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Insulting atheists for a change.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Jan 2020, 17:07
#121
03 Jan 2020, 17:07#121

"You still haven't properly answered my question on that specific topic, because you are mentioning chimps and relatedness which really does have nothing at all to do with how people react to certain events in their life....."

You must ask yourself whether you do or do not subscribe to the theory of evolution , DA.

If you do, then our present stage of evolution and all the tools we have to navigate the world, both physical and psychological, are all a product of evolution. Down the last cell and ball hair. So unless you are talking about the methaphysical, i can't udnerstand how/why evolution must be separated from the way we behave in certain circumstances.

However we behave, in evolutonary terms, its all a product of our genes...programming...relatedness...instincts...fear respones... and on and on.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
03 Jan 2020, 17:11
#122
03 Jan 2020, 17:11#122

"If you disagree with sacrafice and the love that gives rise to it being down to degrees of relatedness in evolutionary terms, then the you are only left with methaphysical love/purpose as the origin of love/sacrifice."

So let me get this straight...… you are saying that for me to love my children, or alternatively.... for me to impulsively save a stranger from drowning...…... then there has to be some inherent or universal element of reality to occur for this to happen...…. nothing can be uniquely created just by me..... out of pure love for my child or a fellow human being?

You are losing me Plum...…. I see nothing at all in this part of your debate...…. it honestly seems to me that you are just trying to confuse the issue completely...…..

Anyway, time to go, maybe I will get time to chat over the weekend


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Jan 2020, 17:15
#123
03 Jan 2020, 17:15#123

"I just don't see how you can be a 100% believer and also a 100% non-believer, and then also at the same time..... a 100% in between…..…. I won't ever get that logic"

Look up what superpositon means.

I never realised before how apt Schrodinger's cat was to the discusion about God's existence.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
03 Jan 2020, 17:15
#124
03 Jan 2020, 17:15#124

Yeah, it certainly seems so Cloudy, but as I said earlier...…..

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Jan 2020, 17:19
#125
03 Jan 2020, 17:19#125

I dont know what that means...

"then there has to be some inherent or universal element of reality to occur for this to happen."

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Jan 2020, 17:20
#126
03 Jan 2020, 17:20#126

Welcome back Cloudy.

Howya doing, man?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Jan 2020, 17:22
#127
03 Jan 2020, 17:22#127

DA, let me simplify...

Do you or do you not rate evolution as the reason that you arrived here on earth as a humn?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Jan 2020, 17:28
#128
03 Jan 2020, 17:28#128

"More of the insults.  Probably the best you can do considering I’m probably more of a man than you’ll ever be "

Of this, I'm have no doubt.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Jan 2020, 17:38
#129
03 Jan 2020, 17:38#129

Here , DA

"In quantum theory, quantum particles can exist in a superposition of states at the same time and collapse down to a single state upon interaction with other particles."

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jan 2020, 18:06
#130
03 Jan 2020, 18:06#130

Reading RooiNietzsche's smarmy arguments one would swear Plum didn't take him apart on the chessboard. Hahaha.....I wonder what  Camus would have said about that bit of history. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jan 2020, 19:05
#131
03 Jan 2020, 19:05#131

"Atheists place a burden of proof on christians. But when the burden of proof is placed on atheists as regards the love for their children, they are incapable"

IMO Atheists are mainly opposed to religion because they don't like the "rules". 

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
03 Jan 2020, 19:11
#132
03 Jan 2020, 19:11#132

Utter BS Dradd. There are no rules on how to live your life except for human morals and you will not finf that in your bible.

I am anti slave and anti child sacrifice in the name of some made up god.

You support an evil entity based on a book by ignorant savages from 2000 years ago that didn't know any better. Shame on you for tying yourself to hatred 

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
03 Jan 2020, 19:15
#133
03 Jan 2020, 19:15#133

I am am a Atheist and there is nothing i would not give for my children, my wealth and my life mean nothing as far as my kids are concerned i would give it up on a heart beat for them to live along and meaningful life.

