Insulting atheists for a change.

"DA

"I mentioned psychedelics because YOU asked how they would know it is God's voice"

LMAO, what a very silly response

I ask how billions of people would know if God approached them, with his voice, and the very first thing you think about responding back with..... is psychedelic drugs...… on more than one occasion...

Enough said

"Unless, wait, were you expecting to find the answer here?"

Of course I was Plum...… you seem to have all the answers.....

"We're you really?"

Ag, well...…. sorta...… because you do seem like a clev a chap

Gosh how many times do you differs need to be told about the promise the Son of God made. Jesus said if you seek me in EARNEST  you WILL FIND. 

GOD will not refuse to reveal Himself to you IF. You truly seek Him in EARNEST.

Trouble is many PREFER the darkness to the light. 

To correct all the BS spoken here is a full time job. Then you have to repeat yourself again and again. 

Horseshit for brains Saffexperv doesn't even read the posts he calls horseshit. Hahahaha what a hapless lot. 

DA

Yes. The response was apt. You just haven't clocked it. 

The word "know". The crux of your question, right?

Where do you know? 

You know in your reality, DA.

Knowing and reality are two inseparable pals. 

Hence my offering of altered states. 

Get it yet?

T here is a spectrum of varying chemical loads and interactions, inside differing areas of the brain, for everybody...naturally.

The psychedelic I mentioned is also produced in the brain, just FYI. 

People have differing realities, and because of that, knowing isn't the same for everybody.

Anyway, you're trying to ask a rhetorical question. I'm merely showing you that you don't necessarily know all the answers which you may receive.

Let's start here...

What is to "know", according to you?

"What is to "know", according to you?"

Well, let's ask a Christian that question...….because only they can answer my question about "knowing"...….since all others who don't "know" must be non believers to some degree.

I will explain in some detail what I mean...…...so try and comprehend what I am saying Plum.... or try and "clock" it yourself

At some point in their life, the Christian will absolutely "know" that God spoke to them, at some given point...…....correct?

I am talking about people who, due to some inexplicable event happening...... or some voice that they heard...... moved them in the direction of changing beliefs...…in to now believing that there is in fact defintely a God.

How did they "know" that that was the life changing event that they needed and that it was definitely the voice of God, that spoke to them at that point?

How did they know, with complete certainty......that this was the exact time in their life, that they needed to accept Jesus into their lives?

No more drug references...…. no more chemical brain discussions...….. no more metaphysical scenarios...……..or universal or evolutionary debates......…..no more love your children examples...….. no more spiritual, esoteric, energetic discussions...….. that is a very simple and basic straight forward question...…. so stop doing your very best to confuse this very simple question...…

You either believe you heard a voice...… or you didn't..... not so?

Yes or No?

You were either imagining it, because you want to really believe it so much......or it really happened to you, and millions of others as well...… so either God really really did chat to you...… or he didn't...… simple...….

If this continues in the same vain, then correct Plum, I aint going to "clock" it...… but not surprisingly, as I have seen already...… I won't be the only one...……….. you see...…….. the main differences between our discussions here, is that you are trying to continually "prove" various "facts"  to me, basically stating that you are 100% correct...…. when I am merely asking questions and for more details.....

DumbAss ... your questions have been answered several times over.

Problem is ... you didn't like the answer ... and so you did what you usually do ... you ask the same question ... again.

Are you waiting for a different response ... something a little more suitable to your theory? ... oh wait ... you don't have a theory ... you don't really have any thoughts of your own, do you? Your one and only thought is ... "there is no God".

It's like giving you a maths problem to solve. Sadly the teacher's answer isn't what you had hoped for ... it's totally different to yours ... so you ask the same question again ... and again ... seriously expecting her to adjust her response to something more suitable.

It's not a lack of understanding. DumbAss ... there is in fact a name for your condition ... it's called ... brace yourself ... stupidity.

Ever heard of the phrase .. "the height of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting a different result"?

Huh? Well that's you in a nutshell, DumbAss.

You are the epitome of stupidity ... and beyond any help.

Plum is rather descriptive ... and even his best shot was lost on you. Like me, he too can't dumb it down any further than he already has.

Sorry ... but it seems that whatever you poisoned yourself with has taken it's toll.

Live with it.

You are indeed a Dumb Ass.

