threat to America.

Sixth, the president (and this could not possibly be Barack Obama) should unite the world around a hard-nosed, realist foreign policy that supports Western civilization’s allies and devastates its enemies – not just in what we now think of as Syria and Iraq, the source of the current refugee tidal wave, but around the world.

Finally, Congress should pass comprehensive immigration reform – and not the amnesty that both the U.S. Chamber and the Democratic Party use that term to describe. A real reform that would:

1. Reverse the Obama administration’s suicidal (not to mention illegal) decision to unilaterally change the law to allow in immigrants with “limited” terror contact
2. Eliminate funding for the so-called voluntary agencies which have turned into lobbies to expand the number of refugees ad infinitum
3. Stop chain migration that immigration forces dub “family reunification” (think about it – why can’t families remain unified in the countries where they start out?) and that could be used to expand President Obama’s 10,000 Syrians exponentially
4. Give the U.S. control over whom we deem a refugee, not the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, which has a rotten record that has led some to speculate about how closely itcooperates with the Organization of Islamic Countries.
5. Eliminate politically correct, politically driven, problem-prone and wildly unsafe“diversity visas” dreamed up by (who else?) the late Senator Kennedy
6. Follow the lead of then-Sen. Joe Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, who once proposedeliminating citizenship for those who join foreign terror organizations
7. Wipe out President Obama’s illegal and unconstitutional amnesty to align the rule of law and perceived incentives to break it
8. Likewise, end the practice of having anchor babies that those who otherwise disdain and ignore the Constitution incorrectly call the constitutional guarantee of “birthright citizenship,” and which Obama has stood on its head by granting illegal amnesty to parents of these tiny citizens
9. Finally, let’s give those from native English speaking countries higher priority in immigration law. They put less of a strain on schools, do better over the long term and, well, are less likely to kill us: 83 percent of alleged terrorist attacks take place outside of native English-speaking countries.

That’s a pretty hefty agenda. To even move in that direction, here’s one thing that we as a nation – and the entire Western World – must do before anything else: acknowledge that we are in a war with Islamic jihadis who want us dead for ideological reasons and will stop at nothing to kill us.

Otherwise, not only my favorite city will continue to face an ever-greater risk of senseless slaughter at the hands of blood-thirsty Islamic jihadis.

Yours will too.

Christopher C. Hull, Ph.D., a former adjunct assistant professor at Georgetown University, is the immediate past chief of staff for Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. He works with clients including the Center for Security Policy, a nonpartisan, nonprofit national security think tank.

Also see:

• Angry about Paris? Time for a moratorium on Muslim migration to America? Start with cutting the funds for it! (refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com)
• Ted Cruz calls for end to Syrian refugee resettlement (americanthinker.com)

Surfing the web you can see that the attempts by some to smother the truth is getting nowhere. People are waking up. Action though will be required and there is a way to go.

 Everyone has a lot to learn.

Islam cant coexist? Coexist with what? The culture of death brought by those in humanity who take pride in destroying faster, bigger and better than other men?

Islam is not the issue in this regard because nothing is meant to coexist with that culture of death. Other people, the environment. Nothing is meant to coexist. Not even themselves.

Everywhere they go, they've brought destruction, they've put humanity on the path of depletion of resources.

Complaints about work? Work is supported by  the environment, the destruction of the environment jeopardizes the availabity of work.

The whole area of the middle east has been put on the path of depletion in mineral assets. Who did the job? The muslims? Nope, those who feel superior because they can destroy faster, better and bigger.

This destruction of the oil has done no good to the availability of work. And who is blamed for that? The people who did not destroy the oil.

That is one trademark of those who feel superior because they can destroy faster, better and bigger: they usually reject of the fault for the consequences of the destruction on those who did not perform the destruction.

Nobody, nothing cant coexist with those ones, they've put the humanity on the path of obliteration.

They will fight over the second to last fish they can catch to be able to destroy the last fish they  can catch.

Islam, the bigger threat? What a joke.

For POI. Beeno believes earth is 6000 years old and that anything which is older has been put here by Satan to confuse us. There is no point even responding to, never mind trying to reason with him. Anything you find in his Bible which contradicts his ramblings will be said to be symbolic and everything else is to be taken literally. But please remember that he grew up in a household where he was taught that his race is superior. His way of living is the most wholesome and his people are the true masters. And he still believes that bollocks. He has been indoctrinated since he was a child and unfortunately he was never smart nor brave enough to exit that spiral. He is about as hypocritical as one can get, and really in his heart he knows that he doesn't really believe. If he did, he would not be nearly as arrogant. He is no different to any hate mongering religious nut from any other persuasion. A true glass house dweller. Pay him no attention. Smile and knod bud. Smile and knod ;)

