"No beginning and no end."
Interesting but it goes against the natural order of life whether it be the birth or death of a star or anything and everything that exists as we know it. In my humble opinion I believe the Universe is all about rhythm and balance and that there forces in play which make it happen, forces that are way beyond our limited understanding. Also, the universe has order and part of that order is growth, survival, including beginnings and endings.
Science gives us an understanding, a limited understanding, the forces I mention is outside of science, it's the missing link which no-one knows or can explain. There's just too much we don't know and can't explain and yes science does help but it can't explain everything now or in the future. So I believe in the power of forces or a force far beyond our understanding, however much I value the role of science.
But back to your point about there being no beginning and an ending. In other words, you're saying everything has always been there and will always be there. If nothing else it goes against the grain of nature, sorry, try as may, I just can't get my head around it.
"He never said that. He explicitly said God is eternal and was never created"
Ok, so Beeno is saying that God has always just been there...….. that he has always just been hanging around waiting to decide what to do next...…. build this star...… now that star...… create this human...… build another planet
So God was never created, he has just always been in existence...…, he was never made, built or constructed in any way ……. and nothing ever came before God, because that was also just there...…..with or without a God...…
Got it
"You start with an eternal being or you start with nothing"
And you know this to be true and accurate... how Beeno?
Because he wants it to be true, no other reason. Don't worry about any facts just make up any old pile of horse shit that you want.
Anyone that believes in the Christian god has shit for brains. the whole bible is complete cobblers and there are people over the age of 5 believing it is true is just beyond comprehension,
Like Sam Harris said if just one person believed it they would lock him up in an asylum.
"Because he wants it to be true, no other reason. Don't worry about any facts just make up any old pile of horse shit that you want"
Fully agree with you Crusadersfan
And Beeno swears that the rest of humanity that does not agree with him on this are senile.....
So he calls everyone else nutjobs….. when it is extremely crystal clear.... who the actual nutjob is
"....and yet he still screwed up and gave us things like tooth-decay, flies, cancer and Baboon-ou.."
Fixed!
The only reason you don't know it is because of your weak ability to reason.
For the umpteenth time DA explain how a universe created itself out of nothing?
Beeno has this very foolish atheist cornered and he knows it dispute all his silly bluster.
Answer the question you nutjob.
Actually can any foolish atheist answer?
It's now years and still no answer. HAHAHAHAHAHA.
All these dopes have is empty bluster.
"For the umpteenth time Jihadi Beeno explain how God created himself out of nothing?"
"For the umpteenth time Jihadi Beeno explain how God created himself out of nothing?"
Beeno is a fake Christian, and he uses this universe question..... to justify his own sad and insecure beliefs...…. because if this staunch belief of his changes...….. then his whole so called religion that he clings to so dearly.... falls apart
He has been avoiding this question from Denny and others on here..... like the plague...…
He is eternal... no you don't understand..... you have no reasoning..... you have to be a true Christian to understand this...… you are a nutjob……. you are a plank...… non believers will never know...… yadda yadda yadda
Repeated answering that God is eternal to all these questions all the time Beeno...... is complete and utter horse shit...… a cop out........... an easy way to try and justify sweet fuck all...….....because that is 100% purely subjective, and if anyone disagrees...… take to the floor and prove me wrong
I have many many Christian friends, and I have seen many on this forum as well...…..and I have always fully respected and admired how they live their lives and voice their individual opinions, provided it does not insult or b elittle my own...…… and I have never..... ever...…. ever...…... come across one of them, that has the low mentality and reduced intellectual capacity of this so called board Christian.... Beeno……...if he is the true example of what a Christian is...…..then God help Christianity.
"Beeno is a fake Christian, and he uses this universe question..."
Glad I'm not the only one who knows he is fake. One other thing, the nutter sounds like a radical muslim covered in a different cloth.
