Compatibility of Science and Religion . . .

OK, got it.

As I understand it, CC believes in God, but does not like Him much....for the same reasons you don't want to believe in a God...which is quite rational (by both of you).  Logic applied by both, different conclusion? I suspect that most people's un-belief start out because of the perceived unfairness of it all. 

PS, you get the free will thing wrong. It does not try to justify anything. It means that it's your choice to follow God or not. He will not force worship. How does that justify Hitler? What am I missing here?

PS, so EVERYTHING is just chance? All the order in the universe...the periodic table,  the laws of physics, the logic in everything, pure chance over 13 billion years?..nothing more? And when the lights go out, nothing, no Higher Purpose,  no Right and no Wrong, just: "It is what it is, deal with it!"? How sad? So why was it wrong for Hitler to kill millions? We are all animals in the end?

I don't think I want to live in that world...it sucks.

Well Dradd we are animals, I thought that fact was obvious. We are no different to any other life form on this planet and we are all related if you go back far enough.

Why does there need to be a higher purpose for us, is it not possible that this life is your purpose? 

There is right and wrong in this world but these things are decided by people not a god. And no not everyone pays for the bad they do but no one said life had to be fair.

Is there a higher purpose for all living creatures, when you get to your heaven are there other animals there or just people. If not why are people the only ones given an after life?

As to how the Universe came into being and how it all works, nobody knows but just making up stuff is not the answer. I dont understand how you cannot accept a natural answer to everything that at least has some supporting evidence for some of the theories put forward but accept an idea of something far more complex with no evidence at all to support it. 

"PS, you get the free will thing wrong. It does not try to justify anything. It means that it's your choice to follow God or not"

Oh I see, so I automatically have it all wrong and not you?

Ok, simple question then...….where does a baby go when it dies, Heaven or Hell?.........because we both know that it never had the consciousness to decide if it follows a God or not?

"So why was it wrong for Hitler to kill millions? We are all animals in the end?"

So the next little girl that gets viciously raped by a human animal is also just a  7 year old animal, so all good with the world?

"So why was it wrong for Hitler to kill millions? We are all animals in the end?"

Exactly my point. We aren't just animals. There is something wrong. With doing evil deeds.

As for babies going to Heaven and Hell? I don't know, but according to Christian dogma, humens are not suppose to judge. That would be Jesus at the second coming...and if Hi s life is anything to go by, I wouldn't be too worried about the little children going to hell.

there is something wrong with doing evil deeds?  Really, you need to read the bible to learn that?

Is hanging your own son not an evil deed?  

The Romens crucified Jusus.

A little girl was once diagnosed with a very rare disease called ROHHAD, which affects weight gain, body temperature, hunger and even breathing.

So far, only 75 people in the entire world have been diagnosed with this disease.

She later developed tumors and had to have a pacemaker put in as well, when she was 10 years, but she did survive.

What makes this very interesting, is that she has an identical twin, with the exact same DNA....who was not afflicted in any way, with this disease, at all.

Who made what decision, to decide which of these twins, got this disease, and not the other?

Devine intervention?

Luck of the draw?

The uncertainties of life?

A sinner in a previous life?

Natural order of life?

Too many unanswered questions...…. but at the same time, how is it just?

Who is to say that people who experience hardships in this life right now, were not maybe very bad people at some other previous time or in a previous life, and that this is their punishment now, in this life, for that past behavior or actions?

Nothing comes from nothing, so there must be a creator of some sort..... you cannot just magically materialize out of nothing like some "Big Bang" and end up on some very remote planet in this universe, amongst billions of stars and planets...... and learn how to survive and evolve to become a thinking and constantly updating species.

Too many unanswered questions......

Hi Blue. Putting aside  the idea of a personal God for a moment. If you look at the size of the universe, then matter is a very small part of that...and if you look at the laws of physics and gravity, it need to be very specific for it to allow for the universe to exist in the first place, never mind the existence of a little blue planet with life on it.

And then there is this little thing, called thermodynamics that needs getting around. If the universe did not exist like it is now for eternity, science starts to have difficulty explaining the apparent order.  

"The second law of thermodynamics says that when energy changes from one form to another form, or matter moves freely, entropy (disorder) in a closed system increases. Differences in temperature, pressure, and density tend to even out horizontally after a while."

We should strive to understand creation, without God, but at the same time we should not try to explain God away.

Surely the universe is not infinite?

Do you ever get to the point in the universe, where you cannot go any further?

What triggered the beginning of everything, and if that was triggered by something like a God or a creator, where did that God or creator originally come from, and so on and so on?

A god or creator cannot have always just existed, it is impossible, it had to have materialized or been produced by some being, and if that is the case, then what created the being that preceded that one?

DumbAss missing the entire point of this thread . . . surprise surprise!

Very interesting perspective blue...….. food for thought indeed

At least when you post something, it is not to just try and insult someone or score some silly little noddy points in front of your fellow posters like Piss Mint does.

I am open to any kind of discussion and point of view, but not with idiots like Piss Mint, because history has shown, it is his view or no view at all , because only his view is a matter of fact correct in his eyes.

His poor family must go through hell with this moron

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only ...

Science is the study of nature. Religion is the study or belief of the supernatural. Don't use one to try to prove or disprove the other.

You only say this because this is what you have been taught from a very young age, and you don't know any different.