This thread makes me think of the graph I put up just the other day of the study that shows how lack of intelligence equates to religiosity. No surprise then that the fundamentalist bible-bashers like Baboon-ou are making such fools of the mselves on this thread!
I don't really distinguish between christian, islamic or any other fundamentalists. They're all slavering zealots who rely on blind faith rather than reason and who replace rational thinking with scriptures and dogma from thousands of years ago written by primitive hunter-gatherers who believed the earth was flat.
The self-righteous and finger-pointing christians on this thread should have a little think about the Crusades and the fact that they caused hatred that still lasts to this day, over a thousand years after the atrocities that were committed in the name of Christendom. 
The Yanks also have a lot to answer for. They have been bankrolling terrorist groups like the Taliban and Al Qaeda for years now to help them destabilize the Middle East and when these same groups finally overcome the ruling parties that the Yanks originally wanted to topple, then the Yanks suddenly go to war with them . . . usually under the flimsy pretext of Weapons of Mass Destruction and/or Chemical Weapons that are never found or proven.
The world is in a mess right now but to try and pretend that Christianity and the West isn't at least half responsible is just naive. The ignorant anti-Islamic rhetoric on this thread is just another example of the biased, prejudiced and brainwashed thinking that will ensure this cycle of violence and retribution continues.
Intolerant zealots of all religions and sects are the problem. Religion kills.

 Isee three halfwits are babling on but I have no time to waste on their nonsense.Here is a good article on the true natuture of the threat

The war which we fight is primarily defined by the enemy as INFORMATION WARFARE, which manifests itself in our system as political warfare, influence operations, and subversion of our foundational institutions – political, educational, religious, and media. Yet, our entire government structure is focused on the kinetic war – shootings, bombings, kidnappings and other acts of “terrorism.” We are not only NOT winning in the information battle-space, we are not engaged in that space because we do not understand it is the enemy’s self-identified Main Focus of Effort. Where we do attempt to engage in the information battle-space, we are off the mark because we have not stopped to learn the enemy doctrine. Jihadi plans for violence here in the U.S., as well as the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere, are important to the enemy, but secondary to the Information Warfare. Our failure to understand this and to know the enemy doctrine cripples our ability to engage the enemy where he fights his main battle.

Al Qaeda and other violent jihadi groups fight to (1) implement Islamic Law and (2) re-establish the global Islamic state (Caliphate). The Information War in the West is driven by front groups posing as peaceful Muslim organizations, led by the Muslim Brotherhood (MB). 

The MB was created in Egypt in 1928 to (1) implement Islamic Law worldwide and (2) re-establish the Caliphate. Al Qaeda and the MB have the same objectives – the difference in achieving them is timing and tactics. The Brotherhood’s Creed is:

“God is our objective; the Koran is our law; the Prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations.” 

As a result of documents entered into evidence in the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) trial in Dallas, Texas in 2008 (the largest terrorism-financing / Hamas trial in American history), we know every major Muslim organization in the United States is controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) or a derivative thereof (to include but not limited to: CAIR, ISNA, ICNA, MAS, MSA, IIIT, Fiqh Council of North America, ATF and hundreds of others). The leadership of HLF and HLF itself was proven to be Muslim Brothers/Hamas. The documents released at the trial demonstrate the MB’s presence in the U.S. and the level they have insinuated themselves into our society and are achieving their objectives.

Islamic Law is real law. It is the basis for constitutions in Muslim nations around the world. In Islam, obedience to the law is more important than one’s own personal conscience/belief structure. There is no Islamic Law that does not require Jihad as “warfare against non-Muslims” until all the world is claimed for Islam. Since the creation of Islam, there has never been any other definition of “Jihad” in Islamic Law. Under Islamic Law, non-Muslims must ultimately convert or submit to Islam, or be killed. The entire world is divided into the Dar al-Islam (house of Islam) and the Dar al-Harb (house of war), and, therefore, Jihad is a permanent state until the Dar al-Harb is eliminated and the entire world is brought under the Dar al-Islam, ruled by Shariah / Islamic Law. 

Current Islamic sources teach that Islamic Law is diametrically opposed to the U.S. Constitution. This is not a First Amendment issue, and it is NOT a “religious” issue. The enemy seeks to impose foreign law (Shari’ah) in the United States challenging Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution which states “The Constitution… shall be the supreme law of the land.”