Yeah Denny, you are spot on
Radical is being polite
And just before the slimeball rants and raves about me being an atheist, I confirm that I'm not and that I respect Christianity and it's sincere followers but I have scant respect for a fake, a phony and a stark raving lunatic who is a disgrace to the good faith.
Amen.
"Anyone that believes in the Christian god has shit for brains. the whole bible is complete cobblers and there are people over the age of 5 believing it is true is just beyond comprehension,"
Isaac Newton lived 300 years ago, but I would wager that he had a better grasp of how the universe works than most atheists have today. The father of modern science was a Christian.
There are many Christians over the age of 5, much smarter than you, who are still believers. Just because you can't understand something, does not make it illogical or stupid...your stance is arrogant and evidence of a closed mind. You have made up your mind and are closed it to any consideration of a different world view...the same thing you accuse Christians of doing.
"Just because you can't understand something, does not make it illogical or stupid"
For a second I could have sworn you were directing this to Beeno
I am sure you would agree that the shoe fits perfectly
"Isaac Newton lived 300 years ago, but I would wager that he had a better grasp of how the universe works than most atheists have today. The father of modern science was a Christian."
I agree with this
However
How do you or I know whether some 17 year old atheist, living on the back streets in the Ukraine, might in fact have a better understanding, and is far closer to the truth about how the universe works, than me, you, or Newton combined...…..
DA Perv is really quite a thick prick.
It's actually not too difficult for even those of moderate intelligence to understand. If there was always nothing we would today have nothing. But of course there wasn't always nothing there was the eternal God. You cannot have an infinite regression.
Now how about you atheist chumps explain how a universe created itself out of nothing. None of the atheists DARE even try to answer that.
Oh that horrid Beeno keeps asking this question just because we don't know the answer that proves how nasty he is. Sob Sob, Further Beeno proves he is not a Christian because he agrees with the Bible that we atheists are FOOLS. BOO HOO HOO Beeno is so nasty. Beeno can't be a Christian because he agrees with the Bible that homosexuality is wrong and that homosexuals won't go to Heaven. People who agree with the Bible's teaching can't be Christian. There we really caught Beeno this time. The pervs dry their eyes drink their hot chocolate and open their coloring in books.
Hahahahahaha. It's all too easy folks, Iike the demonrats suffering from TDS we have the atheists suffering from BDS!!! Bwhahahahahahahaha!
It's all all sooooooo funny! Watch these weirdoes cackle away but don't expect any answers from the chumps!
the whole bible is complete cobblers
There is actually a fair bit of verifiable history in there, but The Bible is not what most people think. For starters it is not a book, and was never intended to be one.
"How do you or I know whether some 17 year old atheist, living on the back streets in the Ukraine, might in fact have a better understanding, and is far closer to the truth about how the universe works, than me, you, or Newton combined...….. "
He might, and if he does, I would also wager that he doesn't call everyone that doesn't agree with him "shit for brains".
There are lots of people, more clever than anyone on this site, who are believers...as there are just as clever non believers. Calling others stupid is childish, even if it's true at times.
"DA Perv is really quite a thick prick."
Spoken like a true "Christian"
Draadtrekker,
300 years ago most people were religious, it was not long after getting out of the Dark Ages. If Newton lived today, I think like most scientists he would not be religious.
I see you are no longer using Einstein as a religious person, ever since you learnt that the religion you associate him with is called the atheist's religion...
"He might, and if he does, I would also wager that he doesn't call everyone that doesn't agree with him "shit for brains".
Agreed, however, maybe save some of your shock or admonishment for people like Beeno who states that people who don't support his way or opinion, would prefer babies to be raped or ripped from their mothers...… you are quite selective with your disdain sometimes Draad…….. and it happens far more often than you think, and more often than not...….. it is directed towards people who do not share your religion
Spoken like a true "Christian"
As I said Denny, God help Christianity
"If there was always nothing we would today have nothing. But of course there wasn't always nothing there was the eternal God"
Beeno, you really are one thick twat
I say again..... stop hiding behind your universe question..... and man up for once in your life
You cannot answer the question because it will destroy everything you believe in......
