Draad
I have nothing more to say, never believed this to be the right platform to have a debate on a deeply involved subject and I really have no stomach for volumes of quotes from the holy book in a rugby forum.
Hope to touch base with you if possible when I visit my spiritual home in the distant future.
Beenkop is that your best shot at material evidence that God exists......you keep babbling bud, it makes about as much impression as a fish out of water.
A 3 year old child is more convincing than you with your pathetic baseless quotes
Let's see here
A simple a..n..a..l..y..s..i.. s
On the one hand we have a just god, and then on the other hand, listed below, mass murderers
Mao Zedong - responsible for the murder of 60 million people
Joseph Stalin - responsible for the murder of 40 million people
Adolf Hitler - responsible for the murder of 30 million people
I can easily name another 30 individuals.
So, if these three individuals alone, ask for forgiveness just before they leave this fantastic planet, and take Jesus into their hearts, they will be allowed into heaven, provided they make the change.
Do whatever disgusting acts you want to while you are alive, but ask for forgiveness and let him into your heart and all is good with the world.
"And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned"
"Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
"You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him"
"Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
What a very just god that is......
Here is an interesting read
Quite funny actually.... but still a very interesting perspective
The reality of God is beyond most simply because they’ve
never experienced Him.
Most want to see … or hear … or feel Him before they’ll
acknowledge His existence.
They don’t … and so therefore He doesn’t exist.
The mere fact that they can’t put Him in a bottle and slap
a label on it is sufficient cause for rejection. His existence cannot be explained.
That leaves them with a problem. How do they explain the
existence of everything around them?
Where did it all come from? The intricate workings of a
brain or the design of an ecosystem ... love ... hate ... time ... getting older … death
… what lies in wait beyond the grave??
They fabricate horse shyt theories and fight tooth and nail
defending this conjured nonsense.
The thought of Him being an active participant in their
lives is beyond their understanding. It’s all a big "fairy tale".
You can quote the Bible till the cows come home … it won’t
change a thing. They have already made their decision and nothing will change it.
Opening up their minds to a “what if” or “could it be possible” will sadly
never be explored.
Beandip ... the word is dead. It is boring. It means nothing to them and will never be enough on its own to convince them of anything. It is only brought to life by His Spirit. If you haven't been quickened by Him through rebirth you'll never understand it.
“Not by power nor by might but by My Spirit” says the Lord. – Zechariah 5:6
What nonsense is that !
We are all given our individual choices to make, and that is why God gives us the choice between right and wrong and it's up to us to choose which way we go.... ala Adam and Eve... the apple... etc etc
3 lone individuals listed above killed 130 million people between them, so what choice did those 130 million have?
This just God you speak of..... gave these 3 individuals, God like powers to kill that many
Yet.... if all 3 ask for forgiveness, they go to heaven?.... and you call that a just God?
A just god.... would have made all 3 of them stillborn at birth..... only then I would concur it's a just God
Beeno
Who allowed them to be born to serve Satan?
Not Satan
Case closed
So.. Beeno
I steal food to prevent my kids from starving to death as they are too young to fend for themselves, (A noble deed to prevent unecessary death) and I don't ask for forgiveness so I go to hell.
I deliberately rape, torture and kill 60 million people, at my own instruction, and ask for forgiveness and all is well with the lord
Yep... makes perfect sense
And for the record
My board name is Devil's Advocate because I never take things at face value and always question the obvious from all angles
"The Father is waiting for them to return like the prodical son"
So he waits until they have killed 130 million people and then they find God, and since he is the ever knowing god, he knew at what point, after killing so many people, they would find him
Answer me one question Beeno
Did our Omniscient God know what disgusting things these three individuals were going to do before they were born?
Simple question
Marx belonged to a relatively well-to-do family. He had not hungered in his childhood. He was much better off than many fellow students. What produced this terrible hatred against God? No personal motive is known. ...why should he have written these lines in his poem Invocation of One in Despair? [p.9]
So a god has snatched from me my all
In the curse and rack of destiny.
All his worlds are gone beyond recall!
Nothing but revenge is left to me!I shall build my throne high overhead,
Cold, tremendous shall its summit be.
For its bulwark -- superstitious dread.
For its Marshall -- blackest agony.[p.8]
The words “I shall build my throne high overhead” and the confession that from the one sitting on this throne will emanate only dread and agony, remind us of Lucifer’s proud boast: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God.” (Isaiah 14:13)
But why does Marx wish such a throne? The answer is found in a little-known drama which he also composed during his student years. It is called Oulanem. To explain this title a digression is needed.[p.9]
There exists a Satanist church. One of its rituals is the black mass which Satanist priests recite at midnight....An orgy follows... [pp.10-11]
We will be able to understand the drama Oulanem only in the light of a strange confession which Marx made in a poem called The Player, later down-played by both himself and his followers:
The hellish vapors rise and fill the brain,
Till I go mad and my heart is utterly changed.
See this sword? The prince of darkness sold it to me. -
For me beats the time and gives the signs.
Ever more boldly I play the dance of death.[p.12]
Now I quote from [Marx's] drama Oulanem:
And they are also Oulanem, Oulanem.
The name rings forth like death, rings forth
Until it dies away in a wretched crawl.
Stop, I’ve got it now! It rises from my soul....
Yet I have power within my youthful arms
To clench and crush you [i.e., personified humanity] with tempestuous force,
While for us both the abyss yawns in darkness.
You will sink down and I shall follow laughing,
Whispering in your ears, “Descend, come with me, friend.” [p.12]
The Bible which Marx had studied in his high school years... says that the devil will be bound by an angel and cast into the bottomless pit (abyssos in Greek: see Revelation 20:3). Marx wishes to draw the whole of mankind into this pit reserved for the devil and his angels....[pp.12-13]
Marx had loved the words of Mephistopheles in Faust, “Everything in existence is worth being destroyed.” Everything — including the proletariat and the comrades. Marx quoted these words.... Stalin acted on them and destroyed even his own family. [p.13]
The Satanist sect is not materialistic. It believes in eternal life. Oulanem, the person for whom Marx speaks, does not contest eternal life. He asserts it, but as a life of hate magnified to its extreme. It is worth noting that eternity for the devils means 'torment.” Thus Jesus was reproached by the demons: “Art you come hither to torment us before our time?” (Matthew 8:29)....
[Marx'] correspondence with his father testifies to his squandering great sums of money on pleasures and his constant quarreling with parental authority about this and other matters. Then he might have fallen in with the tenets of the highly secret Satanist church and received the rites of initiation. Satan, whom his worshippers see in their hallucinatory orgies, speaks through them. Thus Marx is only Satan’s mouthpiece when he utters in his poem Invocation of One in Despair the words, “I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above.”
Listen to the end of Oulanem:
If there is a Something which devours,
I’ll leap within it, though I bring the world to ruins—
The world which bulks between me and the abyss
I will smash to pieces with my enduring curses....
In Oulanem Marx does what the devil does: he consigns the entire human race to damnation. Oulanem is probably the only drama in the world in which all the characters are aware of their own corruption, which they flaunt and celebrate with conviction. In this drama there is no black and white... All are satanic, corrupt, and doomed.[p.15]
When he wrote these things, Marx... was eighteen. His life’s program had already been established. There was no word about serving mankind, the proletariat, or socialism. He wished to bring the world to ruin. He wished to build for himself a throne whose bulwark should be human shudder.[p.16]