MB organizations conduct outreach to the government, law enforcement, media, religious community, and others for one reason – to subvert them in furtherance of their objective – implementation of Islamic Law. Current publications of Islamic Law clearly allow for “obligatory lying” to non-Muslims when the objective is obligatory – Jihad for example. Therefore, when studying this issue, it is critical to read published law written by Muslim authorities, for the benefit of Muslim audiences. In this information war, a principle goal of the Muslim Brotherhood is to keep the West from studying authoritative Islamic Law – the stated doctrine used by both the violent jihadis (Al Qaeda et al), and the subversive organizations led by the Muslim Brotherhood. This doctrine is taught at the first grade level across the Middle East, and in English in U.S. Islamic Schools and Mosques. Individuals charged with duties in the National Security realm, especially the leadership, who have sworn an oath to the Constitution, must undertake a concerted effort to learn and understand the factual basis of the threat doctrine that includes a self-proclaimed reliance on Islamic Law. Arguably, failure to do so makes the development of a counter-strategy impossible, and notably constitutes malfeasance on the part of the National Security professionals.

No doubt ou rooitwit's last thought before he is beheaded for not beleiving in th emoon god allah will be - dash Beeno was right yet again. He always got is right on rugby matters and showed me up badly on evolution matters - so why didnt I take heed on this matter. 

 Isee three halfwits are babling on but I have no time to waste on their nonsense.Here is a good article on the true natuture of the threat

The war which we fight is primarily defined by the enemy as INFORMATION WARFARE, which manifests itself in our system as political warfare, influence operations, and subversion of our foundational institutions – political, educational, religious, and media. Yet, our entire government structure is focused on the kinetic war – shootings, bombings, kidnappings and other acts of “terrorism.” We are not only NOT winning in the information battle-space, we are not engaged in that space because we do not understand it is the enemy’s self-identified Main Focus of Effort. Where we do attempt to engage in the information battle-space, we are off the mark because we have not stopped to learn the enemy doctrine. Jihadi plans for violence here in the U.S., as well as the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere, are important to the enemy, but secondary to the Information Warfare. Our failure to understand this and to know the enemy doctrine cripples our ability to engage the enemy where he fights his main battle.

Al Qaeda and other violent jihadi groups fight to (1) implement Islamic Law and (2) re-establish the global Islamic state (Caliphate). The Information War in the West is driven by front groups posing as peaceful Muslim organizations, led by the Muslim Brotherhood (MB). 

The MB was created in Egypt in 1928 to (1) implement Islamic Law worldwide and (2) re-establish the Caliphate. Al Qaeda and the MB have the same objectives – the difference in achieving them is timing and tactics. The Brotherhood’s Creed is:

“God is our objective; the Koran is our law; the Prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations.” 

As a result of documents entered into evidence in the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) trial in Dallas, Texas in 2008 (the largest terrorism-financing / Hamas trial in American history), we know every major Muslim organization in the United States is controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) or a derivative thereof (to include but not limited to: CAIR, ISNA, ICNA, MAS, MSA, IIIT, Fiqh Council of North America, ATF and hundreds of others). The leadership of HLF and HLF itself was proven to be Muslim Brothers/Hamas. The documents released at the trial demonstrate the MB’s presence in the U.S. and the level they have insinuated themselves into our society and are achieving their objectives.

Islamic Law is real law. It is the basis for constitutions in Muslim nations around the world. In Islam, obedience to the law is more important than one’s own personal conscience/belief structure. There is no Islamic Law that does not require Jihad as “warfare against non-Muslims” until all the world is claimed for Islam. Since the creation of Islam, there has never been any other definition of “Jihad” in Islamic Law. Under Islamic Law, non-Muslims must ultimately convert or submit to Islam, or be killed. The entire world is divided into the Dar al-Islam (house of Islam) and the Dar al-Harb (house of war), and, therefore, Jihad is a permanent state until the Dar al-Harb is eliminated and the entire world is brought under the Dar al-Islam, ruled by Shariah / Islamic Law. 

Current Islamic sources teach that Islamic Law is diametrically opposed to the U.S. Constitution. This is not a First Amendment issue, and it is NOT a “religious” issue. The enemy seeks to impose foreign law (Shari’ah) in the United States challenging Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution which states “The Constitution… shall be the supreme law of the land.”

MB organizations conduct outreach to the government, law enforcement, media, religious community, and others for one reason – to subvert them in furtherance of their objective – implementation of Islamic Law. Current publications of Islamic Law clearly allow for “obligatory lying” to non-Muslims when the objective is obligatory – Jihad for example. Therefore, when studying this issue, it is critical to read published law written by Muslim authorities, for the benefit of Muslim audiences. In this information war, a principle goal of the Muslim Brotherhood is to keep the West from studying authoritative Islamic Law – the stated doctrine used by both the violent jihadis (Al Qaeda et al), and the subversive organizations led by the Muslim Brotherhood. This doctrine is taught at the first grade level across the Middle East, and in English in U.S. Islamic Schools and Mosques. Individuals charged with duties in the National Security realm, especially the leadership, who have sworn an oath to the Constitution, must undertake a concerted effort to learn and understand the factual basis of the threat doctrine that includes a self-proclaimed reliance on Islamic Law. Arguably, failure to do so makes the development of a counter-strategy impossible, and notably constitutes malfeasance on the part of the National Security professionals.