Meet anyone new today CC?

We both know that ego of yours needs to be stroked every single day...….

Crush any innocent hands today... big boy.....maybe some kids as well?

Come on ……. show them how strong the old toppie is...…… the strong uncle... hahahaha

You very insecure little man...………lol...… you are too funny...… I can't believe that you actually do that on purpose to people..... to prove something to yourself...…. to prove that you are better than someone else...…. what a weak.... insecure and low class little man you are.....you must also realise that.....

You do realise as well that it is a bully mentality...……it's "fun" to hurt others

It describes you to a tee CC...…….. the very insecure little boy...…. who grew up tp become a very insecure little man...….

Clearly you were bullied as a little boy...… probably when daddy left you.........and now it all adds up...… the anger..... the hatred 

We only see now that Daddy leaving you at such a young age..... certainly had a huge impact on you...... "big guy"

Strong in hands...… weak in morals, integrity..... and humanity

I wish you well.... strong one...….

LMFAO

Ok, so first this...

"Well, let's ask a Christian that question...….because only they can answer my question about "knowing"

Then this...

"No more drug references...…. no more chemical brain discussions...….. no more metaphysical scenarios...……..or universal or evolutionary debates......…..no more love your children examples...….. no more spiritual, esoteric, energetic discussions..."

So you want Christians to answer a question about God without referring to the metaphysical.

You also refuse to discuss what chemical conditions give rise to understanding and believing the world around you.

You're seemingly having to narrow the question down to the point where none of the underpinning fundamentals like reality and the concept of "knowing" are even up for discussion. 

Then this...

the main differences between our discussions here, is that you are trying to continually "prove" various "facts" to me, basically stating that you are 100% correct...…. when I am merely asking questions and for more details.....

What I did here was to widen the question...by offering more details. You'll have to provide evidence of where I said I know the answer and here it is. 

But, ok let's play your game.

"You either believe you heard a voice...… or you didn't..... not so?"

John "knows" because he had a near death experience and saw white light with angels and bearded being in a robe that said "It's not your time yet." Moments later John woke up and the doctor maintains that John should have died that day.

Mark "knows" because as he sat a dinner, the rice on his plate moved and formed thea words "I am God. Jesus is my son. The only way to heaven is through me."

David "knows" because as he looked in the mirror one day, his reflection became that of a man on a cross. As he stood there in amazement a voice in his head said, "I gave my only son so that you may be forgiven."

All three of them believe it was God that caused these events to occur.

Would that be sufficient evidence as to how they came to know/believe?

So lets fast forward to your rebuttal. There obviously is one, right?

I mean, unless you would accept these testimonies as objective fact and in so doing concede that God does exist.

I'll wait patiently...

John "knows" because he had a near death experience and saw white light with angels and bearded being in a robe that said "It's not your time yet." Moments later John woke up and the doctor maintains that John should have died that day.

Mark "knows" because as he sat a dinner, the rice on his plate moved and formed thea words "I am God. Jesus is my son. The only way to heaven is through me."

David "knows" because as he looked in the mirror one day, his reflection became that of a man on a cross. As he stood there in amazement a voice in his head said, "I gave my only son so that you may be forgiven

Actually Plum, I am quite glad that you used these various scenarios...…

If people were more direct and honest about how it did come about, for them personally, I  would definitely be more receptive and open to everything surrounding the entire topic..............just not the usual cliché everyday bullshit of...…..."you have to want him to come to you, for you to hear him and accept him into your heart...…..…. or like Beeno ….repeating ad nauseum about what a person needs to do, to get into heaven...… and being a pervert or supporting abortion... is a very big no no

You see Plum...….If a person wanted to really hear or see God..... how would any person even know that their "want" or "desire" or "belief"  to hear or see God, is actually strong enough for him to even consider coming to see them or speak to them.....?

Should God just tell them..... hey guy..... another 15% more trust and belief and I'm there...…

How would or could any person know that their trust and belief has now just crossed over the benchmark...... to get God's attention?

"I mean, unless you would accept these testimonies as objectivefact and in so doing concede that God does exist.

I never said I would accept anything as objective fact.....stop twisting words again Plum......I wanted to know how people knew that God had spoken to them..... nothing more.... nothing less...… bloody simple Plum...…..there you go again...…….stop confusing the issue yet again.....

