Compatibility of Science and Religion . . .

"so anyone saying that the dinosaurs died because "they could not adapt fast enough" is a blithering idiot who is best ignored . . . almost as stupid as the fool who thinks all life was wiped out and had to start all over again."

I see, so you can provide conclusive factual proof that this happened 75 million years ago, and that only 70 - 80 percent of life on earth was destroyed..... please, post this proof, or is it just another website or science article that is providing these stats to you...… again, this is something you have been taught from a very young age, from a teacher, book, or tv show.....so you know no different at all

Don't tell me the crater is there for all to see, it's means fuck all...… it's one of many craters.

"Anyway, something did suddenly put an end to almost all large creatures almost instantly, and even if it wasn't an asteroid, which it almost certainly was, there still obviously wasn't enough time for large creatures to evolve in order to survive. Adapting and evolving are two massively different things."

I don't agree blue, some are saying that it could have taken over 11 000 years or more for these species to become extinct due to many other reasons, so why do you say it happened almost instantly?

Nobody on this planet can conclusively prove what happened 500 000 years ago, never mind 65 million years ago...… they are interesting theories, but that it where it ends

"The asteroid or comet that caused the K-T mass-extinction event destroyed between 70 and 80% of all plant and animal species on earth. Anything within about 1000 km of the impact site would have been killed immediately by the fireball and anything within a further 10 000 km would have been killed within minutes by the shockwaves or suffered 3rd degree burns"

LMAO, you talk here like you had a front row seat...…

First it was a asteroid 5km wide, then 6km, then it had to be 7km wide, then 8km, then 9km, then between 10km and 12km with 10 billions times the power of the Hiroshima bomb...….

Piss Mint, the difference between you and I on this particular topic is that you cannot for any reason whatsoever even consider someone else's opinion or idea on this topic.... you are right and that is it, period.

That just displays how self opinionated you are, and how self obsessed you are with yourself.

I will gladly take on all ideas and opinions on this, but I might not agree with them all, but I don't go around calling everyone stupid because their ideas don't fall in line with mine

Pathetic

Blue, the meteor hitting Earth is the most plausible scenario ATM. I am well aware of that theory and don't dispute it. Now, tell me, why did most of the life we know of today survive that? Is that not an extreme form of natural selection? There was some luck involved, but that event is probably the reason we as humans are here today. 

I know it's wasn't the run of the mill small changes over eons, but natural selection all the same.  They (dinosaurs)  were top of the food chain and extinct in a wink of an eye.

If we humans encounter a drastic change suddenly, even our "clever" species won't be able to ajust in time...hence the fear mongering over climate change.

ATM we as humans make decisions about our survival based on things that are not necessarily in our best interest. 

Aag damn Rooi, I know that. The fact is that all the species alive today were able to adapt to the changes in the environment , the extinct species not. It doesn't matter if it was sudden changes or gradual. Natural sellection. Survival of the fittest, evolution,  call it what you want.

Whoosh!!!

It was not a case of adaptation (evolution) - 

Cirrect, they couldn't addapt, so they all died....Natural sellection at work.

Feb 07, 2019, 07:01

Draad. I don't want to sound condescending, but I really don't think you understand how evolution works. The fact is, basically none of the animals alive today survived the asteroid (or whatever the extinction event was), because at that time they didn't even exist. (I understand that and never disputed that). that,(that's why the fossils disovered from that period are of animals that no longer exist, and there have been no fossils from that era of animals that are alive today. The animals alive today evolved from those tiny asteroid survivors.  (That's my point. If the dinosaurs did not get wiped out, humans (and the rest of life as we know it) would probably not have evolved from what whatever species were left after the ELE. 

I believe This caused sthe confusion:

" Now, tell me, why did most of the life we know of today survive that?" (I do not mean that they existed in the form we know them today)"  All the species that survived the ELE had to adapt quickly to a vastly different planet in a very small time frame. Those species that couldn't went extinct...call it natural un-selection. After that sudden change in environment, Earth changed back to a "more normal" atmosphere and all the survivors gradually evolved to keep tread with the changing times.

Who is the YEC on this thread?

"Any life that survived would be a small life that could go underground etc.

Admittedly havent read all the posts on here but would obviously like to add my opinion.

This debate should always start as follows for me...

Are science and religion necessarily two opposing forces?

Anyone that creates a program has to do so within a construct. That construct will provide for the interpretation of code as well as providing a space for that interpretation to play out. 

The universe/multiverse could easily be the construct that God created to allow for the playing out of his code.

Evolution could easily be the software that God chose to allow for a continuous spawning of life as opposed to each organism having to be manufactured.

Studying biology, cosmology, mathematics and other fields in no way precludes God or goes against creationism. 