No doubt ou rooitwit's last thought before he is beheaded for not beleiving in th emoon god allah will be - dash Beeno was right yet again. He always got is right on rugby matters and showed me up badly on evolution matters - so why didnt I take heed on this matter. 

Haha oh yeah, I forgot. Claims evolution is not a reality either. Oh my! When someone's understanding of the world is so bad that almost anything they say amounts to nothing more than unintentional trolling.

Plum, you just have to check out Baboon-ou's sources to know how much store to set by his unmatched stupidity.
When he's talking about religion he's copying and pasting from this website.
When he attempts to join in political or current news threads then he's copying and pasting from this website.
Not sure which one is funnier but they are both hilarious. I urge you to go check them out for a laugh . . . and for some insight into where Baboon-ou is coming from.

I dont know if my eyes can handle that much pain Rooi.

Sorry halfwits no time to waste on oaks who think the universe created itself from nothing etc. Here is a truly great speech by Donald Trump who will surely be the next USA president. He just keeps getting it right. Does he embarass the hapless politically correct nutters. He has recently leapt a further 17 points in the polls!   

The Crusades happened almost a millennium ago.....Islamic violence is with us today. But four  weeks could wipe Isis  out as an occupying force anywhere and drive them underground....where they will still exist and threaten....but be infinitely weaker, lose their recruiting appeal.

All it requires is resolve and rejecting the notion that we are just like them. Maybe at one time, but not today. They are unique....nothing about Christianity is like the Koran in terms of violence. One is compassionate, the other domineering. We should stop beating ourselves up.

This needs to be cleaned up....compared to  the Korean War or even the Wars against Iraq.....it's a nothing. But the world shouldn't condone what we see with passivity. Men killed in cages, historic sites lost forever, innocent civilians slaughtered. If we want a decent world we have to confront indecency.

 Jim Jones killed more westerners than even these isis scumbags including a US senator in Ireland the 'Troubles " killed thousands and kept Northern Island poor and sad for the better part of the 20th century .Then we have the former Yugoslavia and 'ethnic cleansing " but those muslims were a whiter shade of pale so we had to save those poor buggers .I worked with a very dodgy Irishman who would never say why or when he came to Australia but was always giving me books like "diary of a revolutionary " or the history of SinFein etc .I loved working with this Irishman but mention the English or religion and a whole other dude emerged who would happily slit  a protestants throat more joy to him were it an Orangeman .Religion ,ya'll can keep it to yourselves its created plenty of misery to share around from all sources .Far as isis is concerned I couldnt care less if they worshipped a farking house-brick from allahs heavenly palace of utter nonsense or if they were one of beenheads mob ,just kill them and be done with it like killing a rabid dog .

 Far as isis is concerned I couldnt care less if they worshipped a farking house-brick from allahs heavenly palace of utter nonsense or if they were one of beenheads mob ,just kill them and be done with it like killing a rabid dog .
Well , well ,well how revealing these little moments are. So kill beeno and Cloudy and Hawka and Seb and all the Christians and even muslims who do not perpetrate these atrocities.
Murder the lot of them eh warped DUD.
Well you will be very pleased to know that in respect of the Christians you will one dy have your wish. God's word speaks of a period know as the Great Tribulation. During this period the Anti Christ rules the world. It is a terrible period where a third of the people of the earth perish. He forces all to take the mark of the beast without which you will be able to neither buy nor sell. Now here is the piece that will please you warped dud, the people who refuse to take the mark - i.e. the Christians will be beheaded. Te Anti Christ makes war on the people of God for a period of three and a half years. He opposes God in every way, hates everything that is Godly. The epitome of evil. He comes speaking peace and deceives the nations desparate for peace in the troubled times and under great threat.I am sure I ahve made your warped day warped DUD. However I am afraid I have to tell you the bad news now. At the end of this seven year period known as the Great Tribulation Christ returns and restores order and reigns. Sorry to spoil it all for you warped DUD especially since the world will be having such a grand time under the rule of Anti Christ.
Your hearts attitude is only yet another indication of how the the spirit of anti christ is working in the world to day and moulding mens hearts to his purposes and preparing them for his period of rule. On the one hand we have the lunatics worshipping their moon god llah and on the other we have raging atheists who ahte God with a passion. However the outcome is that every need will bow and every tongue will confess that Jeus Christ is Lord to the glory of the father. Not because we as Christians have to force anybody to bow, God himself will do that.I keep hearing this silly comment about the crusades.  Well again I challenge anybody here to provide any proof that Christ required his followers to behave in this way. I have put forth this challenge before but no one can provide any proof. Why because I have done the reading. The ignorance on display about these things is appalling. 
Warped DUD there is still time to repent but time is not your friend. Jesus said if you seek me in earnest you will find. You have no time to lose. Satan has you and you will end up spending eternity with him.

