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Compatibility of Science and Religion . . .

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Jan 2019, 10:48
#121
29 Jan 2019, 10:48#121
Here is a very good question asked by Friedrich Nietzsche:
"Is Man one of God's blunders or is God one of Man's blunders?"
One of those has to be true. I'm definitely with the latter.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Jan 2019, 11:08
#122
29 Jan 2019, 11:08#122
More quotes from Nietzsche that are relevant to the topic:
"The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad"

"All sciences are now under the obligation to prepare the ground for the future task of the philosopher, which is to solve the problem of value, to determine the true hierarchy of values."

"In Christianity, neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point."

"Morality is the herd-instinct in the individual"
"Extreme positions are not succeeded by moderate ones, but by contrary extreme positions."
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Jan 2019, 11:55
#123
30 Jan 2019, 11:55#123

Science has now very reluctantly proved the existence of God. The religion that is definitely not compatible with science is atheism.which has become an irrational dogma that is a laughing stock!

Fancy thinking the Universe created itself out of nothing. Bwahahahahahahahahahahha oh my aching sides! That is why God so correctly calls them FOOLS.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
30 Jan 2019, 12:09
#124
30 Jan 2019, 12:09#124

This is purely a guess...…. but I'm guessing that this science that you are referring to here, is the exact same science that is constantly proven wrong, time after time

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Jan 2019, 12:42
#125
30 Jan 2019, 12:42#125
Baboon-ou, I realise what I'm about to say will not penetrate the immensely thick bone matter that surrounds your puny little brain but I'm going to say it anyway . . .
Firstly, science has proved nothing of the sort. The whole point of this thread is to show that the study of nature (science) cannot be used to prove or disprove the supernatural (god) and vice versa . . . but that very elementary and basic premise seems to have flown high over your flat sloping forehead.
Secondly, atheism is not a religion, it's the absence of religion.
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
30 Jan 2019, 13:25
#126
30 Jan 2019, 13:25#126

"The whole point of this thread is to show that the study of nature (science) cannot be used to prove or disprove the supernatural (god) and vice versa"

What a bullshit statement to make !

You state this as fact and say this only because this is the only thing you know...… and were taught..... period

You have no proof whatsoever at all, that science could not now, nor one day in the future, assist humans, in confirming this stupid theory of yours or anyone else's...…... you are merely surmising what you have read, seen and been taught, by a person or a book.

If you have the proof..... post it here now, or rather just shut up Piss Mint


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Jan 2019, 14:31
#127
30 Jan 2019, 14:31#127
Goodness me, how stupid is this imbecile? 
Does someone else want to tell him to read the OP because if I do it'll just lead to a lot more melodrama and foot-stamping.
LMAO!
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
30 Jan 2019, 14:46
#128
30 Jan 2019, 14:46#128

Oh you stupid twat

I don't care what is posted where and when, I am replying to your statement in your post above


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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
30 Jan 2019, 14:48
#129
30 Jan 2019, 14:48#129
Beeno1

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Jan 30, 2019, 11:55

That is why God so correctly calls them FOOLS.


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A favourite line of a happy-clappy Christian is to quote God calling people Fools. It must be amazing to have God on your side in an argument. . God said this, and God said that. Self delusion my friend is when you start to confuse your own opinion with a God.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Jan 2019, 14:51
#130
30 Jan 2019, 14:51#130
God thinks I'm a fool? Ummmm . . . doesn't that reflect on him?
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
30 Jan 2019, 16:27
#131
30 Jan 2019, 16:27#131

A favourite line of a happy-clappy Christian is to quote God calling people Fools. It must be amazing to have God on your side in an argument.  . God said this, and God said that. Self delusion my friend is when you start to confuse your own opinion with a God.

Well said Sharkie

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
30 Jan 2019, 16:30
#132
30 Jan 2019, 16:30#132

"God thinks I'm a fool? Ummmm . . . doesn't that reflect on him?"

In hindsight, yes...… but in y our specific case, no, not at all...… it just means that he agrees with all the other posters on this forum

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Jan 2019, 16:45
#133
30 Jan 2019, 16:45#133

Well, it was actually David's line.

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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
30 Jan 2019, 19:21
#134
30 Jan 2019, 19:21#134
David was a fool, if he actually existed. 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Jan 2019, 19:28
#135
30 Jan 2019, 19:28#135

Well, I'm sure Goliath will be happy to have been killed by a fool.

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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
30 Jan 2019, 19:34
#136
30 Jan 2019, 19:34#136

David cheated and used a cattie (catapult) weapon, or was a slingshot bolas style of a contraption.  A bit like using a gun. Does it really matter how big someone is if you use a gun? 

Goliath was also not exactly the smartest pencil in the box - if he even existed. 

Interestingly David is also a character in the Koran, showing that Christianity and Islam are originally cut from the same cloth. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Jan 2019, 20:01
#137
30 Jan 2019, 20:01#137

Wait....

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Jan 2019, 20:01
#138
30 Jan 2019, 20:01#138
...for it.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Jan 2019, 20:01
#139
30 Jan 2019, 20:01#139

No, it's not cut from the same cloth...it's got two different perspectives of the same events.