"You'll have to provide evidence of where I said I know the answer and here it is"

I never said that you said you knew what the answer was...… stop twisting words again Plum.....I very clearly said that you are trying to continually "prove" various "facts" to me and everyone else here..... just like below....and sheeeesh Plum, there are a lot...…. but again...… I did say that you were a Cleva guy

"That deep love that you feel. It's not love at all"

Mmmmmmmm ok...….. and this is fact?

"Your sense of connection is fake and the nature of your purpose is nothing but the result of a mixture of chemicals"

Ok, is this your scientific fact?

"In reality, you are no different to a long time junkie"

Lol...… no comment.... it doesn't deserve one..... sheeesh Plum...this is from a cleva guy like you

"Your entire life has been devoted to a chemical equation that you have been able to do naught about but balance"

Your scientific facts are astounding Plum

"Your love for them is rooted in a handfull of chemicals"

Fucking awesome chemicals.....…..lol

"What sad little creatures. "Feeling so deeply and loving so unconditionally". Do you actually think that it is love you feel?"

Yep..... quite sure...… in fact I am fucking sure.....but to be fair....let's chat again Plum, when you have a child of your own

"Remove your little chemical reward and what's left. I'll tell you. Nothing"

Lol ok......but to be fair....let's chat again Plum, when you have a child of your own

"Well, you can't prove it and since you can't... you are nothing and your children aren't much more"

Lmao ok......but to be fair....let's chat again Plum, when you have a child of your own

"Then accept that your life is just as meaningless and pathetic as theirs no doubt will turn out be"

Lmfao ok......but to be fair....let's chat again Plum, when you have a child of your own

"You've wasted your time on earth by giving in to a chemical drive and then wallowing in addiction from that day on."

Lol..... more drug references

"What I am saying is that you are monkey, jumping through hoops to feel good"

Lol...… no comment.... it doesn't deserve one..... sheeesh Plum...this is from a cleva guy like you

"And even the strongest emotion you feel, is nothing but an illusion, existing only in your mind and nowhere else"

This is incredibly deep Plum...….. for a guy who has never had children of his own, this is insightful..... thoughtful and downright eye opening..... impressive

"Well, between a dog and person, the only difference is a slightly more complicated operating system"

What dog did you speak to?..... I need to chat to him

What i'm saying is, love does not originate purely as the selfless, spontaneous and personal result of experience"

I fully agree..... Coffee, Beer and Biltong are not selfless or spontaneous...… but I do still love them all

"The fact is, the love for your children is just like a cat's love of chasing things..."

Another fact from professor Plum.....

Lmfao ok......but to be fair....let's chat again Plum, when you have a child of your own

"Religious people don't subscribe to evolution, mostly. They derive love from the metaphysical"

Oki doki

"So lets fast forward to your rebuttal. There obviously is one, right?

I mean, unless you would accept these testimonies as objective fact and in so doing concede that God does exist. "

Note how you left out the important bit. The bit where I am asking you to get to the point. That being your obvious and impending rebuttal to their testimony. And you DO have to choose. Either believe them objectively or attribute it to brain chemistry + environment.

Is there another option? If so, then say what it is. Honestly, I cant think of one.

Plum

If all those "facts" that you presented to me, and everyone else on this forum, are what you are basing your argument on, then I don't see the point in debating it any further...…

I mean...… you want to tell everyone here, for a fact, that the love for your children......is like a cat chasing something...… you stated it as a fact.... and you know this how....

Sure, you can guess it...… use it as an example...… but as a fact...…. LMAO....

All those highlighted "facts" of yours....that I posted above, completely dilute your debating skills Plum

I have more than entertained the topic...… especially after such a stupid comment like the monkey, but after I have very clearly highlighted all your other "facts"..... on this topic..... I think we both know whose "facts" are in question here.....

You are surmising

You are thumb sucking

You are letting your mind wonder...… great

You are also making shit up...…

It all comes together in that one post I made for you...… it really is what it is....

You compare humans to dogs..... but have absolutely zero clue how a dog lives.....

You compare parents and their kids, without having any of your own...…

You tried twisting words in two separate paragraphs above... against me, just in that last post of yours alone Plum..... and you know it...… that's why I pointed it out to you, with no comment coming back from you......and that is a very weak move Plum..... and it gives your game away immediately, when you attempt shit like that..... .and then I lose all interest.....