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
03 Jan 2020, 19:28
#134
03 Jan 2020, 19:28#134
Happy Clappies like to pretend they follow rules, and they are the only good people on earth, and all other religions or lack thereof are wrong. 
If it got to the situation of sacrificing their child, their self, money or even their favourite TV program they would not bother to follow the rules of God. 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jan 2020, 20:22
#135
03 Jan 2020, 20:22#135

Child sacrifice is not a Biblical practice required by God.  Stop twisting the facts.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Jan 2020, 20:23
#136
03 Jan 2020, 20:23#136

Given the choice between running across an electrified platform to eat or not doing it and not eating...Rats chose not to eat.

Given the choice between running across an electrified platform to receive a dopamine hit or to not run across the platform and not receive the dopamine hit...All the rats take the voltage in their stride as they go for hit after hit of dopamine.

That hit is so important. It makes them feel so good and so motivated that they'll run after it, without eating, until they die.





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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jan 2020, 20:26
#137
03 Jan 2020, 20:26#137

God will never ask me to sacrifice any of my children...what happened to Abraham was something way different.  

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
03 Jan 2020, 20:32
#138
03 Jan 2020, 20:32#138

He killed millions on the great flooD, none of them were children?

Your god is a murderer of innocent as well as the evil. Dont try to tell me otherwise

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
03 Jan 2020, 20:36
#139
03 Jan 2020, 20:36#139
Your god is more evil than the devil could ever be but you lot still defend him even though he is a mass murderer and a slavey exponent  but you will twist the bible to make out he is a good god. Shame on you, how can you support such an evil being is beyond me
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Jan 2020, 20:40
#140
03 Jan 2020, 20:40#140
Moffie the stinking liar still too gutless, cowardly and lacking in character to admit he lied about who I quoted despite the clear and overwhelming evidence at hand.
What a sickening liar and reprehensible human being.
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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
03 Jan 2020, 20:44
#141
03 Jan 2020, 20:44#141
God sacrificed his only son Jesus as a lamb.
The Bible is filled with child Sacrifice.
Search in Google and there are countless examples of God asking for human sacrifice.
https://www.rationalchristianity.net/human_sacrifice.html
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Child-Sacrifice

However it was not just children, God has sacrificed many. For God sacrificed nearly all life on Earth, except Noah and the animals on the boat.
This PROVES that religious people do NOT read the Bible

2. Exodus 22:29-30

You must give me the firstborn of your sons. Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day. 

The above option appears to be Moses sacrificing the sons of people travelling to the promised Land.

https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB839GB839&ei=T4kPXtHFDpSU1fAPgcS7gAY&q=examples+of+child+sacrifice+in+the+bible&oq=sacrifice+children+the+bible&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i71l8.0.0..4550...0.2..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz.fuNCruknhNo
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Jan 2020, 21:59
#142
03 Jan 2020, 21:59#142


You guys do understand that if God exists and did all the things you're talking about, then the afterlife exists too?

Since you have no idea of what the afterlife might be, no concept of what infinity/eternity might be like, are restricted to 3 dimensions, have not the foggiest idea of what "God's" plan is, nor any concept of what your soul would consist of or even what this life really is...

Please tell me how you see fit to judge the deeds of an omnipotent creator that made it all. 

Not following God because you only have access to a very limited amount of information, doesn't seem like a smart idea.

Rebellion in the face of a force that dwarfs you by every measure is the most foolish of fool's errands.

Cumon, Sader. You can do better than that.

What's the real reason that you don't believe?

I've stated mine above.


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Jan 2020, 22:09
#143
03 Jan 2020, 22:09#143

Not sure if any of you have seen Dali's 4d representation of a Cube.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_(Corpus_Hypercubus)

From what I remember, the cross is a representation of a Cube in 4d. All the information about the object(cube) being available from all angles.

I guess he showing Jesus transitioning from our world to a higher dimension.

Genius. Real genius. 

Religious or not, imagine being in a realm like that. How time, information, thoughts, etc would interact with your mind.

I can't think about it for too long. It becomes hypnotic.

Fucking hell Dali. You absolute legend!!!


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jan 2020, 22:11
#144
03 Jan 2020, 22:11#144

That's the problem with militant atheists.....they have no alternative theory for existence. But in spite of the fact  there is so much we don't know, they pour scorn on the beliefs of others. Ignorant behaviour.


And all the arguments I read here are based on the Old Testament....the Christian doctrine is the basis for everything we believe to be moral today. For a document which is twenty centuries old, it was one of the great shifts in human affairs.