If you were raised and told that these were collectively together, you would never know the difference at all, and don't tell me you would, because then you are bullshitting everyone.

Everything that you believe and don't believe in your life has been created by man...… it is all man made........and nobody else.... dictionaries, tv shows, bible, magazines, documentaries.....etc etc

You have absolutely no idea at all, nor do you have any proof whatsoever, that they cannot be used to prove or disprove each other, because that is what you have been taught and learnt.

You only know what you have been taught by a human being, from a text book, generation after generation

That pales in comparison to what we don't know at all, and might never know about what exists out there.

But you carry on and beat that little drum of yours and call everyone else stupid except you.

I don't and never have accepted things as fact, so whilst you might not agree with that, that still does not make you correct and me wrong, and if it does, then provide the verified proof in this thread.

Uh-oh . . . I seem to have set DumbAss off on one of his self-pitying and sanctimonious tirades again. Sorry everyone.

Next time he clearly misunderstands the purpose of a thread I'll just shut up.

So in other words, you cannot prove I am incorrect and that you are correct.....just as I expected.....what a sorry excuse you really are.

Just like all the Trump shit you post...… you will never see any reason on a topic, if that person's point of view on that particular topic does not agree with your own...… you are quite pathetic

That is what makes you sooooo different to the other posters on here Piss Mint, because they at least can take in another point of view without being overly dismissive or outright rude because it does not line up with their own beliefs, like you do everyday on here.

Spot on, some tend to judge Christianity harsh, because they look at it with modern time glasses.  Back when it all started, it was unheard of radical concepts that changed the world for the better. It got corrupted along the way, but it cleansed itself a few centuries ago...and will again. Dismissing it as inconsequential superstition is plain ignorant shortsightedness ...is there even such a word?

Well, if you look at the evidence at hand. Where would you rather live? The Western World, shaped by Christianity, or China, Japan, Korea,Vietnam, India, the Middle East? I agree that some mistakes were made, but it wasn't all bad and most of the alternatives were worse.

And it's not the religion that creates the conflict, people causes conflict, religion is just a tool to try to justify it.

Democracy and capitalism were invented by the ancient Greeks, not Christianity. The ancient Greeks contributed more to Western civilisation than Christianity. 

If you are going to talk about evidence- try looking at the facts.  Christianity became popular around 300AD, and shortly thereafter cultural decline happened- i.e- the Dark ages

""

Dark Past of the Middle Ages. The ancient Greek and Roman civilizations were remarkably advanced for their time. ... The Middle Ages are often said to be dark because of a supposed lack of scientific and cultural advancement. During this time, feudalism was the dominant political system.7 Sep 2015""

Migration period | European history | Britannica.com

https://www.britannica.com/event/Dark-Ages

So why are you living in England and not rather Japan?

PS, Europe only became democratic about a hundred years ago. Democracy has got nothing to do with it and is probably making our society worse in some regards.

I would rather live in a democratic country like England or America etc, counties that have systems based on the ancient Greeks. 

Democracy is good, except in third world countries where there is not a majority middle class. What other systems have been better than Democracy. 

Feudalism, communism, socialism are all worse. Perhaps the most defining characteristic of the West is democracy and capitalism.

One thing though is the Eastern World is catching up with the West. Capitalism is taking off all over the world, albeit it is mixed with different political systems.

When I say other religions- I mean religions that are western - before Christianity. 

Duh-huh!!!?? So if it wasn't for the language barrier, you would prefer Jap or China?...Funny, I always took you for a Thailand kinda guy...regardless of the language barrier. 

Nope, that's not what I'm implying at all. I'm saying the West turned out a fantastic place to live in and that Christianity played a major part in shaping it. You and Shark are saying it didn't...or somehow made things worse....I'm saying the countries without Christian history aren't doing much better....

PS, the obvious language barrier isn't too much of a deterrent keeping people from coming to the Western World...warts and all.

The assumption you are making is Christianity has made more of an impact than the Ancient Greeks and Romans.

If Christianity never happened the West may have been another thousand years ahead. 

You also seem to talk down China and the East. 

Their economies of the East have the highest GDP- much higher than the West. They have also been through their troubles with communism etc- but they are on an upward curve. As modernisation happens, things we associated with the West - are becoming standard in more places (not a Beeno Globalist conspiracy though). The standard of life is getting much better in these countries- as capitalism grows in these economies. This has nothing to do with the religion of the East- it is capitalism and modern values. If these countries were becoming Christian and growing- then there could be a link but that is not the case.

They certainly have more of a future than Africa. Their middle class is growing- whereas in Africa the have-not majority is growing.

1. I don't talj down The East, I just prefer the West.
2. The ancient Greeks and the Romans were part and parcel of our history...just like Christianity....I'm not the one discounting that, you are the one marginalizing Christianity.  And China and Japan and some others did not have Christianity and they are not a 1000 years ahead of us. Japan and China afe cool, bit IMO the West are better and the west had Christianity and they did not. Could the west have done better without Christianity? Maybe,  but we would never know. What we do know is that what we did have lead to the pinnacle of human endeavour . .Christianity and all. Deal with it. It is what it is.

Evangelical??? Whoosh!!!

Japan

UK

New Zealand

France

Australia

Glad to see that even at your age now Piss Mint, you know that you would have to spread your bets on which country would actually allow a twat like you, to live amongst their own.

LMFAO