I thought you were this great debater

Nah...… I'll skip the rest...……

A good or great  debater does not need to start resorting to those tactics to try and get his message across....

DA, you must excuse me as I'm likely biased. However, this is what I see...

I made a self-confessed cruel argument that took emotional liberties. It says so, right there and it's point is that it's throwing up an argument for people to break down or disprove. It was intentionally harsh and insulting. The subtlety of the challenge in the post was being able to overlook your own emotional biases, hence the intentional offensive tone, and argue the point.

Nothing was presented as fact. This can be deducted from the word "argument", in the very first line of this post..."Don't take this seriously. It's just a cruel argument."

For somebody that has chosen Devil's Advocate as their nick, you don't seem to be able to understand the concept very well. just saying.

Anyway, perhaps you need to read this again because I'm actually asking you for information. Yet you're using it to say that I'm presenting you with bogus facts?

"Note how you left out the important bit. The bit where I am asking you to get to the point. That being your obvious and impending rebuttal to their testimony. And you DO have to choose. Either believe them objectively or attribute it to brain chemistry + environment.

Is there another option? If so, then say what it is. Honestly, I can't think of one."

So, what do i see? 

I see you back-peddling out this. You hit the breaks a few posts ago because you could see your bus was gonna crash and this(below) is you pulling the rip-cord. That's when you needed to bring back lines from earlier posts in the thread and make an attack on a bunch of points unrelated to where the discussion is now. The discussion around a question that YOU asked. Like I said, back-peddling.

"If all those "facts" that you presented to me, and everyone else on this forum, are what you are basing your argument on, then I don't see the point in debating it any further...…"

Problem is, I think, no offence, but some of this flies directly over your head...And here is a good example.

John - Knows by an alternate reality - Place/energy encountered while unconscious/dreaming, etc

Mark - Mirror presents a vision of a second reality inside his base reality.

David - Knows through alteration of physical objects in only his base reality.

Admit it, you had no clue about what was built into those testimonies. 

In each instance the individual could claim, knowing is a result of experience. 

You obviously disagree. You feel they can't know. You have to choose man, you either believe them or you don't. Even if you believe that they believe it's true due to, for example, being insane, they ultimately fall into the "Bull Shit" category. You can only believe that what they are saying is objectively true, if your yourself believe it to be objectively true. That's what objectively true means. And for their testimony to be objectively true, God must exist.

You ultimately believe them or you don't. God/s exist or they don't.

So, one more time...

"Is there another option? If so, then say what it is. Honestly, I can't think of one."

 Are you ready to tell me why you believe their testimony to be objectively untrue?

See, why I wanted to fast forward? Why I said, your argument boils down to whether God exists or not?

With me now?

"For somebody that has chosen Devil's Advocate as their nick, you don't seem to be able to understand the concept very well. just saying."

LMFAO.....really..... ok......because you see Plum......below.... is precisely when I stopped reading your very last post, because I am not a big fan of liars

You say....

"Nothing was presented as fact"

However...… back at the ranch...….

The fact is, the love for your children is just like a cat's love of chasing things

Or how about this one....

I'm saying that as a non-believer, or atheist, your affection is a direct result of evolution and largely predicable in terms of relatedness. This is a fact, it's been shown over and over in countless species, including humans

More lies..... more bullshit...… more denials ….....fuck it man...… just own it and admit that you got this one wrong..... because now you are just digging a very deep hole..... those are YOUR facts Plum...…. get it?

For somebody who has stated that he is a great debater, or loves great debates.......… you certainly do try your very best to be deceitful or untruthful.... to try and win some random internet debate.... "just saying"

I actually thoroughly enjoy your posts Plum.... they genuinely make me think of the other alternatives to my own thoughts or opinions..... but you fucking dropped the ball here big time..... but you refuse to admit it...…

No probs,...….. water off a ducks back..... I'm done...…. as I said...… I am not a big fan of liars

Ok ... see ya!!!

Hey there big boy...…..

LMFAO …….

Boy.... that is still so fucking funny

Your ego must be so small and so bloody fragile...… and you must be so incredibly insecure of yourself.........to get fun out of crunching the hands of complete strangers...…

What a big tough... little man.... you really are

ROTFLMFAO

Hey CC

"Fist Bump"

LMFAO

Too funny...…..fucking funny

That's your out is it, DA?