Fully agree with Wardad. ISIS are as scumbag as scumbag get and need to be burnt. Any organization of that nature has no right to exist. All I'm saying is that we should also bring those who brought about their existence to justice. At the same time we should mourn the loss of lives in The UK(7/7), Spain, Norway and France...but also the innocent people in the middle east. Personally, as hard as I try, I really struggle to get on with Pakistanis or North Africans. I hate they way treat their woman and how money is money regardless of where you get it. But I'm also humble enough to know that just because in dont like em, doesn't mean that I can allow their innocents to be slaughtered. I refuse to climb up on a moral/religious pedestal and turn a blind eye, because that make me no better than ISIS. This is what Been-dick doesn't seem to understand. For the record. The Arabs were awesome until they found Islam. We're it not for Persia's centralizing of information long long ago, we'd be way behind where we are today. Dunno if you guys ever heard of the Arab king who gave any person the weight of any book in gold if they translated it...brilliant! There are many many things we need to thanks the pre-islam Arabs for...and almost zero today. Again...fffuuuccckk religion. It's a blight. F anything that kills the human spirit anr divides people.

Who is turning a blind eye you complete plank plum. 
From a security point of view and from a point of view of not wanting to live under sharia law and be either killed or enslaved by muslims the only solution is to ship them back to muslim lands. 
Go and look at all my posts and educate yourself. Turning a blind eye, Bwahahahhahahahahahaha what a halfwit. This has to be the most stupid post of the year. I refuse to climb up on a moral/religious pedestal and turn a blind eye, because that make me no better than ISIS. This is what Been-[removed] doesn't seem to understand.
What kills the human spirit and people is atheism. Look at communism. Stalin. Moa etc. You really have no clue whatsoever. You also have no clue whatsoever of what Christ taught. So before blabbering away like a lunatic and making a complete twit of yourself go and read the new testament. Right now you sound like an unhinged lunatic.You are another who will welcome the Anti Christ with open arms. If you think Christianity is anything like Islam you are as daft as a hatter. 

Beeno, how you manage to quote Wardad and then completely twist/misunderstand what he said laughable. At what point does he say...go murder all Christians? He said, wipe out ISIS, regardless of who they believe in. Someone who can't understand basic meaning in a simple sentence like that needs to have their chromosomes counted. You are retarded.

 Moz I think the important point is that Americans are being taught to hate their country as a means of demoralising them. Trump is a different voice. A great leader is emmerging.

 There is a major problem in the Middle East caused in part by the Western Countries - especially the US and UK.  If they did not start the second Iraq war and tried to get rid of Hussein in the first is instance Iraq would not be the wreck it is now.
By creating a power vacuum in Iraq - augmented by supporting the crooks that the Americas wanted in charge - they created the situation for the emergence of ISIS.  No outsiders should ever get involved in the internal wars between factions of the islamic religion.  In Iraq the US and UK sided with the  Sunni's and drove th Shi'ites into the arms of Isis.   
Now with their allies a coalition of countries are carrying on a proxy war with Isis - but largely elave them in charge to operate on the ground.   If they want to chieve anything they must go in with ground troops and kill as many as possible of the mongrels.   That should be done together with Russia - most of the hard core terrorists from Cheznia is the core of ISIS.   The Russians would locve to see thm dealt with as well.  
If they want to achieve any success in this case ground troops would be needed and 30 000 well-trained troops would wipe out that next of vipers quickly enough.   Then forget about the colonial boundaries drawn up by the West - especially France and England  and look at the population distribution in the Syria and Iraq areas and redraw the boundaries according to the religious affiliation of the various areas.   If the new countries so created want a federated state - leave it to them.   If you leave deadly enemies in one state there will be a continuous disaster.