I have my beliefs and if by some odd event, someone can proof to me 100% that there is no God...or afterlife or Hell, or whatever, I will still strive to live by the same Christian principles. It's got a Natural Order to it. You can mock it all you want and you can ridicule things till the cows comes home, it won't make you right or me wrong. It reflects on something much deeper and that is something you lot does not seem to be able to grasp. It ties into the second law of thermo dynamics and a certain Mr. Fibonacci's constant too. Einstein got it, but you lot seems to know better somehow.

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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
31 Jan 2019, 00:19
#140
31 Jan 2019, 00:19#140


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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
31 Jan 2019, 05:38
#141
31 Jan 2019, 05:38#141

kumbaye Woosh

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Jan 2019, 08:29
#142
31 Jan 2019, 08:29#142
"Interestingly David is also a character in the Koran, showing that Christianity and Islam are originally cut from the same cloth."
Not just David . . . so was Adam (Adam), Noah (Nuh), Moses (Musa). Aaron (Harun), Enoch (Idris), Abraham (Ibrahim), Lot (Lut), Ishmael (Ismail), Isaac (Ishaq), Jacob (Yaqub), Joseph (Yusuf), Job (Ayyub), Solomon (Suleiman), Elijah (Ilyas), Jonah (Yunus) and pretty much anyone else you can think of from the Old Testament. They are all part of Islam and Judaism as well as Christianity.
Same book, different spin. 
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 Jan 2019, 09:03
#143
31 Jan 2019, 09:03#143

"You can mock it all you want and you can ridicule things till the cows comes home, it won't make you right or me wrong"

"that is something you lot does not seem to be able to grasp"

"Einstein got it, but you lot seems to know better somehow"

Ok Db, so according to you, you can't be right and we can't be wrong, but according your post above "Our lot" are clearly wrong and you are correct, because "Our lot" cannot grasp it, and we know better than Einstein...…

And yet you want to bring up the mocking and ridiculing of others

Oooook

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 Jan 2019, 09:11
#144
31 Jan 2019, 09:11#144

On a more interesting note, here are a few basic things that, until now, science has still not been able to explain.

Why people yawn

Why the Chorioactis geaster mushroom still only grows in Texas and Japan and nowhere else

Why Saturn's north pole has a swirling, hexagon shaped storm

Why humpback whales have gone from being solitary creatures to living in super groups

Why the trees are curved in the "Dancing Forest" in Russia

Why dark matter is not like regular matter

Scientists understand how cats purr, but they still have no idea why they do this

Why and how the "Patom" crater in Siberia was created

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Jan 2019, 10:35
#145
31 Jan 2019, 10:35#145

DA, apologies for the "you lot" remark...and sorry if you felt mocked or ridiculed by it. It was an irritable response not aimed at Atheists in general.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Jan 2019, 10:38
#146
31 Jan 2019, 10:38#146
Well we know at least one person that God doesn't consider to be a fool . . . Bozo BLOTUS the Caveman.
According to Sarah Sanders, God wants Trump to be president
At the risk of being struck down by lightning or something like that, I have to say that if God is a Trumpanzee then he's the one sounding like a fool.  
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
31 Jan 2019, 10:51
#147
31 Jan 2019, 10:51#147
I don't see a reason for you to apologise for saying "you lot" Db. There are two basic groups on the board with regards to religion. Those that are religious, and those that aren't. In other words, two "lots" that basically speak from the same song sheet. I don't get why people are so bloody sensitive about being placed in a grouping with similarly minded people. People are just too bloody sensitive in general. 
I assume DA took offense at what you had to say about his line of thought, more than who else shared that line of thought with him. At least I hope that's what he meant.  
The world has just become so bloody sensitive about everything. The older generations bitch about how soft the millennial's are, but it seems everyone is soft at the moment. I think maybe the world needs a new world war so that everyone can man the fark up, and realise how lekker life actually is right now....especially for us in the middle and upper classes. 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Jan 2019, 11:09
#148
31 Jan 2019, 11:09#148
DumbAss takes offence at everything. It's never taken much to get him stamping his little foot in self-righteous indignation and demanding apologies from everyone.
The fact that's he's also painfully stupid doesn't really help either.
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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
31 Jan 2019, 12:49
#149
31 Jan 2019, 12:49#149
Somehow Einstein has now been grouped with the happy Clappies.... The same Einstein who referred to religious activity as a childish pastime. - and that also said that the idea one group of people could be Gods chosen people is ludicrous. . Did God say Einstein is also a fool...
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 Jan 2019, 13:26
#150
31 Jan 2019, 13:26#150

I assume DA took offense at what you had to say about his line of thought, more than who else shared that line of thought with him. At least I hope that's what he meant. 

Never assume blue...… and no, I am not bloody sensitive, I merely pointed something out to Db

Where did I take any offense at all here.....?

You are waaaaay to quick to judge others blue...….

As for the apology, Db did not need to apologise at all, and no, I was not offended in anyway.