Saying it's either the big bang or God suggests that God could not have caused the big bang.

Again, the big bang may have been a tool, or it may be a spontaneous event.

God and science are only at odds with each other in man's tribal mind. 

The same way that medical research was considered heresy in the dark ages. 

Believe it or not, we're still somewhere on that continuim.

The second point for me is always...

A creator doesn't prove God.

Quite simple really. We might be a simulation. We might exist in a place that was created by an organism, a program or some other entity or technology that we don't have a name for.

Let's assume that we find out the universe was 100% designed by an intelligence.

Is that intelligence necessarily a "God"?

We'll create AI soon. In a few generations you'll be able enter a virtual environment filled with artificially intelligent  beings. Beings that have identical counterparts in other copies of the game, movie or story. They will be endowed with original emotions, intelligence, aspirations and so on. They will have free will and the ability to learn, limited  only by their environment and not by their cognition.

Still, they will have been created by us. 

Does that make us their Gods and does it give us the right to torture them for eternity if they don't behave as we please?

No. Obviously not.

"Your children are not YOUR children. They are the sons and daughters of life's longing for itself."

My personal belief is that we probably live inside of a created universe. 

Maybe God created it. Maybe it was IBM. Maybe we're a primary school science project playing out in one afternoon but with the time dilation dial set to max. He'll the poor kid that made us might even fail on the basis of a chaos imbalance in his design. We might be property. This could be one of thousands/millions/billions/trillions of chicken farms.

Regardless. I'm gonna live my own way and certainly not croak with a full set of balls .

Rooi

Not sure if you know about this.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2018/11/14/greenland-crater-discovered-cause-younger-dryas/#.XF6DzFOxU0M

Suddenly we have a valid explanation for all the flood myths.

Also explains why so many ancient ruins seem to have taken damage from the same direction.

Bloody interesting.

Gee that looks like an interesting site Plum...thanks for the link.

Plum I was reading about that recently, it was first spotted from space. It has only recently been confirmed to be an asteroid/meteor. 

It is believed to have been pure iron, something like a square mile that hit the earth at like 30,000 miles per hour. 

Not as big as the one 65 million years ago in Mexico, but it may have been possible for wiping out species- as it is believed a significant amount went extinct around this time.

This event has raised questions that getting hit by Asteroids and Meteors are much more common than previously believed. 

Some other recent events have also raised questions like the Sphynx may be much older than originally believed- and not actually built by the Egyptians. With this in mind, human civilisation might be much older than originally believed. Recently a civilisation was found that is was over 20,000 years old, unlike the 10,000 years when man first started to farm and build towns. 

There is some speculation that a meteor/asteroid may have wiped out a previously developed advanced civilisation linked - but there is little evidence other than perhaps the Spyhnx. The pyramids themselves are also pretty confusing as there are built at certain points over the world aligned to the stars and the earth radius. 

A recent study found that man was very close to extinction about 50,000 years ago, with something like 10,000 people around the whole world. 

Shark

Have you seen the comparative map of heart's sea levels?

Apparently over a very short period of time(days) the sea level rose about 250 feet, about 12000 years ago.

From Alaska to Eastern Russia there was a continent sized area filled with animals that was instantly covered.

Probably why they're finding and will continue to find so many submerged towns and structures around the world.

Also don't know if you've ever seen the old stone ruins around the Nelspruit area. There are literally thousands(Edit Millions) of them. Some still exposed and others covered by vegetation. 

Most of those structures are circular yet have no doors or windows. It's claimed they were cattle enclosures. 

Was in the area for weekend some years ago and found some of the structures on Google earth. When there to check them out. 

Here's the strange thing. The flat rocks they're made from make a high pitched pinging sound when you hit them. 

There are some crazy theories about those sites. On the same trip I also visited a site called Adam's Calendar. It sits on the edge of the Barbeton impact crator. The rock formations line up with the equinoxes and solstices as they were...180000 years ago.

Considering the amount of rocks all these structures comprise, it points to, at the very least, that area having a much greater population for a much longer period of time, much further back in history than what current thinking would suggest.

If you've not heard about this before you might find it interesting to research the stone circles in Mapumalanga.

Apologies for the typos above. I tried to edit but the edit func tion seems to not be available.

Aaah that's better

Rooi

I just thought that the rocks appeared to have a high metal content so took another rocked and banged on them. Hadn't seen or heard of anyone doing it before. 

I have a video of it actually. Will see if can post it to youtube and will post a link. 

It's amazing how many of those ruins you can see on Google earth. They're literally everywhere there.

And just to make that weekend even weirder, I met Michael Tellinger's wife and son at Old Joe's Kaya(where we stayed for the weekend).