Tolerance, sympathy and decency would help.....things that are woven throughout the New Testament.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Jan 2020, 22:16
#145
03 Jan 2020, 22:16#145

Agreed, Moz.

They also tend to interpret the old testament through the new one. As far as I can gather, from Jews that I've bored with endless questions, that is a colossal clanger.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jan 2020, 22:27
#146
03 Jan 2020, 22:27#146

"The Bible is filled with child Sacrifice."

Show one example of one child sacrifice required by God in the Bible. Only one  put up or shut up.

Bare in mind that Isaac was never supposed to be sacrificed at all. The whole episode was to illustrate that the real God was different to the other religions of the day. Different than Baal worship, different to the religions actually asking for child sacrifice.  An alternative to the trend was actually provided.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jan 2020, 22:38
#147
03 Jan 2020, 22:38#147

"Your god is a murderer of innocent as well as the evil. Dont try to tell me otherwise'

According to you he does not exist. You don't care enough about religion to even begin to understand what the God of the Bible is about, yet you see it fit to judge God....?

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
03 Jan 2020, 22:46
#148
03 Jan 2020, 22:46#148
I just gave you a whole list of requests by God for child sacrifice. See the links above. You clearly do not read the Bible. 

I have copied and pasted some links below AGAIN- 

2. Exodus 22:29-30 (Moses Promised Land)

You must give me the firstborn of your sons. Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day. 

This one appears to be too sacrifice the firstborn children, along with cattle. This is the people walking to the promised land... (what type of promise was this?). Is this first born-cattle, or all the cattle? What are people going to eat?  
https://www.rationalchristianity.net/human_sacrifice.html
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Child-Sacrifice



https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB839GB839&ei=T4kPXtHFDpSU1fAPgcS7gAY&q=examples+of+child+sacrifice+in+the+bible&oq=sacrifice+children+the+bible&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i71l8.0.0..4550...0.2..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz.fuNCruknhNo


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jan 2020, 23:15
#149
03 Jan 2020, 23:15#149

"Give" does not equal "sacrifice"...stop trolling. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
03 Jan 2020, 23:36
#150
03 Jan 2020, 23:36#150
Was Jesus sacrificed or not? Was he pinned to the cross with nails?  Give, Gave is to sacrifice
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only ...


https://biblehub.com › john
New International Version For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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If you read the Bible in 100 years from now, all of this will be edited to remove the sacrifices. Over time the Bible has been edited to make it seem less extreme. The Koran is still pretty extreme, but the Bible used to be same or worse. 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Jan 2020, 09:50
#151
04 Jan 2020, 09:50#151

Yes, Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice...God gave His Son as the ultimate sacrifice...the only sacrifice God required for salvation...mock it all you like.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Jan 2020, 11:32
#152
04 Jan 2020, 11:32#152

Draad,

I don't know this for sure because I don't think anyone can, but here's what I think.

Have a look at the first post on this thread. It says nothing about religion and makes no claims as to anything to do with religious people or their beliefs.

It's a philosophical attack on the atheists, not because of their lack of faith, but simply on the basis of how they view the world scientifically. 

They deem all life to be entirely the product of evolution. Even in the absence of religion, they would still subscribe to evolution. 

In other words, evolution would exist even if the name "God" or the idea of religion never existed anywhere in the universe...according to them.

Now look at how each and every one of them brought religion into the argument. They couldn't justify their point unless they leaned it against religion. 

I even clarified as to why atheism was used in the title. Because they, by definition, exclude the metaphysical from their thinking while relying entirely on science to explain existence.

So now I wonder. If one cannot substantiate your world view without leaning it against something that you DON'T believe exists, then really, how secure are you in it?

They claim I'm all over the place, not make sense, attempting to confuse the discussion...and yet, what I said was very clear.  

If you remove the idea of God from the atheist's table, they suddenly have to stand entirely on their own world view and it confuses the shit out of them.

Unless they're arguing against religion, they really have very little in their arsenal. As this thread shows. 

EG...see how many post above bring God into it, even after I said and showed how religion has no bearing on the point being made.

And now you know why they're so eager to attack Christians.  


 


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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
04 Jan 2020, 14:17
#153
04 Jan 2020, 14:17#153

Plum i dont believe in the christian god simply because i have not seen 1 single shred of evidence that supports it.

The bible is certainly not what such a intelligent and supreme being would write. Its full of nonsense (noah ark, grnesis etc) and mass murder of innocent beings.