                   

 There is a major problem in the Middle East caused in part by the Western Countries - especially the US and UK.  If they did not start the second Iraq war and tried to get rid of Hussein in the first instance Iraq would not be the wreck it is now.
By creating a power vacuum in Iraq - augmented by supporting the crooks that the Americas wanted in charge - they created the situation for the emergence of ISIS.  No outsiders should ever get involved in the internal wars between factions of the islamic religion.  In Iraq the US and UK sided with the  Sunni's and drove the Shi'ites into the arms of Isis.   
Now with their allies a coalition of countries are carrying on a proxy war with Isis - but largely leave them in charge to operate on the ground.   If they want to achieve anything they must go in with ground troops and kill as many as possible of the mongrels.   That should be done together with Russia - most of the hard core terrorists from Cheznia is the core of ISIS.   The Russians would love to see the m dealt with as well.  
If they want to achieve any success in this case ground troops would be needed and 30 000 well-trained troops would wipe out that next of vipers quickly enough.   Then forget about the colonial boundaries drawn up by the West - especially France and England  and look at the population distribution in the Syria and Iraq areas and redraw the boundaries according to the religious affiliation of the various areas.   If the new countries so created want a federated state - leave it to them.   If you leave deadly enemies in one state there will be a continuous disaster.


                   

 12,000 Syrians landing in Oz within the next 24 hours......I thought Kuwait is closer to Syria than Oz.

 You make a good point about boundaries Mike ,most of them were done by 19th century colonialists like the mess in Africa.France divided Syria in 2 some 75 years ago  .1 or 2 heavy US divisions with supporting arms  and coalition partners would clean the bas.tards out in a couple of weeks but they then need to get out ASAP .Make some saudi citizens bleed in the mess they created ,send their sons to war .

 More points on Islam as the biggest threat faced by the world.

As reminded in the thread, Islam, just as judaism and christianity, parts humanity in two: believers in the right god and the others.
Both christians and muslims consider that all humanity must hear of their god's message, a message that includes the idea that once you've heard of the existence of their god, you're at fault for not believing.
Jewish people think that the message is reserved to a part in humanity, the elected people.

Amusing fact: Africa, especially dark africa, was full of the others that muslims used to call  kaffir/kuffar.

The thread also reminds that the terrorist strike is labelled as an assault on humanity.

Muslims, as reminded in the thread, do not attack people for a cause related to humanity, they attack people because of a lack in faith. Their assault is not an assault on humanity. They did not attack people because people lack in humanity but because people lack in faith.

Now does it mean that humanity is not threatened by assault on it? No, it means that islam is not a threat on humanity for sure.

The threat exists, the culture of death that is raging now has got used to parting humanity in two: the humans and the non humans. Humans are accordingly those who are strong in destruction, whereas the weak in destruction are non human.

Those who are overwhelmed by a feeling of superiority because they can destroy faster, better and larger, have constantly attacked others for what they claim to be a lack in humanity.
They have kept attacking people because they consider them non human.

That persisting denial of the unalienable human condition is the assault on humanity. Look nowhere else, it is right here.

As this will be exposed again before one year.
Before one year, similar attacks will happen again and not all of them wont be labelled as an assault on humanity. Each one that will target those who are considered non human wont be labelled as an assault on humanity.

For the fun of it, everytime this kind of attacks happens, I will try to post in here a reminder of this part, as they will expose grossly the attackers on humanity.
Attackers on humanity wont label the attacks assaults on humanity for the simplest reason: attackers on humanity do not consider the targets of the attacks as human beings, therefore, they cant be assaults on humanity.

What else? Ah, yes, the amusing fact.

In South Africa, while the term kaffir is originated in the muslim usage, the term is not used to label a person lacking in faith. It is used to label a person lacking in humanity, a non human, an animal, a beast. The culture of death is an amusing thing.

Mike is 100% correct. The retarded borders drawn out for Middle East countries by the west are totally ridiculous.

Generally, middle eastern borders were defined via tribal and religious affiliations. Even to this day many mapped borders are paid little attention to by locals. There is the first problem.

And i fully agree that the problem of ISIS needs to be swiftly dealt with. BUT...will this happen?

Are we really aware of the full western agenda that will come into play if the US, UK and some European nation's nationals lean further to the right and troops are sent back into the middle east? Are we sure that the corporate owned politicians will have the best interests of their respective nations at heart when given the chance at a brand new invasion? Are we very very sure that new mismanagement won't result in yet another cokcup, more resource pilfering and thus further issues down the line from Syria, Iraq, Iran etc etc? In other words, are we certain that generations from now, new suicide bombers will take the place of current ones because they'll have even more reason to hate?

My guess, because this is all that seems to happen these days, is that some fukkers will benefit massively from a new invasion, and everyone else, both east and west, will be left in a worse position than before. The most recent example being Iraq.

If history teaches us anything, it's that invasions never ever work. Look at how many times the yanks have failed, and correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't they by some distance the worlds leading military force?

