“ Posted by: sharkbok (11638 posts)
May 20, 2020, 18:23
@Ceradunce, you are using ANC reasoning that should be allocated based on a % racial makeup.“
Uhmmm. Glad you noticed. Unfortunately, like Apartheid had flaws, everything else had its flaws. My transitioning, the ANC’s promise of a new 100% equal society. The only flawless one, according to your reasoning, is the IQ test one. Unfortunately for you, that is the one that has nothing but flaws.
“ The whole basis of my argument on IQ was trying to identify the best resources and skill them up and build a middle class from all races, instead of segregation based on race. “
You are still trying to convince yourself that you can bracket IQ in with skill. You can’t. There are numerous psychometric tests to test skills levels. IQ tests measures one thing and one thing only. Level of intelligence. That’s it. Nothing less. Nothing more. You can have someone who has an IQ of 120 who cannot stack two bricks on top of each other. You can have someone with an IQ of 70 who can lay thousands of bricks per day. Perfectly in line and with perfect joints.
They have different skills. Using some brick laying test, the bricklayer will pass with flying colours. No IQ test will tell you that he is a brilliant bricklayer. No IQ test will expose the guy with the IQ of 120 as a shit bricklayer.
“The way your defend Apartheid is nonsense. Most of the jobs reserved for black people was low skilled cheap labour. They had no roadmap in their careers, nothing to bring hope. “
I’m not defending Apartheid. I’m discussing the reality. Have I denied job reservation? No. You are also not quite correct about career paths. In 1975 my father, who worked for Anglo American Corporation, promoted a number black storemen ahead of whites. He got a bit of flack. The white union reps rocked up at his office one day, demanding he call in the whites who were superseded to discuss this. They were called in and were told that the union guys were there to address their grievances. They, the white superseded guys, wanted to know grievances they were talking about. Long story short. The white guys told the union guys to stop stirring shit. The black guys deserved the promotions. They were working next to them for years and the promotions were overdue. That is the honest truth. My dad was not the only one in Anglo to promote blacks. Anglo was also not the only big corporate that had careers for blacks. There were career paths in the civil service, in the police, in the medical profession, all over. My mother was a nurse her entire life. Whenever anybody battled to find a vein for IV treatment or drawing blood, the white nurses would call one of the black nurses. The black nurses, for obvious reasons, were brilliant at finding veins.
So, yes. There were job reservations. I never denied it. I never said that it was right either. But that could/should have been fixed. Fixed without fucking up an entire economy and social construct.
“The black population does not have social, economic or political systems designed for the 21st century- and this is why Africa is so far behind the rest of the world. “
Just tell me one thing. Where did the white population get the social economic and political systems designed for the 21st century? Remember that somewhere along the line they started off at the same point where the blacks are now. Actually worse off. No electricity, no clean water, no modern medical supply and systems, no computers, no telephones, nothing. Where did they get their social, political and economic systems?
Am I saying that because it wasn’t handed to whites on a silver platter, the blacks do not deserve it? No ways. But that does not mean that everything has to be grabbed away from the whites and handed over to the blacks. If I was a black man, my first objective would have been to say to the white man: I would be grateful if you decided to share some of your wealth but I would prefer it more if you would assist me in helping me to learn how to achieve what you have achieved.
And this may surprise you but by far the most of the whites were totally prepared to do just that. That is why we voted overwhelmingly yes in the 1983 referendum. The referendum that gave way to the Tricameral Parliament.
That is also why we voted overwhelmingly yes in the 1992 referendum. It was the whites that paved the way to the 1994 general elections. Not the blacks. We were all tired for the uncertainty and the animosity and the crap international position we were in. As you said elsewhere you vaguely remember. I clearly remember. I remember all the bad shit as well as the good.
I started my national service in 1976. I was in the infantry. We had just finished our training and finished our final evaluations by the School of Infantry. We were in the bush at a place called Jumbo near Parys. We were tired and miserable but glad that all was over. We performed a mock first light attack on an enemy base. We moved out into our positions at last light the previous night and set up our TBs and then it started to rain and we carried out the attack soaking wet, cold and bodies aching. We had no outside contact for two weeks.
It was a Wednesday, the morning of 16 June 1976. We were taking our time, breaking up the camp. We knew that we were going on weekend pass on Friday.
The next moment the corporals rushed in shouting to hurry up. We needed to get back to base in Potchefstroom ASAP. We learnt that there was trouble in Soweto. Our weekend passes were cancelled and we were put on five hour standby. That lasted for six weeks before we had our first weekend pass. There were sporadic unrest over the next years.
In 1984 the civil unrest broke out on big scale again. I had a youngster in 1985 who worked in my garden. He was a good kid and I did a lot to help him wherever I could. He would arrive on a Saturday morning and I would ask him if they had had any school. He would tell me how they battled but how the police helped them to stay safe to attend classes but they did not have all their classes. He was already twenty years old, working his arse off to get his matric because he wanted to become a police man. At the end of the year he got his matric and I took him to the station commander at Cullinan and helped him enroll. He was a good young man and often came to thank me for the help and advice. There you have it. Your typical racist white Afrikaner.
Do I believe that Apartheid was perfect? No ways. Was it as evil as most people would have you believe? I honestly don’t think so. There were many things that were good. Not perfect but good.
Were mistakes made? Of course. Big ones.
Could the 1976 uprisings have been prevented? Probably not. Reason being that something else would have popped up that would warrant an uprising.
It was just that Andries Treurnicht provided the perfect catalyst for the start of the uprisings. It is a bit more complicated but in short, they complained about text books that weren’t delivered as promised. It reached the ears of PW Botha and he hauled Treurnicht over the coals.
Treurnicht was pissed off and like a petulant child had text books delivered but he sent them Afrikaans text books. That was the trigger that the agitators were waiting for.
Why am I telling you this? To try to indicate to you that everybody were sick and tired of the unsolved political situation. In the end it was the white electorate that took the leap. It was the whites who were willing to reach out. It was the whites who were willing to share, and many have. Equally many people of colour grabbed the hands and started walking the path. Not all whites were bad. Not all white Afrikaners were or are racists. In fact, very few of us were/are. Many of us worked side by side with blacks for years. I have told you about my in laws’ farm.
With this, I’m walking away from this argument because you are behaving like an insecure child. I’ve had enough. I have countered each and every argument and I have had much support for what I have have said on this thread. You have not managed to convince anybody that there is any merit in your pie in the sky idea of using IQ results as a benchmark for voter eligibility.