An Apartheid Squatter Campaign in Pretoria

Thanks saaark, a sad reality check, but refreshing to have some 'local' news, as opposed to the incessant barrage of Beano's Trompie garbage which more than dom i nates this section.

Very sad.

We know about this problem and I myself sent in two applications for the R350 monthly grant iro of two White people I have helped for more than 17 years to survive by giving them free accommodation and helping them financially to get food  and even medicine and clothing.

I have helped them to apply  to get the R350 allowance per month - but I doubt whether they would get it because they are White,   Ho wever, lets wait and see what happens,    

White South Africans will have to start banding together and support one another because the government has made it clear during this lockdown that they don't give a shit about whites. Ramaphosa again talked about how we are "one family" on Thursday evening, while at the same time stringent racial regulations are in place for aid to businesses and white businesses are pretty much being flushed down the drain by the same government that has forced them to close. What a crock.

And when I say white South Africans that includes the liberals who scoff at organizations like Afriforum and don't let one opportunity go by to trash white Afrikaners, because don't think for a moment because you suck up to the ANC you will be saved from being stepped on because of your white skin. For us who aren't ultra religious and can't conform to many of the traditional Afrikaner outlooks it's a sort of devil and the deep blue sea situation, but if we can all get past petty divides like that we should be able to support our own. Soon we may not have any choice but to do just that, if that choice has not already been taken out of the equation.

I'm probably being idealistic. The divides between white people run almost as deep as the divides between black tribes and black and white.

It's tricky.

One has a natural tendency to feel more for you own kind than others. Call it racism if you like but it's present in all races.

On the other side, I can attest to the fact that many white guys/gals that I've attempted to employ are lazy, dishonest, untrustworthy and arrogant.

I'm not making  excuses for affirmative action but rather stating that life often gives you what you deserve. 

It does not always hold true, but most whites that I know who work hard and make the best of their opportunities, don't end up in squatter camps.

I know numerous young white people and all of them are employed. Some earning better money than others. Among them there are quite a few that I wouldn't hire if they were the last person on earth...yet they have jobs.

Take alcohol and drug addiction out of the equation and you'll find that those white squatter camps shrink by orders of magnitude. I've not watched the video but it's worth nothing that if there are interviews happening, they'll look for the most educated and presentable person to talk to, giving you that impression that everyone there is the same.

Again, I'm not condoning the governments actions or corruption. It's just that there will always be a section of the population that ends up at the bottom of the pile and in SA the bottom is very low.

Of course, one feels very sorry for people, regardless of their story or how they ended up where they are.

Pakie, I'm English speaking with a name so Scottish that Scots do a doubletake when I tell them my name.

I always, and to this day, have one English friend for every ten Afrikaans friends.

There's a small cultural divide but I feel you may be exaggerating slightly. 

It's possible, Plum. I live fairly isolated so who knows, but on social media in particular I do see a strong disdain in liberal whites for the so-called "Afrikaner", the god fearing Afrikaans speaking conservative type. Likewise we see slurs like "libtards" coming from the right towards liberal whites, and the two groups can't seem to stand each other.

And no doubt there are bad apples on all sides and I tend to agree with you that hard and reliable workers seldom end up in squatter camps.

The video is about a black reporter for the SABC going into a white squatter camp to basically bait them with remarks about the racial makeup of the camp, like "you want government help but your racial makeup in this camp is not representative" and shit like that. Has he ever gone to a black camp to ask the same question?

A point of interest, which I am uncertain of as to whether it's been raised previously, regards the limitations on affirmative action during national disaster.

I don't believe there is any existing legislation in that regard.

And that would mean that the government would be acting illegally if it denied assistance on the basis of race during this time.

Shark, please don't comment because you've previously shown your complete lack of legal understanding.

Been aware of it forever, CC. Just not sure what is going to convince people that we need to take care of our own. We're being racially bullied, but the moment a white stands up for another white he's called a racist by his own kind. As you know there will be white liberals cheering the reporter in the video.

Plum, Afriforum's challenge against the BEE-based aid was dismissed by the Gauteng High Court. Last I heard they wanted to take it to the constitutional court, but I am pretty dumb when it comes to legal stuff as well.