If one wanted to be very cynical, you could even say that this new invasion was always on the cards. Have we forgotten Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Mr Bush? You could even say that the idea all along was to tick the arabs off as much as possible, kill many many innocents, and thus create a new enemy for the military industrial complex to benefit from. Sounds crazy yes. But then, isn't it all just very peculiar how all of this, since 9/11 has played out. One "fortunate" co-incidence after the other, and from year to year since 2001, shares in arms companies have been increasing in value. Notably, the the last two year has seen a small decline. Now though, we are ready for a big spike. Seriously, if you have some cash laying around...BAE(wink wink).

If one really wants to get to the bottom of this, you have to realize two things. Firstly, what you believe to be your consent, it's not yours. It has been manufactured. Secondly and following on, you have to ask, who benefits from all of this?

What i will write now, you can save somewhere and then in two years time you can get it out and read it again. From today, until December 2018, keep an eye on the value of the worlds major arms manufacturers and telecommunications companies. Look at what happens to their stocks. Then, pay close attention to which both minor and major politicians who will play key roles in the events which will unfold have affiliations with or just down right shares in these firms. If you care to do the research, you'll find some startling co-incidences.

Now, you think i am a conspiracy theorsit right? Cool, but we know for a fact that this is exactly what happened in Iraq. Key role players having major shares in companies that directly benefited from "finding the WMDs". There is no speculation involved there. So, why should it not happen again? Remember Rumsfeld at the UN, in front off all those people, lying through his fkn teeth. He knew he was lying, so did everyone else...yet it still happened. And none of them went to prison. Nope, they all went and celebrated because they made a literal fkn fortune. Plain and simple...and you can follow the money trail. 

And all of this will happen while Be-enis leads the religious charge, not knowing that he stumbled at the very first hurdle when it came to understanding what the real issue at hand is.

 Another point in the thread is shockingly revealing.
This is war. Introduced as if it should be a surprise.

How could this be surprising? France 's started a war. In this case, the normal expectation that one) you are at war with the enemy, two) your enemy is at war with you.

Yet, the title reported in the thread shows that the state of war should be treated as a surprise.

This is another trait that highlights the threat on humanity.

People who think themselves superior because they can destroy better, faster feel so superior that they reject the idea that those they attack could retaliate.

When they go to war, they expect the enemy to be in a state of total submission and let themselves be killed without trying to retaliate.

This is another way that shows the threat of humanity: they abhor so much the idea of humanity, that is that human beings, no matter what, are part of humanity, that, even in war, they cant admit that when they are trying to kill other human beings, the other human beings will try to kill them.

Their rejection of humanity goes up to that.

Here we go, one co-incidence, of which there will be many more to come. http://www.cityindex.co.uk/market-analysis/market-news/39892982015/bae-shares-soar-as-investor-flight-from-rolls-accelerates/ How many days back was France bombed? Mmm, massive market shifts sparked by Rolls "being honest" with its investors...just two days prior. And guess who benefits by receiving huge cash injections at just the right time. Click!

We are drifting into utter garbage again....Iraq invaded Kuwait in an unprovoked attack in the 90s. The only thing that prevents more Muslim on Muslim violence is intervention by the West. We aren't the problem....they are.
And the message of Christianity  is nothing like he message of Islam. Some of the actions of Christian institutions may seem simllar going back in time....but there is nothing, nada, zero in Christianity that calls for or condones violence.
Educate yourselves.
 

Moz, the US invaded Iraq in a completely unprovoked attack in 2001. 1.2 million people died as a result. There were no nukes to be found, just as the UN whistle-blowers predicted. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and it had tried to stay afloat amidst massive sanctions(partially by selling oil on the black market to some of India's big manufacturers). It was also stable. Saddam, as bad as he was, had that place on lockdown. How big was the lie that was told to create the pretext for invading them? We'll it was so big that Paris got attacked a few days ago as a DIRECT RESULT...15 years later. Long after the real criminals are long gone. The illegal war mounted against the people of Iraq is what has caused this current crisis. You can systematically follow the steps that have brought ISIS about. I'm sorry man, but there is no way around it. If so, please do let me know. I have read as much as I can and tried to stay informed since back then, but you might know something that I don't. I'm not being sarcastic. Well, i guess we could just say that Muslims are all evil and that is the cause of this. My feeling is that both sides are being played against each other and the masses on either end buy into the charade wholeheartedly. I dunno, maybe we all need somebody to hate or maybe we just don't feel quite normal during peace times. But something keeps causing us to go back down this road, and i don't think it's as simple as one section of humanity simply being evil and having evil beliefs. People make money out of war, big money. We are not the guardians of all people everywhere on earth.