I merely pointed out the utter hypocrisy of his post, and quite frankly, I am surprised that you all missed it, except for Piss Mint, because he misses everything, except for his next fix or dop. 

Sheeeesh people, calm down

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 Jan 2019, 13:40
#151
31 Jan 2019, 13:40#151

Just to make it daylight clear for posters on here like Piss Mint who are just plain stupid....and lack that next level of intelligence...… that the rest on this forum enjoy on a daily basis

Don't state in a post that ridiculing and mocking other people's opinion will not make me or you correct, but then say in that very same post...…. that "you lot" cannot grasp this particular concept, or that "you lot" are going against what Einstein's theory was...… in other words mocking or ridiculing that specific group of people's opinions and implying that they are in fact all incorrect

Hope that clears it all up

Piss Mint, send me a PM and I will draw and send you a detailed picture

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Jan 2019, 13:48
#152
31 Jan 2019, 13:48#152
Uh-oh . . . the hand is on the hip, the eyes are starting to pop, the foot is starting to stamp and the pointing finger is trembling with indignation . . . DumbAss has taken offence at something again . . . 
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 Jan 2019, 13:53
#153
31 Jan 2019, 13:53#153

"DumbAss takes offence at everything. It's never taken much to get him stamping his little foot in self-righteous indignation and demanding apologies from everyone."

This is from the very same poster who only responds to many of the forum posters posts on here with insults, calling them dumb, stupid, ignorant...… Beeno, Db, Moz, CupCake, Mike, Me…… too many to mention here. 

The same poster who called to ban another new poster on here just for fun, because he couldn't wait to use this new power he was given by the moderator.

Oh yes, the very same poster that was conclusively proven so many times to be a compulsive and blatant barefaced liar on here, even this week, professing to never have boasted about his chess prowess......

The same poster who blames someone else for "apparently" using drugs, yet he himself has previously confessed to being a drug user before

Yep, the same poster who jumped ship and told every poster on here to fuck off

A real gem of a guy

LMAO, yep, I think we all know who the self-righteous and stupid poster is

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
31 Jan 2019, 14:11
#154
31 Jan 2019, 14:11#154
DA, I think you missed my point. I said Db didn't need to apologise. You agreed with me. I said I didn't think you were offended (maybe the wrong word, but you did get defensive) by being grouped with other atheists. You agreed with me. Lastly, I never said you were sensitive. It was more a general statement about people these days. Db feeling the need to apologise is confirmation of this view. All I did was point out that it was not necessary. Basically, you and I, we are in agreement.   
I reckon that clears things up. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Jan 2019, 14:15
#155
31 Jan 2019, 14:15#155
"I reckon that clears things up. "
Good luck with that, bluebok.
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 Jan 2019, 14:19
#156
31 Jan 2019, 14:19#156

Not offended by anything at all that Db posted

Not defensive at all about being grouped with any atheists....

I did however point out what I believed to be a very hypocritical post.... simple

I really don't see how this is now about me being offended or defensive about anything at all...…….. it was me pointing out the irony or hypocritical aspect of that post

LMAO...…  fuck me, things get twisted around here so quickly

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 Jan 2019, 14:22
#157
31 Jan 2019, 14:22#157

So Piss Mint

Do you still staunchly maintain that you have never ever openly bragged about your chess prowess on this forum..... and even boasted how you would kick another posters ass at chess?

You made this very bold claim earlier this week .... not me

Care to respond

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Jan 2019, 14:31
#158
31 Jan 2019, 14:31#158

an 31, 2019, 12:49

1. Somehow Einstein has now been grouped with the happy Clappies.... 

2. The same Einstein who referred to religious activity as a childish pastime. - and that also said that the idea one group of people could be Gods chosen people is ludicrous. .

3.  Did God say Einstein is also a fool...

1. Nope, I did not group him with the happy clappies. I was referring to his opinion that the order in the universe cannot be by pure chance. 

2. Yes the same one. I'm well aware of his views on organised religion.

3. God did not say anything of the kind, but Einstein called one of his own mistakes the biggest blunder of his life...well according to some anyway.




DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Jan 2019, 14:53
#159
31 Jan 2019, 14:53#159

"I merely pointed out the utter hypocrisy of his post, and quite frankly, I am surprised that you all missed it, "  (Well I didn't miss it, as is clear from the second part of my apology )

Don't state in a post that ridiculing and mocking other people's opinion will not make me or you correct, but then say in that very same post...…. that "you lot" cannot grasp this particular concept, or that "you lot" are going against what Einstein's theory was...… in other words mocking or ridiculing that specific group of people's opinions and implying that they are in fact all incorrect

Hope that clears it all up"

Well, I can understand that you came to that conclusion, but my intention was not to imply that anyone is stupid for not coming to the same conclusions as I do. This is not about being stupid, it's about a choice an individual make in what context he or she wan'ts to view the world.


PS: A case for mild hypocrisy can be made, utter hypocrisy is pushing it a bit. 





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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Jan 2019, 15:02
#160
31 Jan 2019, 15:02#160

I think it was God calling people fools. Don't think it was any of us . . . well, apart from DumbAss of course . . . but it was God who started off calling people fools.

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