Literally the most technicality of all technicalities?

Lol, yes, such a liar I am.

Keep yanking that rip-cord man.

Looks like somebody cares more than she'll admit.

Welcome back Cloudy 

Cloudy, DA wants to know if God spoke to you.

We've been discussing the potential answer for some time now.

Ooooooooooooooooops!

LMAO

Ja Plum...…… whatever dude...….

Caught with your pants down hey...….. a bit of a wake up call  for you

And you still try and pretend that nothing from you was presented as "fact"...… when it stares back at you on this thread...…... right between the eyes.....

Lies, Bullshit and Denials...… that's your technicality...….

LMFAO

Too funny bro...……. a good or great debater you are not...…. because good or great debaters do not resort to lies or bullshit..... to win some debate

Cloudy..... you are so right

I have watched for a while, and I am well aware of the behaviour of certain posters on here, so thank you for reaffirming that for me...…..

I find it all so hilarious..... I genuinely do...….

Watching someone try and twist and turn a discussion by posting complete and utter bullshit is really quite entertaining.... especially when they can see themselves losing some debate or discussion, so they start resorting to being dishonest or deceitful.....

You see.... their ego kicks in...… they honestly cannot help themselves...…..because they now realise……. oh shit...… I told everyone here that I really enjoy debating......, but dammit...…. I am losing this debate / discussion here...…. so let's just flood this debate with all types of scientific names and hypothetical personal facts and hope that he doesn't see through all the shit...…… then when "personal facts" are rejected and opposed or challenged...……. completely deny the fact that you posted any "facts" at all...……., yet those same "facts" are right there for everyone to see...…

Fucking hilarious......

Cloudy, I really hope everything is going well with your dad...…...enjoy your time with him

Lol DA

The board's resident genius who says 8% of atheists believe in the possibility of God...is telling you that you got this. 

Yeah, guy. 

I was directly addressing your question but it got a bit hot for you. 

To quote Socrates...

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

Now who does that sound like?

"I was directly addressing your question but it got a bit hot for you." 

LOL, is that what you call it...…… LMFAO

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

Now who does that sound like?

That sounds like and looks exactly like...…... the Plum that I saw, who was absolutely  disgusting towards Cloudy not that long ago...….

Short term memory Plum?

Too fucking funny Plum...……... the way that you just quoted Socrates...…. to precisely describe yourself...…

Just like this thread and you denying your "personal facts"...… it is very clear that your memory is VERY selective...…

Now I see where all  the bullshit, denials and dishonesty stems from...…

LMFAO

Well, DA

If you are "winning", like that's the purpose of this...then go ahead, address the point.

Should be easy right?

My, guess, you won't go near it. A million miles is too close.

You got your out and your gonna cling to it for dear life.

PS look up on this thread and see just how "disgusting" you were, many many times to those that didn't agree with you. 

CC mentioned something which he believed and which was very personal and moving to him, and you shat all over it...finishing off with insults. All this without any evidence. All this because you hold your perceived truth in the highest regard.

Still, none of that matters in the context of your argument. Hence my ignoring it, as I always do, with everyone. It says something about you as a person but says sweet fuck all about your argument.

So, let's not devolve this. 

Let's answer the question you asked. Which is why I'm still here. 

I don't give a fuck about name calling BS. It's stupid. We all know that most of us would get on very well if were in a pub. Why pretend to be mortal enemies? It really, really is stupid. 

Let's get back to answering your question?

That's the point of this. Getting somewhere, thinking something new, widening one's perspective...isn't it?

Hey Plum

"CC mentioned something which he believed and which was very personal and moving to him, and you shat all over it...finishing off with insults. All this without any evidence. All this because you hold your perceived truth in the highest regard."

And you really want to put this in your post...…. to substantiate this fucking moron, after what I just posted from you.... to him

ROTFLMFAO

You are a joke Plum

"CC mentioned something which he believed and which was very personal and moving to him, and you shat all over it...finishing off with insults. All this without any evidence. All this because you hold your perceived truth in the highest regard."