Yes, Pakie ... we see it all the time.

The stadiums are packed by white folk when the Goats play test matches. They cheer for a team that's riddled with racist selections. They buy Goats apparel and walk around town proudly displaying their support of these racist policies.

Are they really that ignorant?

The Afrikaaner has sold his people out. He's now marrying these natives and raising half breed children.

I saw a white woman walking with her adopted black kid at the shop. She wouldn't adopt from her own race ... it had to be a black.

It's seems trendy to fuck a native these days.

I was driving home from work and as is usually the case, the natives would pass me by driving in the yellow lines. We came to an intersection and suddenly they thought that they had the right to push in front of me. As if I had no choice but to let them in.

This didn't happen ... and the native lost his shit, demonstrating his unhappiness with all kinds of gestures and mutterings in his own language.

My only response was the middle finger.

The "cowntree" we live in is a typical African shithole.

Plum, watch the video .......... or, stfu.

Three things, Klown . . .

Firstly, your use of the term "native" is both incorrect and ignorant. The only native people in this country are the Khoisan. The Zulus, Xhosa, Sotho and other Bantu people are no more native to this country than you or I.

Secondly, you have consistently painted me on this board as someone who supports Affirmative Action or BEE or whatever you want to call it without ever substantiating your lies. For the record, I have always vehemently opposed any form of discrimination based on race . . . during and after apartheid. If you have proof to the contrary, put it up because persisting with these barefaced lies of yours without any evidence to back them up is just cowardly.

Finally, I can say with some degree of confidence that there is no poster on this board or driver in this country who gives the taxis less of a gap than I do. When I drive it is my mission to make life as awkward as possible for anyone breaking the laws of the road and those are invariably the taxi drivers. I've had several taxi drivers give me the throat-slitting gesture because I don't give them even one millimetre if they're trying to push in front of me after jumping a robot or going straight from a right-only lane or using the Rea-Vaya lane or driving in the emergency lane or any of the other illegal, disrespectful and bad-mannered tactics that they use in the traffic.

If there was a political party in this country that stood on the ticket of bring back basic law and order to our roads and punishing moving violations like they used to do, I would vote for that party . . . because if you can't enforce the little laws, you're not going to enforce the big ones either.

Seriously, there is no-one on here . . . and I mean no-one . . . who hates rude and disrespectful drivers as much as I do. If one of my family members ever had to be killed because of some taxi driver jumping a red robot, I would go absolutely postal and you'd be reading in the papers about a crazed killer opening fire on taxis with a shotgun. 

“ Posted by: blobbok (2885 posts)

Thanks saaark, a sad reality check, but refreshing to have some 'local' news, as opposed to the incessant barrage of Beano's Trompie garbage which more than dominates this section.  “

Hell ou Blobbie. I just quickly checked the top 25 threads on BEENO’S Trumpet, as it stood when typing out this post. Eleven of them were started by Beeno. You do not consider Sharkbok’s constant anti-Trump, anti-conservative and anti-Christianity stuff incessant barrage at all? Rooinek’s Bozo threads perhaps? 

Pakie,

I think what you are witnessing, is what Shark has fallen victim to.

Basically, moral grandstanding against an easy enemy in order to score social points.

It irritates me beyond compare when I see white guys pretending they can't speak Afrikaans and putting on that fake accent while intentionally using the wrong words. I'm not Afrikaans but I wanna start dishing out some peosklappe when I see it happen. I can tell you a funny story about a date I went on which turned out hilariously disastrous for exactly that reason. Girl was obviously bilingual but pretend she didn't understand Afrikaans. I waited until dinner arrived before my lecture began...mwhahaha.

Everyone wants to be perceived as a heroic moral warrior and what you have witnessed on socials is just the easiest route to achieving that status.

Which also constitutes most of the anti-Trump bias that we see.

As always, there's a big disconnect between social media and the real world. Just ask the EFF and their twitteR followers as regards the election last year.

"Seriously, there is no-one on here . . . and I mean no-one . . . who hates rude and disrespectful drivers as much as I do. If one of my family members ever had to be killed because of some taxi driver jumping a red robot, I would go absolutely postal and you'd be reading in the papers about a crazed killer opening fire on taxis with a shotgun."