 I'm not so sure about the Christianity bit ,plenty of preachers bang on about all the killy bits in the old testament .I read the quran once ,a revised annotated edition .It was just a bunch of stream of consciousness nonsense that could be interpretated to suit .I thought the Tibetan book of the dead might be like one of those zombie horror flics but nahh more boredom . Like all religious mumbo jumbo .

There was no lie.....what rational person would produce a lie in front of the whole world....which they knew for sure would be exposed weeks later. What president would destroy his legacy by deliberately doing that. It was a massive intelligence blunder which became the basis for an ill advised policy.

There is no doubt it was a failure with  many knock on effects.  The wiser policy would have been to leave Hussein alone. But make no mistake he was a monster that gassed his own people. And ironically so many who are now against the Gulf War are now determined to remove Assad. The hypocrisy is palpable.


And Wardad, I'm not arguing this from a religious perspective....religion should be kept out of politics. But while there are agents of Christianity who may be culpable....the New Testament itself eschews violence.

Moz, it was a bare faced lie. He knew it. There was no intel blunder. The intel blunder was the Plan B cover story. This is well know. Since, you know Intel is Intel and it may or may not be wrong. Can't blame the camera man for his blurry pics ;) Also, remember 9/11 had zero to do with Saddam, yet his name was very quickly mentioned afterwerds. Had they wanted to save lives and overthrow dictators in the name of democracy, there were probably around six or seven other countries, with terrorist ties and dictators that they could have gone to. Instead they chose the one that would a) generate the most capital in terms of defence contracts due to geography and the scope of the war and b) have a mineral resource which they could sell off. Thus the story was fabricated. It's all about motive. I really recommend two books that will give you a good view into the human psyche as relates to the above. Freakanomics and Confessions of an Economic Hitman. I urge you to read those. One is a study on what humans get up to when there is an incentive and the other is about how the US, instead of using military to cause instability in a region, get slimy money men to infiltrate governments for highly nefarious purposes. The author gives a first hand account of his dealing with the Cia, and I guarantee you that once you read that book you will re-evaluate what little trust you have left in governments.

 Non senses are usually easy to destroy. People who perceive destruction usually do not shy from destroying what is easy to destroy. They usually look for soft targets to destroy.

Therefore claims about non sense are easy to check: when supposedly non senses go unchallenged, it means that the destroyers of humanity cant destroy what they tell to be nonsenses. That invalidates the claim of non sense as non senses are easy to destroy.

One non sense easy to destroy is the non sense that the new testament eschews violence.

The new testament is written in continuity to the old testament. What is valid in the old testament is valid in the new testament unless the new testament unvalids it.
The new testament does not reject the violence featured in the old testament.

It is a bit like writing a piece in two tomes: tome 1, the art of killing, tome 2, the art of gardening and later, claiming that the piece rejects killing because tome 2 is about gardening.

The case of christianity is worse though. One could tell that tome 2) the art of gardening can exist independently of tome 1) the art of killing.

The new testament, though, cant exist without the old testament. The new testament has no meaning by itself without the light of the old testament.

Christians cant dissociate themselves from anything written in the old unless the new  tell so. The new does not reject the violence in the old.

 The creationists trot the old testament out when it suits ,but talk about all the nasty sh!t in it and they say " no it doesnt count !" Religion is generally nasty and violent the quran more than most but plenty to share around .  I have'nt heard of too many B'hai Bombers though .....

 And you whowould delight in the murder of billions are not nasty.
Has thsi guy got half a brain cell left functioning!

Again the challenge to you warped DUD - read through the new testament and tell me what there is anything harmful to mankind. Look at Christ's sublime teachings and find fault. I challenge you to do this. Are you afraid for all your big ignorant talk or will you man up for once. Sounding your mouth off like a blabbering clown is not helping your cred. We are dealing with facts here -koran has 164 Jihad suras in it - telling its followers how to treat the infidel. Now go and look at Christs sublime teachings and see what you can tell us. If you cant do this this then best you pipe down.
Like in the evolution matter I have posted very substantive material but all you do is babble away and ignore it all. 
W hat a hapless bunch these atheists are. Head buried in the sand and soooo ignorant.

 Your a fu,cking cu.mquat brained half-wit you are .Try Luke 19-27 "but those mine enemies, which would not that I reign over them ,bring hither and slay before me "And then theres this Mathew 10-34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth ,I come not to send peace but a sword "Jesus doesnt look very farking peaceable there now does he ?Deuteronomy  17 in its long winded fashion advocates stoning for us non beleivers ,I havent rolled a spliff in a while but hey I can dig it .....ohhh its not that kind of stoning well then no thank ee .