As a last response to this

The moron you speak of, has deliberately requested very personal information from posters, over a long period time...….. to portray this image of wanting to get to know that poster better...…. he deliberately probes for this personal information...… and most posters have provided it.....

Yet..... all he has ever done, is use that personal information, and twist it, into some derogatory fucked up lie, to make his own story sound good or plausible...….. you should know Plum...… you had first hand experience with this...…… in fact...…..you had a front row fucking seat...….

And now you get pissed at me for firing straight back...… fuck off man...… look what he did first before even trying to defend him or getting all righteous about what I replied.

Fuck me man...…. I gave you waaay too much credit..... I genuinely did Plum...…..but no worries..... I now see where you are with this whole scenario.....

"The kind of respect you have is for someone that thinks you’re a disgusting pig who delves into obscene sexual practises behind closed doors"

Absolutely spot on Cloudy

I unfortunately didn't know about all of that, until I went to that thread earlier today...…. hence why I said earlier...…. I gave Plum waaay too much credit

I had seen it being mentioned or referred to. at some point on here, but I didn't know exactly what had been said or what happened between who

Also, the comment he made to you about "fasting, and then maybe you will find a man"

Also, his comment about there not being enough cotton or wool... .can't remember exactly..

Very classy indeed Plum... what was that you said...just moments earlier... about Socrates......?

Talking about being a fucking hypocrite of note...…...

Cloudy, I did genuinely appreciate Plum's opinion on quite a few issues.....but that has since changed......……..and that doesn't bother me at all, and I know Plum won't give a shit either...... so all is good with the world

We live and we learn.....

"DA....thank you I appreciate your best wishes. I had a great day with my dad"

Awesome n ews Cloudy..... chuffed for you

Cloudy, I'll summarise.

There is no common ground between us worth pursuing. 

DA

"CC mentioned something which he believed and which was very personal and moving to him, and you shat all over it...finishing off with insults. All this without any evidence. All this because you hold your perceived truth in the highest regard.

Still, none of that matters in the context of your argument. Hence my ignoring it..."

From this you get...

"And now you get pissed at me for firing straight back...… fuck off man...… look what he did first before even trying to defend him or getting all righteous about what I replied."

One party appears to be narrowing down the argument to the question that YOU asked, while the other is drawing it to wider avenues of no pertinence.

The same party seeking to irrelevantly widen the argument makes use of said non-pertinent ideas to vacate the subject and ultimately the discussion altogether. 

This after...

"Let's get back to answering your question?

That's the point of this. Getting somewhere, thinking something new, widening one's perspective...isn't it?"

So run if you want, man. Just know that it's not me you' re running from

"One party appears to be narrowing down the argument to the question that YOU asked, while the other is drawing it to wider avenues of no pertinence."

So I must just sit back and let you try your utmost to post bullshit and lies about everything and then try and deny it?

What a joke..

The very real issue here, and you certainly know it...… you just want to avoid it...... is that you have tried various ways, in various different attempts...... to try and side track the entire thread...… only to be shown up for the very real liar and bullshitter that you are....

Try again.... I really don't care Plum..... you have been very clearly shown up as being a very dishonest chap...… your ego took a hit...…… shame man...….and now you accuse me of widening the avenues because I am pointing out your very blatant lies and bullshit...…

Bollocks to you then...…. I didn't think you would stoop so fucking low...….

Clouds 

Seems a bit late for you to admit that we were secretly emailing.

You blowing my cover here. I left it with the board thinking that I'd made it all up...why would you wanna change that? Dang, I even apologised to solidify the rouse. 

. 

.

Yeah Cloudy

If it wasn't so incredibly sad, the way Plum is carrying on..... it would be absolutely hilarious....

Here..... we have Plum..... feigning offense for something I said to CC...… when Plum himself has said the following recently...………. directly to CC

"Big bunch of Poes"

"Acting like bollocks"

"Drown in the bottom of a bucket"

"Drowning in it's own piss"

"Small scared little creature"

All those insults directed to CC..... were just in one post alone 

BECAUSE YOU ARE A RAGING HOMOSEXUAL"

or

"I'm fine with it if your like boys."

"It's your life"

or

"Now, if us, as people that only know you on here can see right through you...imagine how long your colleagues, family and friends have known"

or

"Yes, mate, they know that pink shirt you wear sometimes isn't being worn ironically. They notice how you are extra perky on those days.