22 year old guy on his bike, waiting at a red light. Taxi changes lanes to overtake the stationary vehicles ahead while jumping the red light. Runs right over the guy on his bike. Killed instantly. Taxi driver spent 14 hours in Jail and got a R2k fine. He never even contacted the kid's girlfriend, who was pregnant with their baby. This happened to my bro in-law's cousin.

I had two taxi's try run me off the road in a quasi-ambush attempt about three years back. Towing three tons. Driving just after sunrise on a dead straight road that dipped very gradually into a valley before climbing again. Right at the bottom of the dip were two taxis. One parked on each side of the road, facing opposite directions. I knew what they were up to so slowed right down, and as there were no other cars around, moved to the middle of the road. The moment I got near, the one on my side darted into the road and then moved back out again. I drove on slowly all the way up and stopped once I'd crossed the apex of the hill, when I was out of sight. Then I got out and watched them, both still sitting there. S uddenly nobody had to go anywhere.

This was just outside Mt Ayliff in the EC. One thing I know for sure, had I fucked up there, it was tickets.

“ Apparently the population in SA has something like doubled in the last 30 years. and the economy is hardly growing.   “

Maybe there was some truth in the notion that the best way forward was a gradual program of mentoring in both the private and public service sectors. 

Instead it was a jump in, free for all exercise, kicking out whites, and Afrikaners in particular, left right and centre. Handing out top jobs for connected cadres. That is apart from those whites who decided on sucking up and brown nosing for hand out positions. 

SB 

You are correct - in the days up to 1994 their was about 8 million illegals in SA.  The fact is in the 1970's the practice was that harmless prisoners were allowed to earn money by working on farms,  One day while on holiday on my fathers farm there was such a laborer working there ,  I asked him why he was in jail in Riversdale,   He said he came from Mozambique and was about to be extradited back to his country of origin.   Remember this was in Riversdale over 2000 kilometers from Mozambique,   I then ask what will happen after that,   He said he will be back in SA within 14 days,     That was just an example of what was going on in the 1970's.     

 During  the Mugabe presidency the number of Zimbabweans increased to over 3 million on their own.   The number of other "refugees almost tripled since 1994.   So we have about 16 to 18 million aliens in SA,  

Zuma nearly destroyed the SA economy through bribery and corruption and the present scenario will destroy it completely - it is the final nail in the coffin,   You are lucky to be out of SA  and I even hope I get the virus and pass on.   There is no hope for people under the mess created by the ANC Government,     

"That is bullshit that it is only the drug addict and alcoholic white people that end up this situation. What about the children of the people that are in squatter camps..."

Not what i said but ok.

Mozart

The period is not correct,  The collapse started in 2007 - so they managed the destruction in just 13 years 

No Mike, it started day one...it just got exponentially worse under Zuma.

I look at it as follows.

Take two Ferraris.

Give one to an 18 year old guy.

Give the other to the same guy, but when he is 50 years old.

The second car will have a much happier life.

And it's because the 18 year didn't didn't really know how to drive and he also lacked the life experience necessary to look after an expensive possession.

I don't know if that's a racist point of view or not.

Freedom fighters never govern well...and the notion that all the fighters should be rewarded with cushy jobs, regardless of their qualifications, is the main problem...and once they're in power, the problem persists and escalates. 

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I look at it as follows.

Take two Ferraris.

Give one to an 18 year old guy.

Give the other to the same guy, but when he is 50 years old.

The second car will have a much happier life.

And it's because the 18 year didn't didn't really know how to drive and he also lacked the life experience necessary to look after an expensive possession.

I don't know if that's a racist point of view or not. “

Correct and not even remotely racist Plum. 

Now, if the 18 year old was prepared to let the 50 year old take him by the hand and mentor him in driving the Ferrari responsibly and taking care of it, instead of telling him to piss of, grab the keys and jump in behind the wheel..

As I said earlier today:

Maybe there was some truth in the notion that the best way forward was a gradual program of mentoring in both the private and public service sectors. 

I don’t know which of those fairy tales wins the prize for the biggest pie in the sky. 