How do you know that your God is eternal...… just because you read it in a book?
Yeah..... that's all the proof you are ever going to need
Here is a very interesting article which came out yesterday about the universe, with some awesome graphics
And here...... travelling through dimensions and time
"I see you are no longer using Einstein as a religious person, ever since you learnt that the religion you associate him with is called the atheist's religion..."
I never said he was religious, bwcause I know he wasn't and I don't lie. He believed in a non-personal creator because his understanding of the cosmos convinced him that there had to be a creator.
"If Newton lived today, I think like most scientists he would not be religious. "
You can not know that. This was a man who thought out of the box, who refused to be blinded by herd mentality. He was also an alchemist...there were no modern chemistry back in the day...
Newton was a serious scholar of the Bible because he recognized that it was more than just a book. He was a serious eschatologist and was serious about unlocking the prophecies regarding the end times.
This was a thinker, implying that he would have followed the brainwashed herd of today is insulting to his great legacy.
"They spit on the agony!"
Interlect can be obtained by university, colleges and reading.
Wisdom however is obtained by the "university of life" and can only be acquired by the full course. A fool is a person that never learns, discerns or observes and discounts the higher beauties and mysteries of life.
Arguing with fools is a useless and fruitless exercise and lowers oneself to the same level.
Christians and atheists could both benefit from Jewish beliefs.
They welcome questions and debate over the interpretation of the their beliefs.
Whatever you believe, you are likely to understand it more deeply when you debate it objectively.
When you feel the need to insult, all it does is reveal insecurity. Jews aren't insecure in their faith.
Well Plum, lots of Jews aren't religious at all, but they still identify strongly with being "Jewish"...a total anomaly for a minor ethnic group to stick together like they do for thousands of years after being scattered to the wind.
Just as a side Plum. South Africans is an argumentative nation with various strong opinions, but we are a bit rude going about our differences....still we are used to different opinions...something not as common in other nations as one would like to think. I think that's the reason why we are so resilient, who knows?
Professor Paul van Tongeren on Nietzsche.
Men and women who often have a loveless relationship with a parent (or a peer) have tended to fight love with bitter opposition to that which they crave most and often turn against God. The deep tenderness is often replaced with a hardness of heart and cynicism. They close up where they are vulnerable and put on a self imposed shield and discount those which the inner soul of man that craves a relationship that is true, strong and reliable.
That has been my observation and sometimes it is not always apparent for those on the outside.
Nietzsche was an intelligent man who came from a Christian home where his father was a Lutheran pastor. As a young boy he loved God and craved a deep relationship with his father (who never showed love outwardly but nevertheless there was a strong bond) so much so that when his father died suddenly he blamed God and spent the rest of his life as anti God and wrote many books on his contaminated philosophy.
He died of insanity. When you oppose and blame God it is very dangerous…and even more so the hardness and bitterness takes hold.
The article
Nietzsche Contra God: A battle within
Wasting your breath trying to do God's work...Seb, we mean well, but it's not appreciated ...and we do much more harm than good...but it's too difficult to let go by.
There can be few more absurd things to follow that poor sharkboks attempts to understand Christianity!
What a bone head!
Are any of you snowflakes ever going to man up and tell me how a universe can create itself out of nothing. I know you dumbasses are really as dumb as rocks but surely you have had enough time to think of something.
HAHAHAHAHAHA the poor foolish atheists are done. How utterly silly they look!
Game set and match to Beeno!
Just as soon as you prove that your God is eternal Beeno
Be a good chap and just put this to bed once and for all...… in other words, as the title says... Man Up
According to you, nothing can be created from nothing, but your God just happens to be eternal so does not have the need to be created at any point in time...… because your God just always existed...… waiting for some point in time.... to create something with an awareness..... to know that he existed
Yeah... ok