Again, and for the last time, get some capital P in ya and leave hetero people alone.

Ok...Sheila?"

So...… lets get this right Plum...… because I really want to make sure this is made quite clear....

You are very upset about something I said to CC earlier...….. telling me that I "shat all over it" but this is what you have recently posted directly to CC...… the very same poster....

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Do as I say..... just not what I do? 

What a complete and utter lying hypocrite you really are...…..

LMFAO...…… what a fucking joke

I no longer take you seriously in any capacity at all Plum...…

I am glad this all happened...… you have been very clearly shown up to be the liar that you are..... and a flouncing hypocrite to boot.

I told you already...… good or great debaters don't need to be dishonest or deceitful to prove their respective points...… but your ego just constantly gets you in trouble....doesn't it......you know it and I know it.

You ego is so big....and you are so sensitive and insecure with yourself, that you were even willing to post a R10 000 reward for anyone who could prove what CC was saying about you was true...……

Why would anyone do that?

Because their ego gets the better of them, that's why...… you know it...… and everyone on this board knows it, the y just won't tell you...… you want to post a R10 000 reward for something some very random internet persona said about you.....?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Good luck Plum..... say I am running away...… call it whatever the fuck you want to..... I stuck around long enough to try and debate this topic with you specifically...… but all your constant lies..... bullshit......and hypocrisy got in the way...…...so if this is a win to you...… well done buddy

and wider and wider still...wait, i think we can widen it a touch more...

"One party appears to be narrowing down the argument to the question that YOU asked, while the other is drawing it to wider avenues of no pertinence."

So I must just sit back and let you try your utmost to post bullshit and lies about everything and then try and deny it?

What a joke..

The very real issue here, and you certainly know it...… you just want to avoid it...... is that you have tried various ways, in various different attempts...... to try and side track the entire thread...… only to be shown up for the very real liar and bullshitter that you are....

Try again.... I really don't care Plum..... you have been very clearly shown up as being a very dishonest chap...… your ego took a hit...…… shame man...….and now you accuse me of widening the avenues because I am pointing out your very blatant lies and bullshit...…

Bollocks to you then...…. I didn't think you would stoop so fucking low...…."

In summary..."to try and side track the entire thread"

Looks for all the world as though you're trying everything to side-track the thread yourself. Appealing to emotion, dishonesty, vagueness and...

Seems like you're even attempting to drag it to an emotional battle of whom is the worst person, etc.

Question is, why?

And I think I might have the answer.

You are accustomed to chucking that very tired question out there and because nobody can prove it, either way, the one that posed the questions appears to come out the winner.

But, I looked critically at the question you asked and it took you all of five minutes to crack. 

I even attempted to fast forward past the obvious testimony leading to your rebuttal and asked you for your rebuttal. 

Why?

Well because you're not used to someone that is able to rationally push back on what you thought was infallibly rhetorical. 

Honestly, I think I caught you by surprise. 

But still, I'd like to get back to your question and discussing it, because it's interesting, however tired. 

Tell you what. Go scream at the waves or fields a bit and then come back when you're ready.

I'll be here, to discuss, what YOU asked 

Clouds...

Just so we're on the same page...are you o r are you not going to continue emailing me?

This is all very confusing.

"DA....he will apologise soon and say he made it all up. Very manipulative. Like he said, it’s all a ruse just to prove a rather pointless point."

Thanks Cloudy...… the thing is though..... I genuinely and honestly don't care....

I certainly wouldn't care enough to post a R10 000 reward because of some completely random strange internet alias...... posting something about me on some random internet forum

Do you realise how big of an ego you must have, to want to try so very hard.....and prove something about yourself, that somebody else has just invented about you...… to post a real R10 000 reward....

It also shows one major ……. MAJOR..... insecurity, that you have to clear your name to a forum of people...……..about anal sex with your girlfriend

It is absolutely hilarious...……. it genuinely is..... but it is also incredibly sad indeed

I have seen a different Plum, and it's good that it came about now.

Let it all out, DA.

I had spats with WD too. Cumon, give us a re-run, with commentary, please

Man, those(above) disses are classics. 

 "the thing is though..... I genuinely and honestly don't care.."

Unfortunately, your manic use of full-stops betrays you.

...in more ways than one, actually.