Your IQ test idea falls at the first hurdle. The IQ tests used back in the days were never going to be ideal for one simple, and very very sad reason. When you develop a test battery for something like IQ tests you have to assume that the person being tested complies with a certain frame of reference. Certain concepts and ideas that he/she has been exposed to. White kids and black kids in South Africa were not exposed to the same things. The tests that were available were developed by whites for whites. Using them on a black kid would have put them at a massive and unfair disadvantage. Remember that back in the day IQ tests were done in the final part of primary school. Those results were put on your EDLAB chart and went with you through your entire school career. 

I only realised that when I was doing Psychometrics as part of my studies in the eighties. I was in one way shocked to learn that. I was embarrassed to learn that that had happened and I was mad to learn about it. Mad because I knew that one day it may well be one more stone to be cast at whites. 

So no, your IQ idea was never going to fly. 

Getting left wing socialists into education? Are you hopping fucking maf? Look what happened in the educational institutions in the USA. Do you know it got to where it is?

The last one is the biggest load of wishful thinking that I’ve seen in a long time. 

I don’t know which of those fairy tales wins the prize for the biggest pie in the sky. 

Your IQ test idea falls at the first hurdle. The IQ tests used back in the days were never going to be ideal for one simple, and very very sad reason. When you develop a test battery for something like IQ tests you have to assume that the person being tested complies with a certain frame of reference. Certain concepts and ideas that he/she has been exposed to. White kids and black kids in South Africa were not exposed to the same things. The tests that were available were developed by whites for whites. Using them on a black kid would have put them at a massive and unfair disadvantage. Remember that back in the day IQ tests were done in the final part of primary school. Those results were put on your EDLAB chart and went with you through your entire school career. 

I only realised that when I was doing Psychometrics as part of my studies in the eighties. I was in one way shocked to learn that. I was embarrassed to learn that that had happened and I was mad to learn about it. Mad because I knew that one day it may well be one more stone to be cast at whites. 

So no, your IQ idea was never going to fly. 

Getting left wing socialists into education? Are you hopping fucking maf? Look what happened in the educational institutions in the USA. Do you know it got to where it is?

The last one is the biggest load of wishful thinking that I’ve seen in a long time. 

The crucial point is it never started out with the intention to create something great, to maximize opportunities for all. That was the lip service. The real intent was to punish and equalize regardless of whether that would be at a lower level for all. Which it is, except for the political thieves who never created an iota of economic activity and now drive Lamborghinis.

@Ceradunce, as you have no alternative ideas, can I assume you think what happened in SA was perfect. 

Apartheid that favoured white people, especially Afrikaaner, male and religious people were never going to be a system that lasted. So fuck white people of future generations... and other races that had to suffer under the evil Apartheid system. 

That is your answer... It was perfection. 

You are so naive that you think the NP was a left-wing organisation.
The more foreign pressure, the shorter time span that political regime had left. 

In the very end, the only reason they were appearing to favour the end of Apartheid was that the writing was on the wall. Mandela was about to be released- and when that happened the whole world would unite against the current regime in South Africa to overthrow it. 

The government officials knew it was game over, and they were just trying to secure a peaceful transition.

Prior to this, any liberal ideology whites (Afrikaans and English speaking) were chased out our South Africa by your army. Journalists, politicians, anyone who could have started an alternative process - instead of just wait till the last minute where a revolution was inevitable. These were thinking people that realised a transition was inevitable to ensure racial hatred would not break the back of the country. 

Instead, Pik Botha and his "deeply religious" crew were quoting from the Bible.... give me a break. 

Apartheid was also designed to protect the Afrikaaner from the white speaking English people. It was ensured that first language English speaking people never became the majority. This is the reason more people from first world countries were not allowed into SA - to increase voting power. 

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@Ceradunce, as you have no alternative ideas, can I assume you think what happened in SA was perfect. “

FFS, can’t you read? Aren’t you supposed to be English speaking? 

I have given my suggestions on this thread. Twice. You are so hellbent on winning an argument that you are completely missing shit and then come up with a remark like this. What do you want? Shall we have a look at trying to figure out which is bigger, 0.55 or 0.3, again. 