Why am i held resposible for other peoples actions.

For.the same reason i dont believe in any ofbthe other gods.

As i have said before there may be a god but it is nothing like yours.

As for an after life i find that hard to swallow as well. In well over 50 years of life i have not experienced anything of the supernatural, no strange voices in my head nothing.

Watch any of these paranormal hunters/mystics/fortune tellers and its as plain as your nose infront of you they are all scam artists.

I am a firm believer in the natural world and that is all there is. We dont have the answers to everything but every day we creep forward. 

And it doesn't make someone a better man to believe otherwise. What makes a better man is his actions and you dont need religion to do that.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
04 Jan 2020, 14:26
#154
04 Jan 2020, 14:26#154

And evolution is a fact, only someone ignorant can deny it.

Evolution does not discount there being a god at all but is a big hurdle for literal bible believers.

If there is some sort of god then evolution is obviously part of his plan.

Why do some believers just ignore anything that science proves simply because it doesn't fit with their beliefs. If the bible was real surely the sciences would support it, is your god playing tricks?

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
04 Jan 2020, 14:32
#155
04 Jan 2020, 14:32#155

Your god surely knows what is needed to make me a believer, why cant i be one of his chosen one?

And dont give me that BS he has but I wont accept it or i am to ignorant to realise it. If beeno is the best your god can do then he is rather a pitifully weak and stupid god.

CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
04 Jan 2020, 14:37
#156
04 Jan 2020, 14:37#156

And snowflake, what is a militant Atheist exactly, are they the ones running around burning down churches and murdering people for their religious beliefs?

No thats the religious.

If you mean those that are outspoken in their disbelief  of silly beliefs then yes i am.

You must be very insecure in your beliefs if people and our ideas threaten you so much

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Jan 2020, 17:22
#157
04 Jan 2020, 17:22#157

"They couldn't justify their point unless they leaned it against religion. "

That's the half of it. IMO, most of their (non) believe horse sh!t stems from not liking the "rules". The anger at the "God that does not exist " is tangible. 

Like I said before, I can understand agnosticism...it makes sense...IMO Atheism is a reaction to religion....Christianity in particular...too much anger and aggression displayed for it to be plain "non believe". Active and aggressive opposition to The Gospel...spirit of the Antichrist...their constant hate makes it obvious....it's been foretold 2000 years ago.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Jan 2020, 17:27
#158
04 Jan 2020, 17:27#158

Does anyone think Cloudy is a bit gossipy and has no interest in making valuable contributions?

Can't see past here own nose and think everything is about her, her feeling and and and.

For the last time, Cloudy...

This thread was created top start a discussion. It's intentionally harsh, as stated in the opening. 

Not only is the topic above your ability, you don't even understand the structure of the discussion.

Yet you wanna wag your silly tongue.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Jan 2020, 17:38
#159
04 Jan 2020, 17:38#159

Plum, you a d Clouds have blind spots when it comes to one another...all reason evaporates when you 2 start quarreling.   

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Jan 2020, 17:38
#160
04 Jan 2020, 17:38#160

Here, this is exactly why you are a plank.

"Did I say clear? Crystal clear hahaha whatever. You can’t give a definition of an atheist without bringing God into the equation because that’s what an atheist is, even hypothetically speaking it’s a stupid analogy. An atheist is not a person who believes in evolution, he’s a person who does not believe in God. Did you know that 8% of all atheists actually believe there is a God. Maybe you’re one of those 8% just come out and say it instead of sitting on the fence."

Atheists have to believe in evolution, Cloudy. How the hell esle are you here?

Whahaha. So all the animals just appeared, fully formed yet weren't created because there is no creator. Do you see the contradiction. <face-palm>

There is no other explanation. It's creation or evolution. 

AND YOU ABSOLUTE PLONKER...Your 8% of atheists are actually agnostics. And there is an entire spectrum of agnosticism. 

See, what I mean. You come in, talk a bunch shit, don't understand the topic, show us all that you actually have no idea what you're talking about...And then want to tell me that I'm all over the place while bleeping "hypocrite".

I'd be so bloody embarrassed if I were you.

Lol, I blatantly say on here that think all options are open yet I'm an atheist.

You really, really are just not bright enough for this.

I'm sorry.

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