I have noticed somewhere that you said that you left SA at the age of 23. I left at the age of 53. I spent 19 years since matric in the “old“ SA and 16 years from ‘94 until I left. How does your figures compare? Who do you think has a better idea of pre 94, compared to post 94. 

I say again your ideas are pie in the sky, and I have given you the reasons why I say so. I have also given you a possible solution of what should have been done. Why don’t you debate the points for a change? Defend your ideas against my critique of your “plan”.

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As I said earlier today:

Maybe there was some truth in the notion that the best way forward was a gradual program of mentoring in both the private and public service sectors. 

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I read that joke. Do you think that Apartheid was just going to be ended one day, and then the next day- the majority of the population is going to say Ok to that? 
If you had been black,  you sure as hell would not have accepted that.
That is what the plan was... Spoiler Alert- it did not work...

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The transition is what I was talking about - only allowing people of at least an average IQ to vote. Then over time, there will be more people of all races that are allowed to vote as a stronger middle-class majority is developed. (Hence "some" more liberal people in education that were less prejudiced on racial stereotype.).
Also, it would not attract heat from the international community because it was not racist. So SA could go about its business without sanctions, and every military in the world wanting to help the people of Africa overthrow the regime. 

The NP was slow plodders and left things too late. 

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Just because you have been in SA longer than me, that means Fok all. 

There you go. You started off looking for a way to take the shit at what I said. I said that I was on the side of some form of mentoring. Now, if you were grown up enough in the period from 1990 to 1994, you would know that there was even an attempt to do just that. Remember the “Govt of National Unity”, or whatever it was called? The one where Mandela was the President with both Mbeki and FW de Klerk as his deputies? Do you remember FW and Mandela holding hands after their TV interview, promising that everybody was going to work together with the blacks feeding off the expertise of the whites? Probably not. Too busy playing TV Video games.

Remember how Tito Mboweni was working together with Chris Stals, to govern the Reserve Bank jointly? 

I don’t know if you’re old enough to remember scenes like this:

Wait, wait, wait, what the hell is this senile old toppie talking about? WTF is Chris Stals and Tito Mboweni and WTF is a Govt of National Unity. Wait. Quick. Say Goooogle. Come here quick mate. I need some urgent help. Come on, come on, quick quick. 

“ My point is that the process you refer to started after Apartheid. What I was talking about re IQ tests, is slowing the process down to ensure it was not a revolution.   “

Bullshit  there was no political motive behind it. None whatsoever. The “black” varsities, just did not show any interest in it at all. Nothing. I spoke to my professors about it. Prof Lucas Vermeulen was, in addition to his position at the varsity, one of the big shots at the Institute of Personnel Management. He invited lecturers and Profs from those varsities, through the IPM. They weren’t interested. Their fields of interest,  when it came to Human Resources, were in Labour law, labour relations, recruitment. They had no interest in psychometrics. I can expand to psychometrics and the other “white” varsities if you want but that is beyond the scope of this discussion. This is about the reason why there were very little to no IQ test batteries for black kids. They did show some interest in hand eye coordination type of tests, but that was it. 

There were tests for turners, and a certain test that I forget the name of that was used to test for crane drivers. And so on and so on. Those were the few that drew their interest. 

They also had no interest in field dependence tests like the rod and frame test used in pilots selection or the Group Embedded Figures test, used for architectural students. 

Nothing to do with underlying motives and revolutions and shit. That’s just the way it was. 

Your impression of the motive of the NP as to keep the blacks under control is off the mark as well. Why do you think Albert Hertzog and Jaap Marais broke away to start the Herstigte Nasionale Party. Why do you think Andries Treurnicht and his crowd later broke away and formed the CP?

The NP was looking for a way to get to one man one vote and equal opportunities, without leaving the whites with the hind tit and the hind tot alone. We all now know that they failed to achieve that, but as they say, hindsight is 20/20 vision. Fact is that nowhere in Africa has this, what you are propagating been tried let alone been successful. And they don’t have an NP to blame.

There was so much potential in a unified SA but identity politics killed it. Just like identity politics will stuff up the rest of the western world if they don’t watch out.